In 2006 Hillary Charged To Her Campaign $1500 Per Haircut - $3000 For Makeup Consults

[JimGinPA]

Per Matt Taibbi this morning. Kind of makes John Edwards $400 haircuts look cheap by comparison.




:wow:

[NightWatcher]

1. we dont need this. we are winning on issues. this is just gonna cause a stink

let's be bigger people

[catgirl]

12. Edwards got blasted

Though this is really something for her campaign mgr(s) and donors to get
upset about, if at all.

[Skinner]

2. Considering the amount of flack Hillary Clinton has taken about her hair over the last 15 years...

...she can pay as much as she wants for a haircut for all I care. She's earned it.

[Independent-Voter]

5. Can't say it's helped her much. A $29 Flowbee would have served her well

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. she charged it to her campaign though

that's the key thing.

Her supporters are paying for that.

Do you think they would have donated if they knew their hard-earned money was going for $4,500 worth of facial upkeep?

[Skinner]

9. Probably, yes, they would have donated.

But if her donors are upset about it, that's certainly their prerogative.

[THUNDER HANDS]

20. if they're upset

they probably wouldn't admit it publically though.

[northzax]

28. would you be upset

to learn that Barack Obama spent campaign funds on makeup and haircuts? bet he did.

[THUNDER HANDS]

35. how much could his haircut cost?

it's practically a buzz cut.

If he spent more than $1000 all year, I'd be shocked.

[JVS]

His haircuts better be cheap. He barely grows it out to any length at all!

[northzax]

38. that means it is probably weekly

$25 minimum a week (since people have to come to him, not vice versa anymore) times 52 weeks...hey look, a thousand dollars on haircuts. TV is expensive, people.

[JVS]

42. You gotta be joking. Everyone I know who keeps such short hair does it himself.

I could get buzzed for 8-12 bucks a week if I wanted to go to a barber for it,

[THUNDER HANDS]

43. my hair is about as short as his, probably shorter

I get it cut once a month. Some people's hair grows slow. Mine does.

I pay $9 per cut to keep it as short as I do.

$9 a month is a little over $100 a year.

[northzax]

46. your barber comes to you?

for nine bucks? impressive.

[THUNDER HANDS]

47. Supercuts...

it's like a 10 minute drive for me.

[tabasco]

70. I gave myself "The Obama" this week for free.

Beats paying a barber ten bucks to do the same.

So my $10 clippers paid for themselves.

[Debi]

77. Why don't you check his FEC reports to see if he did

rather than float it to see if anyone takes the bait?

[northzax]

22. since it was for TV appearences?

and campaigning in general?

what would you care to wager that Barack Obama billed his campaign over $1000 last year for makeup consultants as well?

[THUNDER HANDS]

26. I have no idea how much makeup he uses or has charged

but it can't be anything close to $3,000.

[northzax]

36. how many television appearances has he made?

someone's putting that makeup on him every time. think that person is free?

[THUNDER HANDS]

44. maybe he uses the in-house makeup people from the networks

I'm sure Hillary wants greater control over her makeup and has her own person do it.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. When I donate to a political candidates campaign I have enough

trust in that individual to use my money where it needs to be used or I wouldn't be supporting them for public office. If they decide to get a haircut and facials, buy doughnuts and pizza or pay for motel rooms it doesn't make any difference to me. It's all got to be paid for and it all comes out of the same pot.

[LSK]

31. how much of the campaign is appearance???

This is basic 101 common sense here. Whats so hard to grasp????

:shrug:

[samdogmom]

41. Seriously $1,500 for a haircut!!!!!!! Give. Me. A. Break.!!!!!!

That dollar amount is simply beyond belief--at most it takes 60 minutes to cut hair--so how can any professorial be worth $1,500/hour? Anyway, I just don't believe these stories being thrown around, sorry! If someone proves me wrong, I will admit I'm an idiot! But, in the meantime please don't try to slime her with this stuff.

I'm an Obama supporter. And, even I find it very hard to believe that Hillary would use her campaign dollars for this type of personal benefit!

[NorthernSpy]

55. Apolitical comment: there's NOTHING you can do to hair that's worth $1,500.

Yeah, I'm sorta cheap, but damn...


:wtf:

[Eurobabe]

60. A few extra scheckles for the Botox. n/t

[greguganus]

72. Mortar ain't cheap these days. n/t

[blm]

75. Actually, I think donors expect it. The road is a hard place to be for ANYONE, even if

you are young. Almost anyone in front of cameras for 12-16 hours a day needs constant maintenance.

[Lucinda]

14. Yup.

[cali]

30. Well, I sympathize with that pov

but I do think that when one has $30,000,000 or so in the bank, it behooves one to pay for such things as haircuts and make-up, out of your own pocket.

Yikes. I'm channeling my mother.

[BigDaddy44]

63. She ISN'T paying for it

Her campaign is paying for it. Big difference.

[cbayer]

3. Is that the best you got?

This is ridiculous.

The very least you could do is back it up.

But even then it would be one of the silliest threads I have seen here.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. wow

what's Obama's haircut cost? Eight dollars?

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[onehandle]

8. Ah! I love it when Democrats read from the Karl Rove handbook.

Makes me so proud.

DU = Free Republic.

[zbdent]

13. we have been forming a circular firing squad, haven't we?

I've tried to keep from hitting our own ... I don't like negative attacks on our people. However, Joe Lieberman and Zell(out) Miller ain't no Dem any more ...

[Autumn]

10. I donate money to her campaign,

and thats fine with me. I consider it a good investment.

[Blu Dahlia]

11. That does seem excessive, but she isn't running on the Two Americans thing

[Independent-Voter]

17. Have you been watching the last couple of weeks? HRC's been doing the victim populist thing

[grantcart]

15. I think when any of the candidates are going in front of national audiences

in High Definition where they can count how many freckles they have - they should be excused for whatever the hell they pay for hair/cosmpetics

And she is getting her money's worth - she really does look great.

[Divernan]

45. It's called botox,

I thought she had the world's best makeup artist, because the age appropriate wrinkles and sags have
completely disappeared. She looks like she's 30 years old in the debates. But my more sophisticated NYC friends told me it was the latest generation of botox injections, which can even raise your eyebrows! As a feminist, I hate to see women resort to injecting chemicals into their faces.

There was a picture of her together with Bill on Huff. Post last week or so, and they both looked their age, wrinkles, sags and all. Huff. also had a screen capture picture of her in the debate. Seeing those two pics on the same page highlighted the tremendous difference.

If you're running on 35 years experience, why isn't it OK to look your age? Expensive clothes and hair style fine - but "I'm ready for my shots, Mr. DeMille" is too much.

[grantcart]

52. this is an area where I agree with Clinton supporters - there is a

terrible sexist double standard - her looks will recieve a great deal more of scruitiny than any of the guys

[Divernan]

61. The same holds true for Nancy Pelosi, but she hasn't gone to such extremes

Perhaps botox is more of an age issue - cause a lot of male talking head newscasters with the incredible hair styles also use it to look younger.

[Beaverhausen]

73. it's not botox - see below

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-ig-makeup20jan20,1,5356831.story?page=1&ctrack=2&cset=true

But it was Clinton's dewy, youthful, wrinkle-free face that really caught people's attention. "I must have gotten a thousand e-mails about that afterward," Soterion says.

"Everyone wanted to know how I did it, what products I used. Things were crazy."

(For the record, Soterion says she has never seen evidence that Clinton has had Botox, and her flawless face had more to do with the light-reflective powder that's her stock in trade, along with the bright lights of the venue.)

[JimGinPA]

88. Someone Said That In Another Thread

But she didn't have any wrinkles, even when she smiled.

[greguganus]

74. Boxtox is botulinum...so she's getting a biological weapon injected into her face? n/t

[yardwork]

78. "Why isn't it OK to look your age?" That's a good question.

Unfortunately, the reality of politics in this country is that anyone running for president has their appearance scrutinized.

It's much easier for a man to look well-groomed. As others have pointed out, Obama wears a buzz cut and nice suits and he looks fantastic. If Hillary wore her hair in a buzz cut, how far would she get in politics? Women are expected to look great all the time - perfectly coiffed hair, perfect makeup, perfect nails, perfect clothes. And women are not allowed to look their age.

I don't know how Hillary does it. Her hair and makeup and clothes look perfect in every photograph, and we know that there are tons of photographers trying to make her look bad.

I don't care how much individual politicians spend on their appearance. It's part of the cost of running for office. It would be a better country if this were not true, but it is.

[Occam Bandage]

16. So what? She isn't presenting herself as an Edwardsian Scourge of the Rich, and politicians

are expected to look nice. Lord knows she gets enough cracks about her appearance as it is.

[fenriswolf]

21. cracks "in" her appearance

:rofl:

[flyarm]

18. i guess no one here has ever gone to a top hairdresser..in L.A. or NYC?

go look up what Mitt Romney paid for his makeup consult..

please people..see what makeup artists get that work on films and tv..see what the annual income is from make-up staff for news companies..are americans really this silly or ignorant..we live in a media world..

get a good look at your sports broadcaster or weather man..they all wear make up...and have their hair done ..

stop the silliness will ya?

fly

[napi21]

19. Perrfect example of how THE WORLD discriminates against women!

Haircuts cot more
Dry cleaning costs more
Clothing alterations cost a LOT MORE
We are required to BUY more clothes because "god forbid" we wear the same thing twice in one week!
To look GOOD we HAVE to wear makeup, even if it's the kind that makes us look like were NOT wearing any!

Do you REALLY want to get into a men v/s women argument here?

[tabasco]

83. My girlfriend doesn't wear makeup.

It seems to me that is a choice women make.

[napi21]

87. Some do of course, but the majority by far do! Take a look at the

profits in the cosmetic industry some time, and you'll recognize that my statement is true!

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. i will say that if Obama had charged the campaign $5,000 for a suit

or $3,000 for new shoes. I'd be pissed off about where my money was going.

But that's just me.

[Hippo_Tron]

32. I would have absolutely no problem with it, many people vote based on appearances

I can't say I'm happy about that but that's the way it is. $5,000 is nothing in the context of a campaign. If Barack spent that on a nice suit to wear giving his acceptance speech at the convention or debating McCain I'd say it's money well spent given the millions of people that will be watching.

[THUNDER HANDS]

37. I'd say, in response

that the money people donate to campaigns should be used for the machinery of the campaigns. The staff, the transportation, the food, ect.

Things like clothing, makup, hair... that should be paid for by the candidates themselves.

[Independent-Voter]

58. Exactly. Break our your own wallet/purse/changejar and pay whatever you want.

[Hippo_Tron]

64. IMO if the candidates can afford it I think it's smart to do it for themselves

Simply because it's smart to use every penny contributed wisely. If you can get away with spending your own money for campaign related things, you should do so.

But I feel like at this level of the game, appearances are so important that if a candidate is of modest means, I wouldn't have a problem of them spending money on hair, makeup, or clothing. This isn't a local race where some sleazy people choose to get in just so that they can spend other peoples' money on whatever they want. This is a race for the presidency and people don't spend money on vanity items for the sake of doing so. If they spend money on vanity items it is because they get votes from appearances. The entire point of spending money is to get more votes and so I really don't see a huge problem with it.

[Hippo_Tron]

65. Dupe n/t

[saracat]

39. And I will bet you he has. he doesn't wear inexpensive suits.

[NorthernSpy]

57. I agree...

Yes, appearances count. But still: political candidates aren't actors hired onto a movie set. They should pay for their own clothes and grooming out of their own pockets, just like the rest of us do.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. Given the shallow culture we live in, it was money well spent

[LSK]

25. CAN WE DROP THIS STUPID ISSUE PLEASE????

These are national candidates. They are on TV all the time. They are not going to the nearest Bo-Rics for a $10 haircut.

GET SOME PERSPECTIVE PLEASE.

This includes ALL OF THEM.

[Orangepeel]

29. this "issue" was trivial and silly when it was about Edwards and it is silly and trivial now. n/t

[hfojvt]

49. many working people never really saw it as that trivial

It's an example of how rich people can blithely spend outrageous sums of other people's money on inconsequential things for themself. Edwards also quickly admitted it was a mistake, and it was ridiculous to spend that much and he reimbursed his campaign.

[Orangepeel]

50. He said that it was an error to charge it to the campaign

but he never, as far as I know, said it was ridiculous to spend that much. I remember him saying that, yes, he lives a privileged life and wants to give other people the chances that he had.

Personally, I think that rich people ought to pay a lot for services provided to them by others. Better they should be cheap? The person who traveled to Edwards to cut his hair, giving up other business to do so, deserves to make a good living, too.

[JimGinPA]

85. I Think Charging It To The Campaign Is Wrong Too.

[LostinVA]

33. It was stupid with Edwards & it's stupid now

This is the sort of shit normally Republicans sink to resorting to. We should be better than that.

[JVS]

34. That's ok. Women's haircuts are generally more expensive, and lots of attention is paid to her looks

[leftynyc]

40. Oh so now we're using puke

talking points. Honestly, I can't tell the difference between DU and FR these days.

[anonymous171]

48. I don't approve of this message. nt

[tokenlib]

51. I don't like this thread--but feel it is a legitimate topic.....

There are many economic worlds out there. There is one out there where people can't even afford $12-15 for a male haircut and cut it themselves or get a Flowbee for about $59, or let it grow. When my wife gets her hair done, it's a treat because we have to scrape up the money for it.

Honestly, the Edwards haircut troubled me because I could not imagine being able to afford a haircut at even a quarter of the cost. And I think it hurt him more than people realize--because it was part of the America most of us are out of touch with. And I admire Edwards. I don't want to know what Obama spends--because if it is too much I'll feel the same way.

It isn't so much WHO is spending so much. It is the amount they are spending. A lot of us can't imagine having the disposible income for what we consider outrageous prices. It is a lousy issue--but a real one because it reminds us of the limited, suffocating financial realities that some of us live in.

[RiverStone]

53. Well said and I agree

Though Hillary is not alone - many famous folks live with such obscene luxury that most of us can't even comprehend it.

She paid $300 more for her hairdo then I just paid for my 20 year ol Honda CRX - a car I just bought because I could no longer afford to pay the gas prices driving a pick-up. So I sold it and bought a car that gets 45mpg - even with 210K miles on it.

So that is reality - the haircut cost is crazy - but it is a reality of the wee-to-do. Shrub yesterday had no clue that gas prices could hit $4.00 a gallon...

[Independent-Voter]

62. OT - I had a CRX back in the day, loved that damn thing.

[Hippo_Tron]

66. I don't agree, when you're on television all of the time it's a business expenditure

Honestly if I had the money for $400 haircuts I wouldn't get them because I simply don't need them. But when you're on television as much as these people are, it's money well spent. ESPECIALLY for female candidates where people are constantly critiquing their looks.

If Hillary or Edwards were not politicians I'd say by all means criticize them for the lavish amount that they spend on haircuts. But in today's image obsessed culture, I think it's money well spent considering what they are doing.

[JimGinPA]

54. Taibbi Was Doing An Interview About The Press Being "Herd Animals"

And the conversation was about her recent complaining that she wasn't being treated "equally" by the press now that she's been running behind. He was saying that the good stories were about Obama now because he's ahead and the press, and if it seems like "piling on" her now it wasn't the case when she was the "inevitable" nominee. He said they piled on Edwards about the $400 haircut and pointed out the irony.

I said yesterday in one of those "Say something good about your opponent" threads I thought her hair style was becomming and a week ago I started a thread asking about how she was made to look so good (and much younger} during the debate in Ohio. I wasn't slamming her for it, I just thought the answer was interesting and that it's maybe a little bizarre that she would charge those expenses to her campaign.

[Blue_Roses]

56. well, in her defense...

if you can afford it and need it, then go for it:D

[Zookeeper]

59. She's in a no-win situation as far as maintaining her appearance.

She can pay for the best or she can get trashed for looking less than perfect.

Remember Limpballs' comment about America not wanting to watch her grow old.

[Warren Stupidity]

67. I kind of don't give a shit about this sort of vapid crap.

[trashcanistanista]

68. Sorry, I have to say

that she got her money's worth, she looks fantastic. If nothing else, she looked good throughout her campaign. Edwards paid the 400 for the haircut because he missed his appointment and wanted to pay them for their efforts. He is still the best looking candidate, with or without an expensive haircut. If I were Hillary, I would have done the same thing.

[nonconformist]

69. Wasn't it Obama supporters that were attacking Edwards haircuts here before?

Yeah, I don't forget.

And honestly, Hillary looks FABULOUS, so go her!

[Bucky]

71. But she looks fantastic!

Clearly she was laying the ground work to charge John Edwards with plagiarism too.

[NastyRiffraff]

76. Here we go again...

I don't know and don't care how much Obama or Hillary pays for a haircut, makeup or clothes. Neither do you. It's a non-issue. We have plenty to argue about besides this kind of crap.

[Infinite Hope]

79. EVERYONE EMAIL THIS TO CNN/MSNBC. N/T

[Tennessee Gal]

80. Who cares?

This doesn't have a damn thing to do with anything.

[tabasco]

82. H. Clinton's campaign was broke after Super Tuesday.

But $1500 haircuts are irrelevant?

[anigbrowl]

81. At least she was in the hands of professionals - video link

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/44.aspx ...unintentionally ironic.

[B2G]

84. She must be going to Edward's guy

;)

[spinbaby]

86. So?

A public figure on TV a lot needs to look good and I'll be the first to say she looked fabulous at the debates. It's a non-issue. And I'm an Obama supporter.