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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:49 AM
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Obama Speech in Oct. 2002 -- "You want a fight, President Bush?"
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 10:43 AM by Armstead
This is a speech Barak Obama made in 2002, when announcing his opposition to the War on Iraq.

Worth reading, especially for those who think Obama is a wimp who is unwilling or incapable of fighting back against the GOP.


http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/28/7343/


October 2002 Speech: Against Going to War With Iraq
by Barack Obama

October 2, 2002

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.


Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?

Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe. You want a fight, President Bush?

Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil. Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.


The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not — we will not — travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:50 AM
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1. just words............
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:53 AM
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2. Oooooooooo...I especially love the sinister Arab music in the background
:eyes:
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:29 AM
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6. Wow, surprised they didn't put arab subtitles at the bottom too, lol
Ignore list keeps growing, day by day.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:35 AM
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8. Paid for by the Committee to Elect John McCain
Not really, but it might as well have been.....
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armodem08 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:37 AM
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9. Would you prefer it if he did charades?
Jeez, I mean, it's a speech. What else could it be besides words?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:54 PM
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20. OMG SCARY ARAB MUSIC.
Also, his CFR subcommittee does not have oversight over Afghanistan. It is responsible for US policy towards NATO, which of course does not cover the strategic, tactical, operational, logistical, or any other functional aspects of the Afghan war.
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madmunchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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3. Glad to be the 1st to rec this illustration of a great speech given
at a time when others were just "falling" in line w/Bush.....even those w/years and years of EXPERIENCE and those that proclaim that they would FIGHT for us.
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:23 AM
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4. Thank you for posting. This speech needs to be posted daily
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 10:36 AM by MoJoWorkin
as it is pretty obvious that it causes consternation among the unenlightened ones.

It would also be nice if they actually read and absorbed what a person with REAL judgment and leadership had to say in the run-up to one of the worst blunders ever.


During the run-up, I was out with our small group of protesters at the busiest intersection of my hometown, every Sunday afternoon with my NO WAR ON IRAQ sign. Some people driving by not only cursed at us, but on occasion they opened their car doors to try knock us down or further intimidate us. Speaking out at that time was tough for anyone.
The fact that Obama was with the protesters like me at that time means everything to me.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:50 PM
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17. OBAMA FUNDS WAR OVER AND OVER...
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 01:50 PM by indimuse
OBAMA FUNDS WAR OVER AND OVER...OBAMA FUNDS WAR OVER AND OVER...OBAMA FUNDS WAR OVER AND OVER...OBAMA FUNDS WAR OVER AND OVER...OBAMA FUNDS WAR OVER AND OVER...He wimped pout when had a chance to become an ANTI WAR Activist!!! Now he's trying to convince people(doing a great job!) that he didn't vote for the IW...Well when you vote YES to Fund it further and extend this war YOU are a WAR FUNDER!!!WHY DID HE VOTE YES??? IF he knew this was bogus and illegal...WHY AFTER the fact ...DID HE VOTE OVER and OVER TO FUND IT? YES!!! TO WAR SAYS OBAMA!!!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:56 PM
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21. Obama voted for every withdrawal resolution. Failing to provide funds for the war would not end it;
it would only make Bush shut down research, veterans' benefits, and upkeep to pay for his war.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:00 PM
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22. no spin zone..
nice try...
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:02 PM
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24. When you notice that the entire world is spinning around you...
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:02 PM
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23. oh..and..
new dictionary definition for excuse : Obama
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:03 PM
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26. You meant "thesaurus" and "synonym." The state of education in this country...
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:02 PM
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29. lil' ky with that observation?
...wink wink..lol..
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:27 AM
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5. It sounds like what most of us were saying back then. I can ..
.. believe in this type of "change". Rec from me!
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:29 AM
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7. Thanks for this post ...n/t
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 10:33 AM by not_too_L8
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:38 AM
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10. K & R #5 off to the greatest page with you!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:54 AM
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11. And yet he's voted to continue funding the war EVERY TIME EXCEPT FOR ONE.
EVERY TIME.

Another political "do as I say, not as I do" moment? I've had enough of that.

I'm not a Hillary supporter, nor do I support Barack.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:43 PM
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13. Let's take a look
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 12:46 PM by not_too_L8
Obama’s initial opposition to the $87 billion was based on the fact that $20 billion of that sum was earmarked for reconstruction projects that he feared would be awarded by the White House in no-bid contracts.

Obama Voted Against The Iraq Supplemental Spending Bill. (H.R. 2206, CQ Vote #181: Passed 80-14: R 42-3; D 37-10; I 1-1, 5/24/07, Obama Voted Nay)

Obama Also Voted Against $70 Billion In Emergency Iraq Funding. (S. 2340, CQ Vote #410: Rejected 45-53: R 44-3; D 0-49; I 1-1, 11/16/07, Obama Voted Nay)

through these in for good measure

Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". To increase appropriations for after-school programs through 21st century community learning centers. Voting YES would increase funding by $51.9 million for after school programs run by the 21st century community learning centers and would decrease funding by $51.9 million for salaries and expenses in the Department of Labor.
Reference: Amendment to Agencies Appropriations Act; Bill S Amdt 2287 to HR 3010 ; vote number 2005-279 on Oct 27, 2005

Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. To provide an additional $5 billion for title I of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965. Voting YES would provide:
$2.5 billion for targeting grants to local educational agencies
$2.5 billion for education finance incentive grants
Reference: Elementary and Secondary Education Amendment; Bill S Amdt 2275 to HR 3010 ; vote number 2005-269 on Oct 26, 2005

Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. Vote to adopt an amendment to the Senate's 2006 Fiscal Year Budget Resolution that would adjust education funding while still reducing the deficit by $5.4 billion. A YES vote would:
Restore education program cuts slated for vocational education, adult education, GEAR UP, and TRIO.
Increase the maximum Pell Grant scholarship to $4,500 immediately.
Increases future math and science teacher student loan forgiveness to $23,000.
Pay for the education funding by closing $10.8 billion in corporate tax loopholes.
y he voted for all but one, well here are two that say ney. and some others he said yes to for good measure.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:03 PM
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25. Great follow-up post
to the OP.

Obama's prophetic, on target, and -- at the time-- very brave speech has been followed up with good deeds. HRC can speechify, villify, twist and spin about him all she wants but her leadership, experience and judgment is hollow.

BTW, Armstead, down thread, needs to read your post.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:08 PM
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27. And one of the NO votes was made late, when his vote no longer mattered.
That isn't leadership.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:12 AM
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12. K & R
Everyone should read.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:35 PM
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14. Is this speech not Obama's ENTIRE on-record protesting the war?
I have seen this speech a hundred times now. Is this all there is?

Is this the big difference -- all of it -- between Obama and Hillary on the war?

Outside of this one speech, made back when Obama was not yet on the national stage, back when he was under no pressure one way or the other, where has Obama said anything different about Iraq from what Hillary has said?

My problem with this recurring Obama-opposed-the-war meme is that, so far as I know, this one speech constitutes Obama's ENTIRE anti-war effort. It seems to be the only attempt he has made to prevent the war or bring it to an end. Its rhetoric is lofty, but where has it been matched by commisserate action -- action beyond that of Clinton -- since Obama got to the Senate?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:50 PM
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16. Under no pressure?
Do you remember back then. The conventional wisdom among many conventional Democrats was that is would be political suicide to go up against GW Bush and his war.

Also, I deliberatly posted this because it showed a lot of rhetorical backbone on other levels, at a time when it was not nice to criticize GW Bush.

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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:39 PM
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15. and let's keep in mind he had the full backing of about 14% of the country on this, too.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:52 PM
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18. K, R, and bookmark.
Thanks, Armstead. :hi:
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:54 PM
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19. K&R
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:33 PM
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28. That speech was given 10-26-2002 not on 10-2-2002
And the reason the date is significant is because by 10-26-2002 the IWR vote was more than two weeks old and many in congress had already given speeches on this, which Obama was able to glean for his speech.

Four times in the above speech Obama said indicated the he knew. But in all the time that has passed since he gave the speech he has never, not even once, indicated how he knew. For instance when Obama said "I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States" how did he know all about Saddam and his WMDs? All the Democratic Senators at the time, save Bob Graham, voted for either the IWR itself, of voted for an amendment to the IWR to focus on Saddam's WMDs. And then, Bob Graham was able to explain that he had access to security information the other senators did not have access to, that's why he voted no on all three.


How did Obama know?

In 2004, Obama said from his vantage point the case was not made - - - but never expounded on that vantage point which prompted him to say "I know" on October 26, 2002. Yet, the dichotomy in his speech is evidenced by the fact Obama said "He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity" - - Obama said all that but never said how he knew Obama was not a direct threat to the United States.

The contradiction in Obama's words does not make any sense.

It would only make sense if Obama cherry picked parts of other's speeches that tickled his ears.





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