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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:20 PM
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IA Poll: C:47 O 43 U:10 Clinton regains TX Momentum
Looks like the race is tending back Clinton's way in Texas. Go Hillary! If we take Ohio and Texas on Tuesday, then it's game on!

http://southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_228_247.aspx
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:21 PM
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1. Obama says, "I pity the fool who messes with Texas!"
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:22 PM
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2. Well Every other poll disagrees with Insider Advantage.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:23 PM
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4. This is the most recent poll, isn't it?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:27 PM
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11. According to RCP, Rasmussen is the most recent poll, which shows it trending towards Obama
48-44
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:50 PM
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30. Yes but that 10% undecided is the monkey wrench
plus the MOE = dead heat.

dg
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:22 PM
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3. Insider Advantage has been terrible
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 04:23 PM by NJSecularist
I'll trust Survey USA, which has been right all along. Along with every other poll which tells us Obama is leading.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:23 PM
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5. Racism card kicking in.
Hopefully it will be short-lived.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:28 PM
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12. fours of uhhhh diamonds, king of spades, farmer gone a fishin'.... nope no racism card -
go fish!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:28 PM
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14. Are you denouncing or rejecting my post?
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:38 PM
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23. I renounce any claim to decouncing or rejecting - I was lightly mocking...
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 04:38 PM by tandem5
or was I teasing???
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:43 PM
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27. Right, because someone can't possibly chose Hillary over Obama unless they're RACIST
:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:49 PM
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:46 PM
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40. I don't know what happened to my response, but here it is again:
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:47 PM by BuyingThyme
You see, this is not about Hillary pandering to all people; it's about her pandering to racist people.

That does not mean that everybody who supports Hillary is a racist.

Is this too complicated for you?
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:05 PM
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44. I would imagine it got deleted, because it's offensive, unsubstantiated bullshit. nt
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:09 PM
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46. So you really believe all Hillary supporters are racists?
Wow. You're not very smart.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:31 PM
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49. Yeah, I'm done with you. nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:23 PM
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That ain't what Rasmussen sez.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:23 PM
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6. I'm a clinton supporter... but every polling company has their own likely voter model -
its just a mess when things are close to figure out which way things are going.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:25 PM
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7. Please
Hillary would have to win BIG in Texas and Ohio to gain anything.

If she wins Texas by, say 52% she wins the battle and loses the war.

Same in Ohio. Hillary is done.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:27 PM
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10. They are both 600+ delegates from winning the nom, little early to call it, eh?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:31 PM
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16. no, Obama's lead is insurmountable
He leads by over 150 pledged delegates.

If you include Superdelegates, he still leads by 100.

Hillary cannot make up this ground. It is over.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:26 PM
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8. I'm an Obama supporter and I'm nervous about both Ohio and Texas
not that if she wins it will propell her ahead, she would need to win by a landslide to do that, but the story would be she's coming back and the race would continue to go on. I hope Obama takes one of those states.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:26 PM
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9. sorry, it's tied. Do you understand what the MOE is?
from the article: "...indicates that Sen. Hillary Clinton has regained the lead in a race that remains within the survey’s margin of error."


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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:42 PM
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25. LOL -- but the internal polls ALSO show him losing, remember?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:54 PM
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31. LOL!!
He's up 4 pts in today's Rasmussen. Even the dimmest person should grasp that the race in TX is tied. And you have no idea what his internals show. As I explained in very simple language, campaigns always play down their chances in tight races. Too bad you have such a difficult time understanding these simple points.

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khaos Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:43 PM
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26. moe
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:28 PM
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13. Insider Advantage is rated worse than ARG....nuff said
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:31 PM
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15. Hum, lets look at the only info they give on this
"But a survey of 591 registered voters who are likely to vote in the Democratic primary in Texas conducted last night (February 27) indicates that Sen. Hillary Clinton has regained the lead in a race that remains within the survey’s margin of error. The results were:

Clinton: 47%
Obama: 43%
Undecided: 10%

The survey has been weighted for age, race, gender and political affiliation. Margin of error +/- 4%"

1. 591 were polled?? Texas is kind of big for 591.
1. Which section did they poll? E Texas, N Texas, West Texas, South Texas, Central Texas? What they do, poll only 110 people in each part?
3. And, how did they determine "who are likely to vote in the Democratic primary"?


Pretty flimsy stuff to use, IMO. Whatever floats your boat though.


Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:32 PM
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17. Hey, this People Calling people poll says Obama has a 7 point lead
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:33 PM
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18. well I just left from voting
for Obama and my precinct says that voting is unbelievable. She said that usually they are doing good if they average 15 a day during primary season and they are having over 200 a day.:wow:

Mostly Democratic candidates.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:38 PM
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22. Really a once in a generation primary for TX I gather. n/t
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:33 PM
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19. Beautiful; Go Texas!......nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:35 PM
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20. Good luck.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:36 PM
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21. or it could be 43-47 the other way within the MOE.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:41 PM
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24. Joke of a polling firm.
Here's what they predicted for Iowa --

Edwards: 41%
Clinton: 34%
Obama: 25%

and SC --

Barack Obama: 41%
Hillary Clinton: 31%
John Edwards: 13%
Other: 1%
Undecided: 14%




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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:00 PM
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36. Ouch
And this is the poll the Clintonites are using as the be-all-end-all? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:43 PM
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28. That would be ok- probably a tie in delegates in that scenario
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:47 PM
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29. Go Hillary!
:)
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:54 PM
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33. I am sick of people only posting the polls that put their candidate in the best light.
Then they ignore any poll that shows the opposite. We have learned after new Hampshire that you can't trust the polls anyway, so instead of dwelling on the polls why don't we just wait a few days until they hold the only poll that matters.
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KLee Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:01 PM
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37. RIGHT ON!
These polls don't reflect the actual vote totals....especially when they only ask 590 something people....not accurate.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:57 PM
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34. 10% Undecided is a lot...
and early voting heavily favors Obama.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:59 PM
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35. This thread is very reminiscent of the pre-Wisconsin threads -nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:02 PM
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38. Or simply something to do with the margin of error?
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 06:02 PM by Mass
I would say that the race is tied in Texas. That is what about poll says, including this one.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:29 PM
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39. She would have to win OH and TX by OVER 60% to even catch him. NOT going to happen! n/t
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:08 PM
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45. She doesn't have to catch him.
Neither will get enough for the nomination, and it goes to the convention.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:38 PM
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50. Facts don't work with Hillbots
Its the cult thing, ya know?:eyes:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:48 PM
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41. sweet biscuits!
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:48 PM
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42. cherry picking, majority of polls have Obama ahead and margin in your example is 4
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:49 PM
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43. U:10
There's where Obama will win.
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:10 PM
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47. Rasmussen Polls
Funny, when Rasmussen polls show Hillary in the lead, the Obama supporters on DU say how flawed those polls are, but yet they turn around and use them as support when they show Obama in the lead. You can't have it both ways....sorry!
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:12 PM
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48. Someone posted this poll oversampled hispanics - 38% I think
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zach Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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51. Very strange internals on this poll...
I don't really see any possible way of explaining the internals of this poll, it truly doesn't make sense.

The first glaring issue with this poll, is that the sampling for the different minority breakdowns is no where near consistent with every other poll coming out of Texas.

Secondly, take a look at the differences between their polling from two days ago and this poll they released today.

Insider Advantage Texas 2-26-2008
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/InsiderAdvantage_MajorityOpinionTXDemPrimaryPoll-2-26-2008.html

Insider Advantage Texas 2-28-2008
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/InsiderAdvantage_MajorityOpinionTXDemPrimaryPoll-2-28-2008.html

Clearly the sample sizes are small so you're going to see fluctuation; but they're now saying Hillary is winning republican crossover votes in this newest poll, as well as seeing independents going from 5% undecided 2 days ago, to 20% today, amongst other irregularities... Something seems odd to me.

Anyways, I didn't see the internals posted yet, so I figured I'd drop them in here for those interested.

Enjoy.

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:52 PM
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52. One poll is not a trend
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