Obama Is Advertising On Rush Limbaugh In Texas Markets

[THUNDER HANDS]

A reader writes:

I just heard a legitimate Obama ad on the Rush Limbaugh program out of WBAP in Dallas. I was astonished, but this kind of thing shows his genius and ability to think outside the box in reaching out to Rush’s very large audience in Texas.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/02/a-sign-of-the-t.html

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I agree. I think it's a smart move.

I'm sure, however, some will disagree.

[jlake]

1. So now Obama supports Rush Limbaugh.....literally. Gad, it keeps getting worse!

[tabatha]

26. Some Repub running against DIck Durbin is advertising on this site.

So DU supports republicans?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

69. brilliant: the only way to get truth on AM radio is to buy commercial time

shoot, this is smart as heck. What a way to open minds!

Normally Rush Limpballs owns the air on those stations.

This is hilarious, Limpballs must be convulsing!

[movonne]

28. Like Hillary supports faux....

[my3boyz]

42. Awww..what's wrong? Upset that Billary can't afford it? nt

[Occam Bandage]

46. Actually, not one cent goes to Limbaugh. But whatever.

[dsc]

58. totally untrue

Limbaugh's production company, of which he is a large share holder, gets a percentage of each and every ad.

[Recursion]

98. Well, no. Radio advertising markets are more complex than that

It's possible they took a buy that Limbaugh's company gets a share of. But every station has a set of local buys that they don't have to share with the talent on air at the time.

Now, you could argue that the ad revenue is part of the budget that pays for Limbaugh's show, I suppose, but at that point you might as well boycott Snapple.

[Forkboy]

54. Try to go one day without being a simpleton.

[jlake]

96. Attention: Obama supporters - your contributions are being funneled to Rush Limbaugh.

[Forkboy]

107. Couldn't even make it a couple hours.

[sniffa]

103. Ignored has that tendency

If only there were programs to help.

[Hawkeye-X]

113. Have you heard of bundled advertising?

Of course not!

Go look it up, you just made yourself look incredibly stupid.

God, people like you are WHY i cannot wait for March 4th to come any sooner, and Hillary concedes and goes away for good on March 5th.

[jlake]

114. I don't think that is how this happened - and even if so, the fact remains.

[1awake]

118. why not.. Rush openly advocates for Hillary... n/t

[TwilightGardener]

2. Rush spent most of his program time today bashing Barack and Michelle--

for anyone who doubts where the true threat lies to the Repub party, you only have to see who they're attacking, daily, relentlessly.

[NightWatcher]

3. is it a rush station or a local talk station?

my 'rush' station is the only talk station in town.

He IS working to unite all the people

[HERVEPA]

5. Yehh, that'll work

[texastoast]

4. I heard one on one of the blathering RW talk shows in Houston

on our former "news" station, 740 KTRH.

It was great. The pundit was busy bashing Obama then they cut to Obama's ad.

Hysterical.

[Labors of Hercules]

66. You just nailed it.

TONS of people have the delusion that radio stations CHOOSE what ads they air. They don't make the connection that just because they hear an Obama ad on a right wing talk radio station, doesn't mean the station is pro-Obama.

It is an awesome strategy, (And says a lot about how effective his hands-on "speak with our enemies" foreign policy would be...)

[tammywammy]

6. There aren't any liberal/progressive talk stations in the DFW area

So if Obama or Clinton want to reach the AM listeners, then they'll be on a conservative talk station. :shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. LOL

Considering DUers are always admitting to listening to Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly etc. (because they want to hear what the opposition has to say :eyes: ) it sounds like a good idea to me.

[rasputin1952]

38. Hey...I occasionally listen to Windbaugh...but Hannity, Beck,

O'Reilly and especially The Savage Weiner are simply too much to take.

They all suck, but the windbag is lesss worse than the others.

[Perky]

8. Actually He is not advertising on the show. HE IS NOT GIVING MONEY TO LIMBAUGH

He buys time during midday period and the station decides when to broadcast the ad.

[Skip Intro]

20. BS. That's not how advertising works. It costs much more to run at 5pm than 3am.

The Obama people aren't going to sign onto having their ads run whenever the station decides, because the time the ad runs determines how much the ad costs. If you're paying for the ad, you know this.

Sorry, you're wrong.

[Perky]

39. NO I am not.....You buy furing time blocks

Everher of the term "drive time"???? Ever hear of neisen ratatings and sweeps. Rates are based on time slots and market share during that time slot.


The ad revenue foes to the Station not to Limbaugh,

[texas_indy]

43. Yep, why only an idiot would prefer to advertise at 5 pm instead of 3 am, After all,

just think of the 6 people who would hear that ad at 3 am as compared to the hundreds that would hear it at 5pm. LOL



Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[Skip Intro]

73. yeah, lol, that was the point. The O camp had to have known they were buying time on a high rated

show - therefore, shouldn't take a genius to figure out that the ad would run during limbo.

lol?

so let him pander, who cares, he is but a blank screen, after all, whatever anyone wants him to be, might as well perform for the ditto-heads too, every vote counts, I guess...

[texas_indy]

88. WOW, OMG!! LOL ...You believe that any ad on a specific show is an endorsement of that show!!!

Amazing, so any ad on Jerry Springer is an endorsement for him!! OMG, that is so ridiculous it is funny.

And what do the ads support for the newscast? More news, violence, or weather??

And everyone remember, any ad during a war movie supports war, killing and death according to some Hillary supporters.

OMG, History Channel made a show recently on the sexual practices of the romans empire. I bet that means you think all the advertisers during that show must support sexual practices of the romans empire! LOL LOL LOL



GET 'ER DONE!!


Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[bvar22]

84. Hey, Hillary is up answering the phone at 3AM.

Maybe she would like to listen to a nice Obama ad.

[Recursion]

100. You know what block it's in

You don't know when in that block it plays. Radio isn't like TV

[AZBlue]

104. Actually that's not true. I buy media - I don't buy it during any specific time

on any TV or radio station that I buy. Ever. It could run at 3 am or 3 pm - I run that risk.

[texas_indy]

24. Don't confuse them with facts. LOL It only gets them more excited about their lies.

Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[totodeinhere]

30. Correct. Those were probably local ad buys.

The ads were probably placed on the local station. They were not placing ads on Limbaugh's national program. The ads would appear on the local station regardless of what program the local station is running. Limbaugh and the company that syndicates his program won't get any money from those local ads, so it's not correct to say that "Obama is supporting Limbaugh."

[LTR]

32. That's right - Obama isn't paying Lowbrow

These are local buys. Though Lowbrow's affiliates do pay to carry his show, in addition to airing network ads (a.k.a. 'barter').

A client can choose when to run the ads, or just do a general buy, where they'd air whenever.

I have to say, smart move for the Obama camp. He did that in Wisconsin too.

[GoldieAZ49]

97. Well...Kinda

The ad buys are local, true. The radio station makes the profit.

However the radio station pays for the shows they air, so they are paying Rush to air his show, and they are paying big bucks because Rush has a HUGE listening audience.

Thus the local radio station can charge the highest rate for the commercials that reach the largest audience.

Make no mistake, when you purchase radio ads you choose the daypart it airs in based on how many people you want to reach and how much you are willing to pay.



Now here is the real kicker:

Rush is asking all his listeners in Texas and Ohio to "be a democrat for a day" and to go vote FOR HILLARY, to keep the race going. He likes the attacks she is making that Repubs cannot or will not make, plus, as he puts it, it is fun to watch them go at each other.

Now all those Rush listeners hear all those Obama ads...and who knows if those dittoheads will do their masters bidding, we shall see.


Can you imagine this continuing through April and the PA primary (which is a closed primary)????? Good Grief!

[RoadRage]

9. Genius.

The guy already has a swell of democratic supporters. He knows he needs some republican & Independants to help him win a G.E.

And, there are a lot of people who listen to Rush because they despise him and want to hear what kind of crack he's selling that day. I do. I'll flip him on in the radio just so I have someone to yell back at and call an idiot over and over. For me, it's therapy.

[TheWraith]

10. I suspect it's a "package" deal, not targeted advertising.

i.e. Obama campaign buys a big chunk of airtime with a company that owns a bunch of stations, and it gets distributed through their programming.

[tokenlib]

11. When ad buys are made--I'm not sure programs where they appear are specified...n/t

[The Anti-Bush]

14. You are right. I've talked to a bunch of business owners who advertise on radio.

They don't get to pick which shows. Just overall periods of the days. But regardless, it's genious.

This country isn't just "ours" and he isn't going to just be "our" president. We already have "that" president.

[Seeker30]

65. Bullshit

I have purchased radio advertising many times in the past years on KOA radio in Denver and I chose what shows the ads were to run on. Rates were determined by the show NOT the time of day because some shows have higher ratings than others.

You can purchase a general run but even then you are supplied with what shows the ads will appear on and you can choose to have it not run on certain shows.

[L0oniX]

64. True ...like "Talk Sex" with Sue Johanson on Sunday 12 midnight has christian music ads...

on the Oxygen TV network.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUuVJW0tSc8

[indimuse]

12. in FL too!

He bashed HIllary today too...for 20 years!

[Skip Intro]

13. Well, if you can't win the Democratic nom with Democrats, I guess you gotta go mining elswhere.

What did the ad say, btw?

[THUNDER HANDS]

21. beats me

I don't live in Dallas.

Anyone else hear it?

[SeaLyons]

15. He Praises Reagan

so why wouldn't he reach out to the RW radio audience....

[jillan]

19. Good one!

[AtomicKitten]

16. Bravo!!! Obama casts a wide net with no apologies.

[Renew Deal]

17. I think it's funny.

I doubt Obama is doing it intentionally, but it must confuse the knuckle draggers that listen to Rush.

[BigDaddy44]

18. So for all you Obama fans out there....

Just a reminder.....a portion of your donation to Obama are now going into Rush Limbaugh's pockets. Ain't irony grand?

[tabatha]

27. That is NOT correct.

[BigDaddy44]

29. Huh?

You think Rush gives away time for free now?

[NeedleCast]

33. I think Rush is syndicated

and that when you buy air time, you buy it on a local radio station...you don't send it straight to Rush. Good lord.

[Kittycat]

35. You know little about local ad buys and syndication. Clearly.

I think what Obama is doing in genius! As a matter of fact, I think it would be outright comical for someone in that area to call in to the rush show and tell him. Then we can sit back and watch as blowhard has a stroke right there on the webcam (not literally - well maybe).

[BigDaddy44]

40. Are you nuts?

Rush is about one thing.... Rush. He is all ego and nothing else. He will LOVE the fact that someone thinks he's important enough to advertise on his show, and love the attention.

[GoldieAZ49]

105. Rush and the local station make a profit

The ad buys are local, true. The radio station makes the profit.

However the radio station pays for the shows they air, so they are paying Rush to air his show, and they are paying big bucks because Rush has a HUGE listening audience, allowing the radio station to charge a premium rate.

Thus the local radio station can charge the highest rate for the commercials that reach the largest audience.

Make no mistake, when you purchase radio ads you choose the daypart it airs in based on how many people you want to reach and how much you are willing to pay.



Now here is the real kicker:

Rush is asking all his listeners in Texas and Ohio to "be a democrat for a day" and to go vote FOR HILLARY, to keep the race going. He likes the attacks she is making that Repubs cannot or will not make, plus, as he puts it, it is fun to watch them go at each other.

Now all those Rush listeners hear all those Obama ads...and who knows if those dittoheads will do their masters bidding, we shall see.


Can you imagine this continuing through April and the PA primary (which is a closed primary)????? Good Grief!

[Occam Bandage]

45. Not one cent goes to Limbaugh.

[BigDaddy44]

49. It goes to the radio station

Who pays the syndicator.....who pays Limbaugh.......

Okay, its an indirect payment, i will grant you that. But it finds its way into that pocket of his (i shudder to think what exactly is IN his pockets) anyway.

[Occam Bandage]

50. Er, only in the exact same way that buying groceries puts money in Limbaugh's pocket,

because it goes to the grocery store, which runs advertisements on the station, which pays the syndicator, which pays Rush Limbaugh.

It's the exact same number of steps.

You-Obama-Station-Syndicator-Rush.
You-Store-Station-Syndicator-Rush.

[BigDaddy44]

51. c'mon.... play along with me here......

:)

[GoldieAZ49]

108. Rush charges big bucks to air his show, the radio station pays it because

they can charge big bucks to advertise during his show.

It is not a 'flat rate'

[OnionPatch]

81. If it gets some people to listen to what Obama has to say

then that's fine with me.

On the other hand, if Obama got on there with ads saying he was going to overturn Roe v. Wade or cut taxes for rich people, then I might be annoyed.

[theboss]

89. I'm sure Rush notices the additional money

Rush sleeps on a mattress stuffed with money, Oxycotin, viagra, and cancelled alimony checks.

[hedgehog]

22. You're all missing his real strategy: by advertising on Rush Limbaugh's program,

he's making all those Freeper heads explode!

[Skip Intro]

23. Would love to know what the ad says. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

109. Here is the text of the ads

Obama campaign airs new radio ads in Texas targeting black voters

(February 18, 2008) This week, the Obama Campaign began airing two new radio ads across Texas. The ads highlight Barack Obama's diverse coalition of support and commitment to addressing the tough challenges everyday Americans face.

"The choice in this election is not between religions or genders. It's not about rich versus poor; young versus old; black versus white," Senator Obama says in the ad. "It's about the past versus the future."

The spots use actuality from Obama�s speech in South Carolina following his victory in that state�s Democratic primary on Jan. 26.

See below for scripts of both ads along with links for audio.

Script: Click here to listen
I am Barack Obama and I approve this message.

After four great contests in every corner of this country, we have the most votes, the most delegates, and the most diverse coalition of Americans we've seen in a long, long time.

They are young and old; rich and poor. They are black and white; Latino and Asian & Native American. They are Democrats and Independents; and yes some Republicans. And we've got young people across this country.

The choice in this election is not between religions or genders. It's not about rich versus poor; young versus old; black versus white.

It's about the past versus the future.

Tag Vote early February 19th thru the 29th

Go to Texas.barackobama.com
Polls open Tuesday March 4th 7am to 7pm

Paid for by Obama for America.

----

Script: Click here to listen
I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message.

Forty years ago, Dr. King challenged America to act on what he called the "fierce urgency of now"

And I feel that same urgency today. The urgency of single moms like my own who struggled to make a living and do right by her kids.

I feel an urgency to close the education gap that sends so many of our children to failing schools, robbing them of their potential.

And I feel an urgency to offer our kids love and guidance and the positive role models that too many lack today.

I feel an urgency to fix a healthcare system that shuts out 47 million who don't have health insurance.

I know we can meet these challenges. If you feel that same urgency for fairness, for justice, for change, join us.


Tag (TEXAS): Vote early February 19th thru the 29th
Text TX to 62262
Go to Texas.barackobama.com
Polls open Tuesday March 4th 7am to 7pm

Paid for by Obama for America

http://www.targetmarketnews.com/storyid02180801.htm

[Me.]

25. Fearless

Taking it right to the enemie's doorstep

[greguganus]

31. Genius!!! n/t

[RiverStone]

34. Are there ANY liberal talk radio stations in TX?

Does he have a choice? Bet not...

Might as well get the word out so people will hear it.

[powergirl]

71. NO - none - not in the d/fw area - Clinton buys ads during Limbaugh's time too

maybe in Austin - but not here. There are no A.M. stations that don't have some right wing kook. I have listened to advertisements from all three candidates on these stations. There is no other place to advertise up here. I try to keep the radio on NPR.

[TexasBushwhacker]

Come on guys, you know how talk radio is

Rush Limbaugh isn't the only RW program on WBAP or any other talk radio station. It's one after another. On WBAP, you get 3 hours of Rush, and then 3 hours of Sean Hannity, then 2 hours of Mark Levin. Obama is advertising on RW talk radio, Clinton isn't. I'm not passing judgement on it, but it is what it is. Please, no spin cycle.

[TexasBushwhacker]

36. Come on guys, you know how talk radio is

Rush Limbaugh isn't the only RW program on WBAP or any other talk radio station. It's one after another. On WBAP, you get 3 hours of Rush, and then 3 hours of Sean Hannity, then 2 hours of Mark Levin. Obama is advertising on RW talk radio, Clinton isn't. I'm not passing judgement on it, but it is what it is. Please, no spin cycle.

[rasputin1952]

37. WBAP is the one who would benefit from any income...

Limbaugh's show would get zilch, WBAP just carries the show.

I occasionally listen to Windbaugh, just to see wht the he thiinks the talking points are gonna be...he has no control over what stations present as far as advertising. And if I can listen to the gasbag...other progressives do as well...:)

[GoldieAZ49]

110. yes they do, they pay more money for more listeners, posted details in thread n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. well now isn't that special

[Forkboy]

68. And did you read the thread? Or are you still in automatic idiot mode?

[Occam Bandage]

44. This is why Obama will be President and HIllary Clinton will not. He is not afraid to expand

his support base. Clinton won't go after anyone but working-class women.

[powergirl]

47. Up here in Dallas there are no Democratic talk shows

Repukes rule and they are the only game in town. So, if you want to advertise on an A.M. station in this market, you don't have a choice. Sen. Clinton runs ads on the same stations at the same time.

[tammywammy]

67. I don't listen to Rush

But I listen to 1080 or 660 while I run errands for work. I've heard both Obama and Clinton ads on them. :shrug:

[powergirl]

70. Slim pickins on radio for us North Texans

Even 1080 and 660 have a decidedly right wing stench. I've heard ads for all three candidates during Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck - all of those nimrods. Usually I listen to NPR. Also, my husband's car has satellite - which offers a lot more options. But AM is awful around here. :)

[tammywammy]

75. I don't listen to any of those shows

On 1080 I do like the Ernie & Jay show, just not when they're talking politics. Today was "do you keep a hidden stash of money from your spouse?"

[powergirl]

76. That's funny

I'm a divorce lawyer. Maybe I should have tuned in!

[riverwalker]

48. Some people just listen because they love politics

and all they have available is Rush and Hannity. It was a very smart move, very.

[Occam Bandage]

52. Many independents check in with Rush as well, simply to consider the RW perspective.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. do you even realize that you are affirming that Obama can NOT win with true Democrats? Only with....

1 time Rethuglican crossover votes

[Forkboy]

56. If you're an example of "true democrats" we're more screwed as a party than I thought.

[Occam Bandage]

57. Do you even realize that no Democrat can win the General election with true Democrats? Only with...

independents and Republican crossover votes.

[onenote]

93. have you counted up the number of "true" Democrats?

No one can win with just "true" Democrats. You need independents and/or cross over repubs.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

55. This is a very smart move by Obama

If we all know one thing about the typical Rush listener, it's that they are typically insulated from the truth due to their reliance on Limbaugh and Fox News for all of their information. They never even see any alternate viewpoints, which is why they are so convinced that they are right.

If it takes radio ads during Limbaugh's show to change a few of those minds, than so be it.

[jackson_dem]

59. Obamites are contradicting themselves on this

On the one hand they say it is "genius" for Obama to advertise on right-wing hate radio. On the other they say he didn't choose to do it but that is just the way advertising works. Which is it? Is Obama funneling money to rethugs (who savage his opponent) by sending them advertising dollars or is it happening by chance because of the nature of advertising, in which case it is random and any "genius" is not from Axlerod but from the luck of the draw.

[Why Syzygy]

60. HA! Can you imagine the outrage when his

true red listeners hear about this? How much grief are they going to give him? I never listen and never will.

[MethuenProgressive]

61. No surprise. He's aiming at his anti-Hillary base.

[jackson_dem]

62. Rethugs alone flipped Missour for him by going 75-21 for "progressive savior" obama...

[L0oniX]

63. I guess Rush is too stoned out to notice. n/t

[Unsane]

72. ARRRG We can't talk with those who disagree ever!!11one HUGH SERIES!!

[themaguffin]

74. Radio typically purchased in broad time periods (esp AM) it could have been purchased 12AM-12AM etc.

[NMMatt]

77. Wasn't Rush raising money for Hillary? -nt

[MindMatter]

78. Skinny black guy has a pair of stones for sure.

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

80. WTF?

How is this applicable here?

[MindMatter]

95. He isn't afraid to go against

the beltway conventional wisdom at every step.

"Stones" means courage (more or less).

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

116. Ahhh,

Thought you meant Santa Claus swinging more than just a sack of toys!




My bad.

[Thepricebreaker]

79. He has a huge market - reaches a lot of people - why not? get some cross over votes.. n/t

[Freida5]

82. He must be hoping Rush will go easy on him. That is just bad judgement

[Gloria]

83. I'm sure they'll all vote for him in November...not.

[avrdream]

85. And this is something to be PROUD of?

Wow, GD-P really has deteriorated.

Back to the editorials I go for some sensible discussions.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

87. What's Wrong With It?

Do you think everyone tuning into that show is a toothless, brainless, no way in hell would ever vote for a Dem ignorant freeper?

[onenote]

94. You might want to get some rest instead.

Cause your post doesn't make any sense.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. Nothin Wrong With That. The Whole Point Of Ads Is To Reach The Largest Audience Possible.

If someone argues against it, they're being quite silly. If we want to win in November, we need more people voting for the Dem this time than the Repub. To do that, we need to bring some of those that voted last time over to our side. Nothin wrong with reaching out to them, as long as the message is clear and respectable, and not one that is pandering to them by uses of bigotry, hate or stupidity.

[Forkboy]

91. Damn straight.

I'm kind of unhappy with appealing to the Right by weakening our own ideals, but if it can be done without doing so all the better. And I don't think this instance does at all.

[ecstatic]

90. I don't know how they stomach him, but many liberals listen to Rush too nt

[totodeinhere]

92. Where I live that's the only talk show on in that time period.

We either have to listen to Limbaugh or not listen to a talk show at all. Then after him we get Hannity.
That's on terrestrial radio stations. That's why I have taken to listening to talk stations on line. I like both Air America and Ray Taliaferro on KGO.

[Johnny__Motown]

99. This was posted weeks ago. He is trying to get the people who hate Clinton and McCain

[MagsDem]

101. Hey BO supporters, why don't you just vote for a rethug and be done with it?

[AZBlue]

102. Actually he's NOT.

When you buy TV pr radio advertising, you buy it on a certain station, not on a certain program.

Unless you're a sponsor of that particular program or you pay an outrageous extra amount for specific placement, which I would bet Obama's not doing and probably isn't even an option given the increased advertising primaries bring, you get put where they want to put you. It's completely arbitrary.

[medicswife]

106. hahahhaaha I think it's BRILLIANT!!!!

You catch more flies with honey....

And Limbaugh disparages McCain enough these days too....it's very, very clever.

[MindMatter]

115. Maybe this is a tactic groups like MoveOn should think about

independent of the election season. Buy ads on the Limbaugh comedy show so that his listeners will have to listen to the truth every once and awhile.

[GoldieAZ49]

111. What Rush is doing/saying around those ads and the profit

The ad buys are local, true. The radio station makes the profit.

However the radio station pays for the shows they air, so they are paying Rush to air his show, and they are paying big bucks because Rush has a HUGE listening audience.

Thus the local radio station can charge the highest rate for the commercials that reach the largest audience.

Make no mistake, when you purchase radio ads you choose the daypart it airs in based on how many people you want to reach and how much you are willing to pay.



Now here is the real kicker:

Rush is asking all his listeners in Texas and Ohio to "be a democrat for a day" and to go vote FOR HILLARY, to keep the race going. He likes the attacks she is making that Repubs cannot or will not make, plus, as he puts it, it is fun to watch them go at each other.

Now all those Rush listeners hear all those Obama ads...and who knows if those dittoheads will do their masters bidding, we shall see.


Can you imagine this continuing through April and the PA primary (which is a closed primary)????? Good Grief!

[Mezzo]

112. He should.

He makes no bones about wanting to make nice with the people who have destroyed our country for the past eight years, why shouldn't he advertise with them?

[cooolandrew]

117. He's right on messge, the more he has on his side the safer he becomes. You can't fight a real

you can't fight a real United America. :) :bounce: And once united you can mend bridges and have a safer environment for all as the anger is evaporated. The millenium begins 2009.

[stillcool]

119. OMG...Not that one America thing again...

what a traitor!:sarcasm: