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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:23 PM
Original message
"We should continue to strike Al Qaeda targets" sounds warlike..
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 07:29 PM by Oleladylib
Which way does Obama lean in this regard...Why are we getting mixed messages so early in this contest with McCain?...This is NOT good.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:24 PM
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1. Al Qada
were the ones behind 911. Sure as hell we should bomb them. A lot better than bombing places that did not attack us. (like McCain wants to do)
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:25 PM
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3. You Mean CIA was behind 9/11
:hi:
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:36 PM
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14. NO we should not go into
sovereign nations without permission at the minimum. For gods sake have you people forgot BUSH! What in the frigging hell are people doing defending that hawk response from either of them?
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:38 PM
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16. THANK YOU...He's setting himself up
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:47 PM
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23. Are you saying
we shouldn't go after the people behind 911?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:55 AM
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31. If i wanted to say that i would have said it. I did not. Stop trying to
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 08:03 AM by LibFromWV
make it look like i don't want the people responsible for that, captured, tried and if guilty convicted. YOu do not INVADE another country to achieve that. COWBOY DIPLOMACY DOES NOT WORK
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:05 AM
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33. So we shouldn't have gone
after the Taliban in Afghanistan unless we got their permission?
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:25 AM
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39. Nope. It should have been a declaration of war
made BY CONGRESS not some bozo that was going to fuck it up. We went in illegally according to OUR constitution. War's are declared by congress not an idiot.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:16 AM
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40. I'll agree on that point
But it sounded like you wanted to get permission from the government of Afghanistan and that's what confused me.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:24 PM
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2. Should we not strike al-Qaeda targets?
We should just let terrorist train and attack us? Can you explain, please?

Thanks.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:39 PM
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19. Everyone has crucified GW and yet, it is said here we should attack, attack..
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:45 PM
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22. Bill Clinton sent cruise missiles against Bin Laden.
This isn't anything new for the Dems.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:48 PM
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25. I think a full scale invasion or Iraq
is different than sending in operatives to take care of a limited situation. We can't knowingly let terrorists operate in the open.

I supported military action against the Taliban in Afghanistan after 9/11.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:02 AM
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32. Iraq was not Al Qaeda
There were no Al Qaeda in Iraq whenBush waged war on that country. Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan. Iraq did not attack us on 9-11. bin Laden and Al Qaeda attacked us. Al Qaeda is still a legitimate threat. Thanks to GW, Al Qaeda now in Iraq and stronger the world over.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:07 AM
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34. Please link me to one post
where people say it was okay to attack Iraq. Just one. You're being deliberatly disengenuous.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:19 AM
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44. Yeah. Because he attacked Iraq, and not al-Qaeda. Democrats are not pro-Qaeda.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:25 PM
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4. It's not mixed messages, he's given the same message, that we should strike against terrorists
the whole time. As has Clinton and every other Democratic candidate(or if they have not said it, they at least hold that opinion)
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:25 PM
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5. Find me a candidate that would disagree with that statement. n/t
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:25 PM
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6. Obama wants to focus on going after terrorists
Instead of fighting unjust wars
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:25 PM
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7. don't be ridiculous.
Or go ahead and be ridiculous. What the fuck do you think Hill's position on Al-Qaeda is? Obama's response to McCain was pitch perfect. You are full of it.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:30 PM
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11. I sure am glad that DU has lined up correctly against this post
I was worried for a minute that people were going to start saying that we should be anti-war to the point where we can't even defend ourselves.

I'm going to keep checking back with this OP to make sure I don't eat my words.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:38 PM
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15. so what is different about what he says and what we've been doing?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:52 PM
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30. It's totally different.
Bin Laden skipped over the border from Afghanistan to Pakistan. At which point Bush forgot about him and decided to invade Iraq instead, a country which had nothing to with 9/11 and which was a secular (i.e. NON-religious) country.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:26 PM
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8. Hell yes we should strike al qaeda targets!
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 07:26 PM by tabasco
That does not mean invading countries that were not a threat.

Obama has said that Iraq has taken us off the hunt for al qaeda.

BTW - that's what General Clark says too.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:26 PM
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9. I think you should ask Hillary to say she won't. That'll be fun to watch.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:28 PM
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10. Maybe striking the right targets for a change..........
unlike the dumbass in the White House.
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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:31 PM
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12. I think he favors a return to the Powell Doctrine
Of striking decisively, with clear objectives and a timeline for getting in and getting out. This was accepted military doctrine until the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight decided to readopt the same stupid strategy that led to so many unnecessary deaths in Vietnam.

I agree with him 100%. We should withdraw from Iraq, focus our efforts on bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice and wiping out the Al-Qaeda remnants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and then withdraw from Afghanistan too. It's what should have been done six years ago.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:52 PM
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29. Please stop calling it the Powell doctrine.
That has been US military strategy since the Civil War and is known as Grantian doctrine.

The neocon chickenhawks started calling it the Powell doctrine to make their puppet Powell sound like some kind of military genius.
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:34 PM
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13. Kill 'em all
This isn't saber-rattling at whole nations, this is war against religious fanatics that despise education and common humanity, and have killed thousands of people. If a candidate wasn't devoted to see them either dead or in prison, I'd have trouble voting for them.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:39 PM
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17. Ummm, We Absolutely Should Continue. It's Not Warlike, It's Called Common Sense.
If he wasn't willing, he wouldn't be deserving of being our President whatsoever.

I have no idea what the objection in this OP is supposed to be towards. Makes no sense.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:42 PM
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21. HE SAID STRIKE...that's not warlike since when?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:52 PM
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27. It's Called Being Responsible. EVERY Dem Should Support That Position.
I would never want any one of our Dems to hold such a weak position that they would ever NOT say such a thing. That level of weakness is scary.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:39 PM
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18. Obama sounds leader-like.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:41 PM
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20. This is ALL FUNNY..Obama's fans are saying withdraw the troops..
yet AlQaeda has a stronghold in Iraq...so you want it both ways...Haven't we heard enough about Flip/Flop.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:47 PM
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24. Iraq is mostly shi'ite.
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 07:50 PM by CJCRANE
If American troops leave Iraq the locals will probably unite and drive out al-Qaeda themselves.

(On edit - I'm sure Obama will leave some rapid response units available in Iraq or nearby).
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:52 PM
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28. Your edit sums it all up
We're not going to snap our fingers and desert the country. We'll be around in some fashion. Just not with the full invasion force. The whole cut and run argument is a farce.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 07:48 PM
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26. You are not making any sense..........
and you must know that you aren't.

Are you done with the Kitchen sink and are not throwing the toilet; cause that's what it smells like.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:53 AM
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37. al Qaeda doesn't have a stronghold in Iraq
And it certainly won't "take over the country," as McCain fantasizes.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:18 AM
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42. Um...yeah. We withdraw most combat troops and let the civil war play itself out. We continue
to fight al-Qaeda with a small contingent left behind. It's the only sane position.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:50 AM
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35. Should we negotiate with them instead?
Or should we just ignore them and hope they go away? Which would you recommend?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:51 AM
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36. You don't think we should strike al Qaeda targets?
:shrug:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:00 AM
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38. Obama and his DU supporters crucified Clinton because she said
she would leave some troops in Iraq to take care of certain targets. The Obama supporters were livid that "Warmongering" Clinton did not really want to leave Iraq. And...here we have again the double standard. When Clinton says it, she is war mongering. When Obama says it--it is common sense.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:17 AM
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41. What candidate would not attempt to strike al-Qaeda targets? I don't think we
should be ignoring murderous religious-nut fuckwits.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:19 AM
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43. Makes perfect sense if BO says it
if it's Hillary she's a warmonger with "BLOOD ON HER HANDS!"
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:20 AM
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45. This may come as a shock, but Iraq and al-Qaeda are different things.
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