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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:27 PM Original message |
I can't believe what I've read today |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. I know the feeling |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
62. Which is why I don't post much anymore |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I have notices that. sad. very sad. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
112. I know the feeling too ~ I'm supporting Obama and have |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. I find myself visiting here less and less.... |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's not the DU we all knew a few months ago |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:31 PM Original message |
Please do take a time out. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. Deleted sub-thread |
LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
12. Desperate tactics? Her opponent has been given a complete pass |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
51. Right. Blame Clinton. Sigh. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. sigh x2 |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
135. Damn -- the sub-thread was deleted |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. I hear you. I'm shocked at some of the stuff lately. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. Agreed -- it's maddening and makes me quite honestly sad |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. I watched Democracy Now! yesterday |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. Absent a link I have no idea what you're talking about. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's out of control. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. It's thrown me for a loop, too. It needs to be discussed, badly. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
93. there's always been hate here for the BFEE and the RWNM |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
136. And the response to you from the Hillary folk has been.... |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. Not incoherent at all. You make perfect sense. |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. In all fairness, I think some things get blown waaaaay out of proportion |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
11. Because She's A LIAR |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. It's an ad touting |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. It's Bush fear-mongering, exactly precisely the same |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. That's your skewed opinion |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. When it was Bush doing it |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Voting for the IWR.... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. It's Bush's war |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
94. STOP LYING ABOUT OBAMA |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. I'm so tired of this. Wrong person to blame. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
95. love and devotion can make people see things screwy too |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Your obsessive blind hatred is stunning. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Lies are lies |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. They are all lies to you because you can't see past |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
97. Can you see, that is just what the Republicans said |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #97 |
113. LOL ... so now I'm a RePuke and HRC is Bush? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
126. I already see a post |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. When ALL they see are lies and evil intent, |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:40 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. nobody has objectivity in my opinion |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. You fall in to tears over an anyomous Internet posting site? |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Agreed |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. And she should take your advice? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. I admit I teared up when I saw the Ellen vid about the murdered teen. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
85. Watching a video of an actual human... |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I also admit to tearing up over some beautifully written posts here. |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Anonymous? A lot of us have been here for years and know each other |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
77. You got it -- I even met my wife on here |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. That's fantastic! Belated congratulations. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. OOOO -- I want that shirt! |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. If you EVER come to Seattle let me know and I'll take you out to dinner |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. We'll be there in mid-July! |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. That's great. Keep me in mind. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. Is she as scary as I've heard |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. She's probably a ~~PALEOFEMINIST~~ |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. OMG -- SHE ACTUALLY IS!!!!!!! |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. And you should disconnect your head from your ass. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. Both sides are guilty of bad behavior, but once a candidate |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
68. Good luck with THAT! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
69. maybe you have been listening to many---uniting may not come about. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
104. Then we'll have President McCain and more war. |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. I Rarely Post Here Anymore... Not Since John Edwards Anyway! |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
16. Please see thread 4820457. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:35 PM Original message |
tell me about it. i have to stay away from GDP just so that i dont start |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
17. don't go, my friend....don't give up or in no matter what! and WE NEED YOU |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. Yes...listen to ElsewheresDaughter... |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
18. Oh good lord, people need to get a life. DU is NOT the be all end all in the world |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
59. It used to be the be all end all of Democrat chat boards, now it has |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
64. Whaaaaaaaaaat? |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. There's no EASTER BUNNY either |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Have you no mercy on a wounded soul? |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. sorry |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
122. No Leprechauns. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Now on that I got you. |
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galadrium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. I actually like it |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Except it's not debate |
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galadrium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. A lot of it isn't but... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. So let's look at what those 'shared values' are: |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. DUZY! |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. In a WWE "Smackdown" sort of way. |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
20. I'm really sorry this has hurt you so. |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
22. DU= Not Real Life |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. How existential. |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I do |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
90. It's frightening how many people think this place IS the world. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. Im sorry you're upset but... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Seems is talking about bashers. Not all bashers are supporters. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
39. You ask why? It comes from the top down |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Right, Barack called me at 3am and told me to hate Hillary so I followed his orders |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. No, BO perpetrated this hate from the start |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
70. Bullshit. And you are now on my ignore list. Bye! |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. I understand the truth hurts, but it must be said in this regard.....Bye! |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. Most Obama supporters do hot "hate" Clinton. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. on this board it's not a small minority |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
78. yes---too much---It will be difficult to overlook the hate (my word). don't know |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
106. pauk, I have lost respect for some posters I used to respect because of their attacks on Obama, |
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MindMatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. Nobody on our side HATES her. Get over that bullshit. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. 89% approval with Democrats |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Yea, I'm gonna have to ask for a link to that approval rating. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Support against McCain |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. That isnt what approval rating means |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Just better electability |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Doesnt mean electability either |
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democrat_nanny (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
89. Yeah up... |
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democrat_nanny (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. Even the wording is hateful |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
123. OMG you must be joking! |
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MindMatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. A serious persecution complex. |
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democrat_nanny (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #123 |
133. No, I'm not |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
58. I'm undoubtedly part of the problem |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
60. It's the "new" politics. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. I just got here - point me to specifics of what you are talking about or else I'm not interested. |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. . |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Ah, so its actually just ONE thread. |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
110. Actually ... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. How about this rationalization. The second thread called out the mods and was thus a clear case... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. Now would be the perfect time to call me a dick again, like you did up thread |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. edit - I'm sorry, I'm getting way out of line this morning. |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. This is politics |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
74. I am an Obama supporter...but I sure don' t hate Hillary...I really |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
80. Don't hate us all Miz DBE! |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #80 |
109. Goodness, no, I don't hate any of you |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
82. I tried this yesterday... |
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Mother Of Four (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
84. ... |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
98. When people criticise Hillary it is not an attack on all women it's HRCs polices and campaigning.... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Huh? -- That's not what this thread is about |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
102. Nothing shocks me anymore in this forum. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
108. DBE, I am sorry for you. However, there are idiots on both sides and there |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
114. No, no, please, don't repeat it, just hit the fucking road. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. zOMG! You are not sufficiently emotionally moved by a DUer threatening to leave! |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. That would finally give this thread a purpose. nt |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
115. Calm down |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
120. Imagine yourself in the shoes of a Black Muslim woman... |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #120 |
129. I would respond the same way to racism as to sexism |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
121. I cannot believe it either. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
125. I hear you loud and clear |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
130. Maybe you're taking the primaries a wee bit too seriously? It's politics... |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
131. I realize that I should not have posted this since I have no desire to rehash what prompted it |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
134. We don't hate Hillary, just some of her tactics. BE FAIR !! |
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