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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:25 PM
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Help from my DU buddies...
My father-in-law has forwarded to me (for the third time!!) the Obama-is-a-Muslim smear email. I thought I had straightened this out 2 months ago. but I guess he wants to make sure I'm informed (he knows I'm supporting Obama). He is a life-long republican, voted for Bush twice (not for any good reasons).

I want to "reply to all" on his latest email, and start out...just for argument's sake let's say Obama is a radical muslim, determined to destroy the US from the inside out (YES, that is the actual copy in the email)...how do you think he would do it? would he:
1) run up the national debt to 9 trillion dollars so our kids and grandkids will have to pay it off?

... you get the idea...I'd like to compile the most shocking statistics of what this administration has done to ruin america, then close with "wait a minute that would be our current president--who is a "christian"...

so if anyone out there can help me out--I know I could research this too, and come up with plenty, but thought you guys may have some better ideas.

thanks for reading this!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:27 PM
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1. voted for Bush twice (not for any good reasons).
Um, there ARE no "good reasons", silly.


Didn't you point him to Snopes?
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:29 PM
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2. he's not too computer literate...
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 07:32 PM by RazBerryBeret
has trouble forwarding emails generally....
but that was how I responded the first time he sent me that email...I sent him 4 or 5 web sites that debunked the email...

the second time I called him and told him it was false (and very nicely told him to stop sending them to me or anyone else)
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:30 PM
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3. No. Giving Them A Pass On It And Condoning It By Theoretically Acting Like He's A Radical Muslim,
is not all that bright.

You send them facts. If they are too ignorant to learn from facts, then stop wasting your time.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:31 PM
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4. Two responses here depending on which smear you're talking about:
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:38 PM
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8. both good links...
thank you!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:31 PM
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5. Give it up. Tell him to drop politics as a discussion point.
This can only end badly for you if you keep going back and forth with him.

My late father-in-law was absolutely great. I feel sorry for you putting up with such hate and ignorance.

But family is no place to go to war. He will lose. Give it up.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:34 PM
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7. ok, maybe that's the smartest route....
I've already heard that from my husband..he he he...
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:32 PM
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6. 1) "Reply all" with this: "Go away." 2) Block their addresses, so you don't get
messages from them anymore.

Redstone
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:42 PM
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9. Here is a "reply all" response that I sent after receiving Obama hate mail:
I received some racist crap about Obama being "foreign Muslim", etc.from someone and this was my response to everyone the email was sent to:

I think it would be a better use of all our time to investigate the people who are currently bankrupting the country and destroying our democracy. Hint: They are all white men who were more than likely born in this country and claim to be Christians.


For starters, Google the term:
Project for a New American Century and click on their Statement of Principals. Better yet! here's the link: http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Now scroll down to the bottom of this document and look at the members of this organization. The date shows it was written in 1997-before the first election stolen by GW Bush. Recognize any names? Do a search on each name. Just go to Wikipedia and type their names in and read up on their resumes and accomplishments. The current Vice President. His former chief of staff (indicted). GW Bush's own brother. Bush senior's VP. The head of the World Bank (architect of the Iraq invasion) The former secretary of defense, once the head of Searle Labs. You will learn that each is either a felon, has been indicted for a federal crime, or is being investigated or has been investigated by the justice department or has been forced to resign due to scandal or has just slinked back into the rotten underbelly of the neo-conservative bilge. You'll find former associates of terrorists, arms dealers and drug dealers circa the Iran-Contra scandal. You will recognize that many key members found places in the Bush administration's cabinet after 2000. No coincidence, I assure you. Those that were forced to resign, fired or indicted went on to get promotions like becoming the head of the World Bank.(and in that case, got busted again for getting his girlfriend a job...the LEAST of his crimes)
Look into the industries these people have been and are involved with: Oil and Gas, Aerospace and Defense. Drug companies.

Look at a graph of the Dow from 2000 to the present day. Look at how the index has done compared to the Aerospace, Defense & Oil and Gas industries. What more do you need to know?

You're thinking you need to spread some specious slag about Barack Obama?
Please...

Follow the money. OUR money!

These are the men who have been pulling the wool over the eyes of most American people for a good while now. They either own or are MAJOR players in some of the largest corporations. They own the media, which means they control access to information. They determine what you know and what you don't know. THESE are the people you need to learn about. These are the men who are responsible for the destruction of this country.

Do you really think they give a rat's a$$ about you and me? Do you really think they care about so called "family values"? Your rights as an American citizen? Your rights were signed away with the Patriot Act. You became a member of a fascist country when the first election was stolen.

There's so much to know. I swear, I can hardly keep up!

Read this document from the PNAC written Sept 2000.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
To quote the first paragraph on page 51 of the original document-page 63 of the pdf. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings about revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catalyzing event-like a new Pearl Harbor."

That one gets me every time.

Finally, one strange, lengthy and very ironic note on Muslims and immigrants.
(which is how this all got started, right?)

Check out the immigrant who was the head of security for Dean Whitter/Morgan Stanley who lost his life trying to save his co-workers on 9/11. His name was Rick Rescorla.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rescorla

His best friend, a convert to Islam, was this scary guy: (from Wikipedia)

Daniel J. Hill (born 1938 in Oak Park, Illinois) joined the United States Army at the age of 15 by lying about his age. He eventually became a Special Forces paratrooper and served in Germany where he participated in missions during the Hungarian Revolution and the struggle for control of Lebanon in 1958.
Following his tour in Germany, he was selected for Ranger school at Fort Benning where he was asked to return as an instructor. In 1960 he was assigned to infiltrate the Katanga insurrection in the Congo where he met his lifelong friend, Rick Rescorla.
Hill served as a lieutenant during his first tour in Vietnam and a captain during his second. After his first tour he was awarded the Silver Star for heroism at Trung Luong, five Bronze Stars, the Purple Heart, the Army Commendation medal and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Palm Leaf.
After retiring from the US Army, he converted to Islam and spent time fighting with the Mujahideen against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
In the meantime, Rescorla had become Director of Security for Dean Witter Securities (later merged with Morgan Stanley), which occupied a number of floors in the World Trade Center. Rescorla had become increasingly concerned about the potential for a terrorist attack against the center and in 1990 hired Hill to provide an assessment of the building's vulnerabilities. Hill singled out the basement parking garage as the obvious point for a car bomb attack, telling Rescorla that if he were a terrorist he would fill a truck with ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel and detonate it in the underground parking garage. Rescorla reported these findings to the New York Port Authority and the New York Police Department but received no official response.
In 1993 the World Trade Center bombing took place in almost exactly the manner Hill had predicted.
Following the bombing, Rescorla and Hill wrote a report which warned that the next logical step would be a suicide terrorist flying a plane into the building.
In 1998 Hill attempted to interest the FBI in a plan to assassinate Osama bin Laden. He proposed working with his Afghani contacts to ambush bin Laden as he drove between Kandahar and Kabul but the plan was rejected. In 2001, his contacts told him that a major attack against the US was imminent and he attempted to revive the plan but was again turned down by the FBI.
That's a lot to think about....it's confusing...Mercenaries? Heroes? In the wrong place at the wrong time? Inside, outside? Both sides? They don't seem like dumb guys to me.

The neo-cons know we're all just too busy putting food on the table; too trusting or just too scared to ask questions...too bigoted to reject the dominate paradigm. Making a big car payment. They've got us right where they want us: paying taxes and carrying guns and sending our kids to fight for oil and waving flags and watching "reality" television. They've redefined truth.

As long as we are scared of Islamic terrorists, the more we will comply with their wishes...and that is to strip every civil liberty we have from us and make us beg for their crumbs. Why do you think they keep provoking more terrorism?








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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:45 PM
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10. awesome
thank you! permission to use? and keep for future reference?
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:49 PM
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11. Absolutely. The truth shall set us free.
:kick:
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