Thank you, Hillary, for your latest fear-mongering attack ad

[jgraz]

Just like Bill in the 90s, she steals yet another Republican tactic and makes it her own. In the process, she's giving Obama a golden opportunity to deftly defuse a key bomb in the Repuke arsenal.

Not that you need my help, but could you please go after his flag lapel pins next? We really need that issue off the table by fall. Thanks.


By the time McCain gets a crack at him, the Repugs will only be able to make fun of his ears -- assuming Mark Penn isn't cooking up an ear-based attack ad as we speak. "Is America ready for a jug-eared President? Vote Hillary Clinton -- her normal-sized ears are ready on day one."

[HooptieWagon]

1. I'll take jug-ears any day

over tone-deaf ones.

[NightWatcher]

2. hell yes, once he beats Clintons, Obama will skate past McWarPig

[cali]

3. ack

who cares? I can't even work up any indignation about the Clinton Camp's antics at this point. It's all over but for her concession speech and the post-mortems.

[jgraz]

6. I'm serious. I really think she's doing us all a favor with this

Not that she sees it that way, but no one will be able to say Obama hasn't faced a strong Republican attack by the time Hillary's done.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

20. You could very well be right

There is something in social psychology called "attitude inoculation." Hillary is giving independents small doses of the GOP slime machine. It could work as a vaccine.

[scheming daemons]

7. You actually think there will BE a concession speech?

Hillary won't ever go away... I'm convinced now.


She's our Huckabee..... only with the very big difference in that she'll continue to play dirty and attack, while Huckabee hasn't attacked McCain.

[jgraz]

9. Except Huckabee has never gone after McCain the way Hillary goes after Obama

Plus, Huckabee actually has a sense of humor and can laugh at himself. Too bad he's a fundie wack-job.

[cali]

11. Yep. I think she'll concede graciously

She's a very smart person. She'll give it her all and throw out everything and the kitchen sink over the next 3 days but if she loses, she'll concede.

[JeanGrey]

48. Nope, she'll sue. Watch and see.

[ORDem]

24. More like she'll start umpteen lawsuits to deny Obama the nomination until

well past the November election, shades of FL 2000.

:dem:

[jgraz]

27. Never happen. She may be desperate, but she's not stupid

If she really presses this lawsuit, you're going to see every superD jump ship to Obama. Either way, it's over March 5th.

[grantcart]

65. and all of the books where eveyone goes after everyone else

[TwilightGardener]

4. LOL! If this campaign goes beyond Tuesday, we'll be seeing the

"morph" of Obama's name into Osama--against a backdrop of Obama in native Somali dress. I'll put money on it.

[shadowknows69]

5. I can see it now

"Do we really want someone answering that phone with those ears? The hot line could be lost forever inside one of those massive flaps of aural flesh and then where would the country be? Vote Hillary, she's got good ears."

[Meshuga]

8. No kidding!

If she succeeds with the attack ads I am sure she will continue with this strategy showing us that she wants this nomination at any cost. I want her to lose badly and as quick as possible so I don't have to witness this fear mongering BS. It is sickening and very hard to watch.

[shadowknows69]

10. I've been trying to not be mean about it but...

I really want her to get trounced on Tuesday now and I think it's a possibility. Ads like this will either work for her or turn people away in droves. Pretty big gamble.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Its called the kitchen sink strategy in chess

I hope it sinks like her poll numbers.

[Meshuga]

16. I hope it sinks too

I am embarrassed to say this but I actually wanted her to win in New Hapshire.

But since, I have been turned off by the negativity of her campaign and I am sure there will be many turned off Democrats as her campaign continues with this nasty strategy.

[corkhead]

28. It doesn't usually work in chess either

[Rageneau]

39. Why are you trying not to be mean? Go on, let go -- let the hate flow through you.

It's fun to hate Hillary. Fun to make up things about her to dislike, to call her names, and to resent her every breath and ascribe a satanic purpose to her every action.

It's fun. Remember when we did it to Saddam? And we got what we deserved for our nasty-tempers and willingness to believe the worst about someone without proof -- this lovely war. (It wasn't the Congress who sent us to Iraq; it was the misled American public and the misleading American press -- all hopped up on hate.

[shadowknows69]

46. Well you go ahead, I'm not a hater

[Major Hogwash]

12. Yes, but Mark Penn works for McCain's campaign manager's company.

So, why would you expect the employee not to do what his boss told him to do?

He'd get fired if he didn't do it.

[rateyes]

14. I want someone answering the phone who will deal with

those who attack us, and not those who don't. She failed that test the first time around. She shouldn't have a second chance at it.

[workinclasszero]

15. Thanks so much for your help Hillary

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[Bluerthanblue]

17. ads like this have nothing to do with sexism, and are why she isn't

the candidate that we need.

Enough with the 'fear-mongering'- enough with the 'any means to an end'.

peace~

[TheZug]

18. How about the subtle racism in the ad?

It's the same imagery and pushes the same buttons as home alarm system ads: look at your precious little white girl sleeping peacefully. If you don't buy our alarm/vote for me, you're at the mercy of some scary black man.

Not saying that it was intended, but for those seeing sexism everywhere, this is at least as plausible.

[jgraz]

22. Hillaroids have leveled charges of sexism on far flimsier evidence.

good catch. :thumbsup:

[ORDem]

26. Yep, don't forget that some HRC supporters think "frustration" is sexist. n/t

:dem:

[jgraz]

30. I think those Hillary supporters reveal more about themselves than perhaps they want to

:rofl:

[BenDavid]

19. excuse me but the sun will rise and set today without any

assistance from obama....I do thank you

[jgraz]

21. He's too busy fighting against the "white devils"

Hey, Ben, I think you dropped something:

[SIMPLYB1980]

23. LoL!

[papau]

35. LOL - does anyone still believe that it was not Obama that played the race card to move the AA vote?

[jgraz]

36. Obama is going after the Alcoholics Anonymous vote?

Hi, I'm Bob and I'm a Hillary Supporter.


HI BOB.


It's been 3 months since I've whined about unfair media coverage.


<applause>

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. if it has you all in a tizzy PROOF that it must be quite EFFECTIVE and GOOD

[jgraz]

29. yeah, you just keep thinking that

:eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

33. I think it's excellent. I hope she puts out five more just like it!

:rofl:

NGU.

[easy_b94]

31. I really think this is going to back fire

[jgraz]

32. Name a Hillary tactic that HASN'T backfired

:D

[L0oniX]

44. Makes you wonder what would backfire if she were the president.

[BigDaddy44]

34. What is the problem?

I really find it bizarre that so many people are up in arms about this ad. Its an ad!!! Her perceived strength is being "ready at day 1", and she's emphasizing it in the ad. Just how naive are you people? This is crunch time. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent. She could be throwing all sorts of mud in ads, but I haven't seen it thus far. This is just a relatively mild commercial emphasizing that someday a president is going to get "that call" in the middle of the night, and Hillary thinks she's the best person to answer it.

Can we all stop being a little less outraged over everyday politics. And take a history lesson.....campaigns were MUCH MUCH more brutal 100 or even 200 years ago.

[Greyskye]

45. Here's a history lesson for you.

"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days."

Franklin D. Roosevelt, Inaugural Address, March 4, 1933

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/

Read and listen to the entire address. Maybe you'll learn something.

[BigDaddy44]

50. Well I'm sure not comparing her to FDR

She's doing what she thinks she has to do to win. Its a little goofy in my estimation, but the imitation everyone is doing of Fred Sanford having a heart attack when they see the ad makes me laugh.

[Greyskye]

51. But that's the exact problem

You say "She's doing what she thinks she has to do to win."

If all she's got is the exact same message that the current mis-administration has been running on for the past 7 years, that the entire Democratic base is sick and tired of... and you are unable to see why people are calling her on it?

[BigDaddy44]

54. What strategy would you follow?

Look.... she's done. Out of ideas. Everything she has tried has failed. This is her hail mary pass. Whats she going to try? Hope? Change? Optimism? Obama owns those. Call her out if you wish, but she's desperate.

Politics is about winning, not about playing nice.

[Greyskye]

56. Sorry, I don't use the Karl Rove playbook

If you can't win an election on your merits, then you have no business running.

I agree with you - she's done. Out of ideas. But to pull out this tired canard is disingenuous and unworthy of a candidate seeking the highest office in the land.

[BigDaddy44]

63. Only one problem with that

Its real nice to say you don't use the Karl Rove playbook......but it works. Distasteful as it is, it works. So its real noble to say that if you can't win an election on your merits you shouldn't play, but she's in the race, and in the race to win. If she doesn't think she can win on the merits, then she should pack it in and go back home.

This is politics. This is how the game is played whether you like it or not. You do NOT play to be nice, you play to win. If you aren't willing to do what it takes to win, quite frankly, you won't win.

[Greyskye]

66. I see a bigger picture

The problem is the incredible hubris of the Clinton campaign. When they began, she was the clear front runner. They never dreamed that there would be a credible democratic alternative - and they were wrong. Now they are still acting as if she is the only credible democratic candidate, and to hell with what the real world is saying. And so, in order to shore up the failing dikes of her candidacy, she attempts to tear down, through the use of the 'fear card', Obama's run.

Unfortunately, we're already seeing the results of that. The republicans are copying her memes, and employing them against Obama as well. And so the rising tides not only threaten her failing campaign, but have the opportunity to begin eroding Obama's as well in the general election.

This is just one of the problems with playing the politics of fear. As we have seen so many times during the Bush mis-administration, blowback can be a real bitch. And the more that her campaign uses tactics that can't measurably help her, but only lower the standards of discourse being waged in this war of words, the more she is failing this country.

I have always greatly respected and admired Hillary - we have her autobiography in our personal library. But these tactics demean our country, as well as lower my respect.

I have tried to live my life by taking the high road, and that has served me (IMHO) well. Perhaps it is a personal fault to wish that the leaders of my country do the same.

[FogerRox]

67. Roves playbook is worn and tatered, by going to the well to often, the well goes dry

Donkey

[Yael]

37. Out of the loop again

actually have been *working* at work this week.

<shudder>

Whats the scoop on the new ad?

:popcorn:

[jgraz]

38. here y'go

Get ready to lose your lunch

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=98874&mesg_id=98874

[Yael]

41. LOL!

Well played, Camp Clinton!

:rofl:

[loveangelc]

40. is national security a particularly huge issue among texas dems?

[Independent-Voter]

42. I've got to say it - Hillary is a fucking dumbass for running this ad

Too little, too late, too transparent. Sort of the theme of her whole campaign if you think about it.

[L0oniX]

43. Careful ...those ears may be terrorist bombs.

:sarcasm:

[Arugula Latte]

47. So, apparently, when Hillary answers a phone at 3 am, she's wearing lipstick

and dressed in a business suit and has had time to put on a necklace? :shrug:

[anonymous171]

49. This new ad reminds me of something...

Oh yeah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4t9O_yFsY

[Omega3]

52. this thread shows what's wrong with the Obama camp, outrage at every little turn of the event in a

campaign year, like He's above reproach for anything. This ad is not slinging mud at him, it's just making a point about one of her strenghths (that she's running on).

Furthermore, any talk about how this is a RW attack method or whatever continues to illustrate how behind many Dems are on how you win an election. I'm sorry but politics is not about playing nice, it's a bloodsport of sorts and this is the one thing Dems would do better to understand. If you can't take a little heat, and it IS a little heat now, how are you going to handle it if he the nom. in the GE with the GOP attack machine at full force???

and all the comments about ears? One of the reasons we know this is going on is because of the internet and 24/7 "news" shows.

[anonymous171]

53. Fear mongering is unacceptable from ANY candidate.

I hope you know that.

[Omega3]

55. welcome to politics my friend, if you don't like it, welcome to President McCain, Imean really, what

the fuck do you think McLame is gonna do, he's going to talk about his military backround, play it all up, he was already doing that in my state during it's primary.

Even your buddy Obama , although no war hero like McCain, said recently in an AP story on Yahoo that he comes from a family that has a military backround even though he wasn't in the military himself.

They're all doing it.

[anonymous171]

57. Claiming a military background is not fear mongering

This is fear mongering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU4t9O_yFsY

[Omega3]

58. the "anti-war" canidate will say anything to get elected, including wraping himself around his

"proud" military "backround" just to get votes. He saying I'm part of the club, playing to indies and repubs like he always does, you know, like invoking Raygun in a positive light, is he a Dem or repug?

[anonymous171]

59. What's wrong with a military background?

Also, isn't Hillary an anti-war candidate as well?

[ginantonic40]

60. I'm surprised it didn't have a pack of wolves in it too. n/t

[blocker]

61. She stole this 3 am thing from Mccain...look

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/What_is_it_about_3_am_.html#comments

[anonymous171]

62. Fear you can xerox. nt

[jgraz]

64. Nice

:thumbsup:

[Scurrilous]

68. Kick

:thumbsup: