Do we want a "fighter" who does most of her "fighting" attacking a fellow Dem...

[stevietheman]

in a mean-spirited fashion, like with the "Xerox", "pillow" and "Shame on you!" attacks?

If she used a quarter of this hyperbole to go after McCain and the Republicans, she would probably be leading in delegates today.

I want a fighter who fights the rotten reich wing, not one who fights somebody who mostly agrees with her!

[Pryderi]

1. I want a winner...like Obama.

[Lerkfish]

2. I think that's a fault of the primary process, HOWEVER

I agree I would have liked to have seen Clinton AND Obama fighting the bush administration as fervently as they tangled with each other, that's a fact.

[robbedvoter]

3. When the "fellow dem" is backed by bushie donors, bushie MSM and bushie voters, one needs

to fight

[stevietheman]

4. yeah, because we certainly don't want a GE candidate with broad-based support.

:eyes:

[robbedvoter]

9. Oh, yeah, cuz the bushies really support BO, and will in GE!

:eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. Silly.

[robbedvoter]

12. and sillierer

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Is this really the debate you want to be having?

[robbedvoter]

18. I didn't started it but i can continue it (Murdoch's tactic - putting unflattering

photos of her on the cover of the NY Post didn't lead to her losing the senate in 2000 - he was so disappointed, gave the paper to his son. Happy to see you guys are carrying the torch - my point was Murdoch endorsed Obama, attacks Hillary non-stop

[Just-plain-Kathy]

23. But didn't Murdoch hold a fund raiser for Hillary?

I think Murdoch knows that voters are getting smarter. Murchoch is seen in the same light as RWer's idol Rove. Seeing a headline on a Murdoch "news" paper endorsing Obama, makes Obama look as if he's running in the same circle as the thieves we have in the White House.

We have to look at the kind of "news" stories Murdoch's papers run using our trusted and esteemed AP as their source. ...I nearly stopped my subscription to the Times Herald-Record because they ran a “news” story about a poll naming Bush the “most trusted man” and Hillary “the most trusted woman”.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. And silliest.

But in her most recent filing at the FEC, Hillary Clinton reported two large donations from the very top of the Fox corporate structure.

On June 5, Rupert Murdoch, chairman of the News Corporation, gave her presidential bid $2,300. A few weeks later, his son, James R. Murdoch, chief executive of British Sky Broadcasting in London, gave $3,400. Altogether, NewsCorp/Fox executives gave at least $40,000 to the Clinton campaign.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/07/16/hillary-clinton-shuns-fox_n_56495.html

[Tarc]

6. Yes.

[From The Left]

7. Hillary Is a Terrible Candidate

She needs an exit strategy

[BenDavid]

8. You damn right I want a fighter. I want a fighter that will tell the

truth about obama and the sham he is trying to pull over the voters. HRC makes it clear that obama is an empty suit when he, obama tries to talk about his policies. HRC runs circles around obama but leave it to the whoremedia to lean obama up and go negative with their stories.

The biggest sham I thought performed by the whoremedia on the american people was george w bush in 2000, but I was wrong. It is obama and the election of 2008.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

24. What are you smoking? You think the media is treating Obama the same way they did Bush?

In 2000 and 2004 we heard nothing but praise for Bush, a chip off the old block. With Obama, there's a different story everyday. Whether he's wearing Muslim clothes or "plagiarizing", the media has ran with every story the RW (or Hillary’s team) hands them.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. Hillary's problem: She's a fighter see link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4795065&mesg_id=4796599

[beachmom]

11. Exactly. Where was "Hillary the fighter" in the last 7 years when Bush

was wrecking the country?

[Whisp]

13. if only she used that kind of fight against bush...

I find it very suspicious that she reserves this kind of behaviour toward a fellow democrat and on the other hand, kisses bush ass.

feh.

[rinsd]

14. I love revisionist history.

Hillary was focusing on Republicans and Bush for much of 2007 while the other candidates took shots at her.

She brings up the administration in nearly every speech she makes and has done so in most debates (I did not see last night's yet).

[Medusa]

30. 2007. And that would be the problem.

In 2007 all of a sudden, she "found her voice". And why? Because she was launching her presidential campaign. Prior to that she was as quiet as a mouse regarding any number of outrages committed on this country by the Bush junta. If her idea of fighting is keeping her damned mouth shut until it's politically expedient for her to do so, I don't want her as my president or as a representative for my party.

And this whole "she's a fighter meme" that's been circulating? I call Bullshit. She's a fighter all right but she fights with her own party, and anyone she thinks isn't 100% loyal to her. Witness "Hillaryland" where her own employees are afraid to tell her the cold hard facts about the mismanagement of her campaign and the state of her financial affairs. Witness a candidate who has no back-up plans in case when the world doesn't turn their way. That's just what we need. Another candidate who lives in a bubble. Just what this country needs. :sarcasm:

[mtnsnake]

15. I take it that this is the first Primary race you've ever seen?

If you can't handle any in-fighting over someone who stands up for herself, then you should take a long vacation from politics once the general election begins.

[stevietheman]

22. It's the first one I've seen in my 41 years that has gotten so personal, vitriolic and nasty...

mainly coming from one candidate.

[leftynyc]

27. Maybe you're too young

to remember 1980 when Ted Kennedy stayed in the primary race AGAINST AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT until June. That was pretty ugly also.

[Omega3]

16. typical Obamabot, somebody says an ounce of negativity against the annointed one and you all cry

she's used her hyperbole to go after/against the Gop hate machine for DECADES and will continue to do so, that's why the right hates her so much. she is a fighter and will continue, unlike Barrack "bipartisian, reach across the aisle, bring everyone to the table" Obama.

[stevietheman]

20. Not true. I would hope she would criticize her Democratic opponents...

including Obama, in a respectful manner. But she isn't.

[Steve-O]

19. He called her Bush/Cheney Lite, he's no angel, oops blasphemy!

[stevietheman]

21. But that is a reasonable thing to say, given her vote on IWR. n/t

n/t

[eridani]

25. That's pretty tame stuff

Going after Kerry for that joke was pretty slimy, though.

[Vinca]

26. It's as if Plan B for Hillary is working for the McCain campaign.

She's lost sight of the end game in her quest for power.

[Eurobabe]

28. Everyone's a Winner Baby (with Obama)

Hillary is the old way of politicking. :hi:

[jasmine621]

29. Hillary is a great person, competent, courageous, compassionate, passionat, tough...ask the people

who REALLY know her. The Clintons' main crime, and hence all the hate generated since Bill first won, has come because they upset the plans of the neocon cabal early on and interrupted their smooth and quick takeover of the PNAC plan. They were the outsiders and Bill would not play ball by buying into the PNAC agenda. Thus the propaganda, investigations, smearing, and brainwashing of the public was carried out with expert handling. With the media firmly in control and corporations and government squarely infiltrated, the rest was easy history to make. Yes, Bill Clinton brought a lot of the stuff on himself, but really folks, few Presidents have ever been hated for carrying on adulterous affairs inside the WH. There was a time when the powers would not even allow anyone to mention those affairs. Johnson even joked one time that he had had more affairs than JFK. And we can even go back to FDR who practically died in his mistress's arms and Ike whose paramour traveled with him as some kind of military assistant. No, it was never about the sex. It has always been about the Clintons' invasion of the DC scene...without permission of the powers (thanks to the third party Perot candidacy). Sorta of an "audacity of skill" on the part of the Clintons. So do not continue to be misled and brainwashed about the Clintons. They were never the standardbearers of the Dems, Bill was 1990's candidate of "hope" "the future"...just not the ones the insiders selected.

[Medusa]

31. The people who really know her are endorsing Obama.

Look at the Senate, her co-workers. They know her well. And who are they supporting? NOT Hillary.