Is Whining about the order of questions presidential?

[GarbagemanLB]

I don't think it is. If Hillary truly felt she was up to the task, then she would have sucked it up and answered the questions regardless of order. The media was in the tank for her two months ago when she was the frontrunner and in the late nineties, and she now wants to play the victim? Bullshit. Step up or shut up, Hillary!

[Kokonoe]

1. She was right to speak up.

As much as we speak up against the press, Wrong or right she showed her guts.

[jgraz]

20. You have a great future as a Democratic campaign consultant

I bet Hillary would pay you 5 million a month for that kind of advice.

[Kokonoe]

21. Thanks, but I would screw up her order for an assorted box of donuts. n/t

[jgraz]

23. You mean those $1600 donuts?

I'd like to try them as well. I bet they're EXTRA yummy.

Mmmmm... you can taste the defeat...

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[johnnydrama]

3. how was the order determined?

anybody know?

[pdxmom]

4. Last night, I don't know, but the previous one in Austin, it was decided by

coin flip.

[johnnydrama]

7. well that begs the question

Why are coins against Hillary Clinton?

[NeedleCast]

26. Coins are Sexist!

I mean, the only people we put on our coins are men...must be sexist.

[PretzelWarrior]

5. she's getting unfair treatment. a WHOLE segment from Jim Lehrer

where she got to spout her talking points tonight. Boo hoo, Hillary. It's not handed to you--you have to earn it. Deal with it.

[AtomicKitten]

6. She has become a caricature.

Most of all, she comes off as un-presidential and has the misfortune of standing next to someone who owns presidential.

[PretzelWarrior]

8. yup. Obama needs to wipe her out in Texas

then all the "comeback" talk is over. Onto Mccain.

[AtomicKitten]

11. I agree.

He needs to bring it and shut her down.

We've got work to do.

[Occam Bandage]

9. It was a dumb move.

[rocktivity]

10. Compared to confusing television comedy with reality like Dan Qualye did

Yes.

:headbang:
rocknation

[bridgit]

12. That's not the issue. Matthews had to make the point; she has received far & away...

the majority of opening questions. Perhaps everyone was deferring to the lady. Perhaps everyone was letting her take what's called 'point' in combat. But when you're asked to take point night after night after night, I'd think you'd pretty soon get the impression that someone wasn't just being nice. But habitually tossing you out front to get shot first.

Why not spread it around? What's wrong with being fair? Draw straws or something, sheesh! Doesn't mean you're not ready to be president. After 20 debates, it just indicates she understands not only the game, but knows from where this stuff emanates. And she finally called them on it.

[DrFunkenstein]

13. Obama Has Come Into His Own

I think Sen. Clinton has maintained a fairly high level of debating, but the Obama of the first debate is vastly different than the Presidential presence he now commands on the stage. He went from a cub to a lion.

I don't think it is so much that Clinton is doing a bad job as he is doing a much more effective job.

[Breeze54]

14. You are whining.

She was complaining and why not? This is a campaign.

The even delivery of questions in a debate can be crucial.

It was a debate and the M$M isn't fair to many issue's,

and they haven't been objective in these primaries either.

[PretzelWarrior]

16. lol. and not running for president.

EVERYONE is laughing at that dumb approach.

[ContinentalOp]

15. Yes, it was definitely presidential.

It's exactly what the shrub would have done right?

[Divernan]

17. When same party candidates debate, they often agree on issues.

It is therefore a significant advantage to answer first. You get to show off your knowledge of the issue and present your solution/approach to dealing with it. The later candidates, who often are largely in agreement on at least several issues, are reduced to stating they on the whole agree with you. If candidates disagree on an issue, there is also an advantage to going first because if the listening audience finds your answer persuasive, it is harder for subsequent speakers to get them to change their minds.

I heard/read many commentators today who thought it was a tactical error on her part to complain about the order of questioning.

[Johnny__Motown]

18. depends on what you want to be president of I suppose

[zulchzulu]

19. I thought it was a childish tantrum

In a debate, if you know what you're doing, it doesn't really matter if you go first or second. You can frame the answer to your own way if you answer first and if you are second, you can actually be at a disadvantage due to the argument being framed.

Despite all that, if the other person says something you want to counter, you can respond no matter whether you went first or second.

[MadHound]

22. What I find funny, having been on debate clubs and teams

Is that the first position is the one that is always considered advantageous. You get to set the tone, tenor, and to some extent the agenda of the debate. This is a pretty important advantage since you're putting your opponent at a disadvantage right out of the box. Yet Hillary whines and complains about it:eyes:

[JimGinPA]

24. Look At This

[jmg257]

25. Whining or not - it didn't work for her. Someone told her to get that in there - and it backfired.

[carlotta]

27. Dan Abrams's pointed out that....

Hillary gets the first question 75% of the time. And that is NOT an advantage. The person who goes second gets to either rebut her points or to add to them.

Most of the time, she makes a great first answer and Obama merely says he agrees with her. He repeats everything she says and adds a little dash of this or that to make it seem like his own answer.

I would have given anything to hear him answer the question about Putin's successor and hear his original thoughts (if he had any)....and to come up with the guy's name. Instead, as usual, he said "I agree with Hillary" and parroted everything she said.