Let me make it clear - Democratic Underground is NOT Obama Underground.

[Hawkeye-X]

We support _ALL_ Democratic nominees/candidates/senators/congresscritters/important people.

DU is not focused on just Obama, people. We also have local politicans who are also looknig to run for national office and beyond.

I know most of you guys (I just don't mean the Hillary supporters) are starting to sound like sour grapes and calling DU Obama Underground. For that, I'll tell you a little story...

Back in '04, when the Clark, Kerry and Dean wars got VERY nasty, Skinner and the mods has decided to ban most of the vocal Deaniacs (myself included) and I happen to be a co-founder along with the few DU'ers that I will respectfully not name a clone of DU - called Dean Underground. It was solely an echo chamber for Howard Dean supporters, and we eventually grew out of it, and although most of us are still Deaniacs, we have decided to establish a sounding boards for everyone, conservative, moderate, and even liberals to say their piece and see what other people think - sounds familiar - it was similar to Democratic Underground. Unfortunately, Skinner will not allow me to name the website, but it still exists, even after 4 years. If you are curious as to what it is, please PM me, and I will pass the information.

Believe me, folks, Hillaryis44.org and other Hillary echo chambers will also evolve to something else, same with the other candidate websites. Some will be defunct, some will just be a blogsite, but remember, Democratic Underground has always remained the same - it is not Obama Underground, Hillary Underground, Kucinich Underground, Republican Underground, or any other Undergrounds. Democratic Underground will always be Democratic Underground.

So my suggestion to you all, for those who think this is Obama Underground, don't. It is not. There are other places other than GD-P to visit, so it's just not Obama 100% all day, 24/7/365.

And happy leap day everyone.

Hawkeye-X

[Occam Bandage]

1. Let me make it clear: It will be by March 5th.

Yeah, I know your point. But if you really can't stand Obama, this will not be the appropriate site for you after Hillary drops out.

[backscatter712]

5. Beat me to it.

After Mar. 4th, she will not be able to win.

Obama will be the presumptive nominee.

And, well, you know the rules on DU...

[Occam Bandage]

8. And while, as OP says, there certainly will be much mention of other Democrats,

Obama-McCain will dominate the discussion, much as Kerry-Bush did. Sure, there'll be other races (I'm sure Franken-Coleman will get some discussion), but it'll be Obama Underground for the most part.

[Usrename]

36. Don't forget Shirley Golub!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=96603&mesg_id=96603

[Hawkeye-X]

7. I suggest that you look at my posts as of recently...

Do I look like a Hillary supporter?

[Occam Bandage]

11. I know you're not a Hillary supporter. My point is only that

those who find this place "Obama Underground," and are irritated by that, will find that things will only get worse after March 4th, and will not get better until the election.

Edit: The "you" was not you in particular, but was a general pronoun. I should have written, "If one really can't stand..."

[JVS]

16. Barely any of the old Deaniacs are Hillary supporters this time.

In fact one interesting thing is that I've noticed some DIE-HARD Kerry people from even before he won Iowa who have come out for Obama with guns blazing. To think what enemies we once had who are now allies.

[rox63]

30. Yep, about 80% of the regulars on the DU John Kerry forum have been supporting Obama

I'm one of them. :hi:

[Bongo Prophet]

45. Amen to that - Kerry supporter here who NEVER insulted a Dean person, or Dean either!

I always liked the good Dr. and supported the 50 state strategy as essential to reawakening the party from ground up.
He was just a 2nd choice, and same for Clark as an alternate. Matter of fact, we had a rich selection, outside of joementum.
So, no enemy here, just fellow dem wing of the dem party paople, now totally for Obama.

It's way too nasty this year. bleh.
check out the Fort worth pics of the rally, and also the clinton rally will be on c-span at 1:45 ET, according to their site. (11 am cst in realtime, I think.)

[Eurobabe]

23. Wow when the trolls clear out who will we have to talk to?

:shrug:

crickets anyone?

[nolabels]

49. Those freeps will be having kind of a hard time adjusting, shouldn't we feel sad for them too?

(chirp , chirp )

[LWolf]

48. Bullshit.

GDP won't be a great forum, but there's the rest of DU.

Unless you are suggesting that there can't possibly be any discussion of substance that isn't about Obama. :eyes:

[SoFlaJet]

2. don't you know

the whole WORLD is against poor wittle Hillary?

[Beausoir]

18. Childish and petty.

[emilyg]

29. I'm not.

[The Anti-Bush]

3. I think we are well aware of that.

Skinner himself has reminded us of that. And quite frankly, there is generally just as many Hillary threads as Obama... Both positive and negative.

[Araxen]

4. March 5th it will be.

[eleny]

6. It is not over...

I'm supporting Obama but have no doubt that Hillary is "FIERCE!" In a Project Runway sort of way. I'm not counting her out - no way - no how.

And will vote for her come November if it all shakes out that way.

[Eurobabe]

24. me too, but I admit sometimes it is really hard

to write her and her obnoxious supporters off. obamaunderground.god my ass!

[Eurobabe]

9. If I see that in SIG LINES I am alerting the MODS, this is bullshit

and petty sour grapes.

You know who you are with this in your signature lines. I'm calling you out.

Pick on the cons in your sig lines, not another Democrat.

Notice mine?

[Hawkeye-X]

12. I agree. That was one of the reason I made this post..

I thought looking at the signature of that "Obama Underground.God" was absolutely insulting.

Hawkeye-X

[Eurobabe]

21. I already alerted the mods to 2 people

[Kukesa]

47. But it's still there in posts as recent as last night. n/t

[Hepburn]

41. IMO....

...it is very uncool to pervert the name of this forum in order to slam a Dem Candidate. And, yeah, unless the sig line goes, then IMO the person using it needs to go.

If someone slams DU with each and every post made, then they really do not need to be here with the rest of us DUers.

[Shine]

10. I just hope DU can unify behind whoever gets the Dem nomination

I'll be so glad when it's finally clear, one way or the other, who is moving forward and we can hopefully STOP with all this nasty in-fighting.

:(

It does not serve us.

[Vinca]

13. I love posts that assume the Obama supporters have been

treated nicely here. We've been called all kinds of insulting names and the current snarky post here is more of the same. If you don't want to read a post, scroll on by.

[Occam Bandage]

14. He is not claiming that Obama supporters are being jerks. Read it again.

[Vinca]

17. Thanks for setting me straight. I've got to slow down and stop speed reading. nt

[MichiganVote]

19. I don't read anything snarky in the posts of anyone on this thread.

[Eurobabe]

22. or use the ignore user, hide thread feature

This is why I have gotten just as snarky and I have 150+ morons on my ignore list!!

I am not taking anybody's f'ing shit.

[mmonk]

15. I doubt anyone coming in here (GD: P)

will think it's Obama Underground.

[Blue_Roses]

20. ..

well said.:toast:

[Orsino]

25. I know it might seem that way...

...but it's just a result of a majority of opinion. Nothing is stopping hillary supporters from posting as fervently as Obama's.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that anyone's advocating shutting down opinion.

[terrya]

26. Nevermind

[MyNameGoesHere]

27. it is my hope

that if Obama is president that those people here that support him fervently will remember to actually hold his feet to the fire and make him deliver on what little he has promised. I still don't get the 16 month withdrawal thing though, seems like that would enrage me if i supported Obama.

[sendero]

43. HRC can't deliver what she promised..

... and neither can Obama. They can make a good faith effort, and that is all that can be expected.

I don't think many people vote for a president based on line items in his/her agenda, because most of us understand that campaigns are about aspirations not certainties. Rather, they vote for the person that wins their trust.

Obama has done a better job of winning that trust whether you think that is fair or not. I expect him advocate policies that mirror his aspirations, and if we're lucky enough to get control of Congress I think there will be some CHANGES.

[Skinner]

28. Ahem.

In 2004, we didn't "decide to ban most of the vocal Deaniacs." We banned people who repeatedly broke the rules, regardless of which candidate they supported. It's been four years since that primary. I think it's time for the "Skinner purged Dean supporters" falsehood to come to an end.

Oh, by the way, I voted for Dean in the DC primary in 2004. I think enough time has passed so I can make that public.

[JVS]

31. You're right. Some got banned, some left, some (like me) stayed.

I never thought that you were being unfair to Dean supporters, The only problem I had was that there seemed to be a huge influx of Clark supporters who came from nowhere and were a holy terror to behold. But that's hardly something to blame mods and admin for.

[GumboYaYa]

34. Words...just words.....:)

[Hawkeye-X]

35. I think I did go too far back in '04.

But at least I was humble enough to apologize and have set myself straight ever since. I just don't want a repeat of the same fiasco of '04.

Hawkeye-X

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

38. What are you some kind of crazy hippie?

:evilgrin:

[NashVegas]

42. Skinner, Damn

How you must have been sitting on your hands through all that ...

[GumboYaYa]

32. Deanunderground...those were the days.....

It was pretty nasty around here back then. People I argued with daily in 2004 are some of my best friends on DU now. All bad things pass.

[Beacool]

33. Well, you could have fooled me..................

:shrug:

[NavyDavy]

37. damn straight its not.....its for all dem politicians even the ones

some hate

[El Supremo]

39. Sure it is. Just look at the new logo courtesy of a member >>

[GeorgeGist]

40. Thanks for pointing out ...

the obvious to all the other children here.

[NashVegas]

44. As I Recalls It

Most of the Dean peeps who were banned were people who went above and beyond acceptable posting. Not that I blamed anyone.

I remember that after a certain point - somewhere between September and November, but especially after Clark got into the race - it wasn't possible for Dean supporters to have a discussion about their candidate without being treated the way a dog treats a fire hydrant. People were pissed.

The individual candidate supporter groups didn't exist, there was no where else to go to but to another site.

You talk about the Hillary is 44 site, to me that site looks like such a joke I find it hard to believe it's not disinformation.

Nonetheless, Obama supporters have absolutely no right, at this time, to demand they be treated with kid gloves. He's not the Nominee.

[Demagitator]

46. I agree...

everyone is basically seeking the same goal which a to have a true democracy, in this great country as ours. We should be the ones with the power, and it should not even matter who our politicians, or leaders are. We give them to much power, make them into gods, and when we do that they are bound to fail -- because they are human beings just like you and I.

A politician only has as much "control" over your lives as you give him. Give them none, and force them to be more democratic, in a true democracy.

[MethuenProgressive]

50. If Obama wins the Nom the HillaryHaters will fade away. And only we Democrats will remain.

Actual supporters of Obama, and supporters of other candidate who will support our nominee no matter who will remain. Things will get back to normal once they're gone.