BO can't even come up with an original television ad. He has to plagiarize the Clinton ad

[Freida5]

There is nothing original that has been proposed by Mr. Obama. He takes other candidates positions, borrows lines from other speeches, and now borrows television ads. It is plagiarism 24-7 in the BO campaign. And he claims to have better judgment because he gave a speech against the Iraq War at a peace rally but in the State Senate he is afraid to take positions and votes present on a lot of issues and then in the US Senate he votes with the party nearly always. Not the kind of President I want.

[helderheid]

1. ugh

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

15. Hillary plagiarized her ad from McCain.

The Clinton people are amusing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPadP7eAO9Y

[earthside]

37. And from Reagan and Dubya

Take a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceN8geCDbFg

[Abacus]

47. "If one candidate is appealing to your fears,

and the other one's appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person that wants you to think and hope."

[dana_b]

52. And from LBJ

saw this on another forum. wow, talk about old school!

LBJ's "Daisy" ad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVn9k6d1og

[adoraz]

2. plagiarize, lol. grasping here....

clearly it isn't plagiarizing when it is so obviously intentionally done as a response ad.

[MadBadger]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

[K Gardner]

3. LMAO ! I was getting ready to do a post asking when HRC camp would start screaming "PLAGIARISM"..

thanks for saving me a post and answering my question at the same time ! :hi:

Feel desperate much?

[grantcart]

27. (psssst don't tell anyone I am asking you this but you see I really hate it

when there is a post like this and I can't tell if the OP is serious or is it really a clueless Clinton supporter or is it a parody of one - I always am so embarassed when I get it wrong - my guess is that it is in fact a parody)

[K Gardner]

31. This particular poster.. I'm guessing its serious. :-)

[Nickster]

4. LoL, you folks are just way too funny for me. Just a few more days and you won't be able to post

stuff like that here.

[liberalnurse]

5. Clinton Camp should make an Ad

that shows Bill's with OB's.

copy-cat...parrot Obama. That's why he likes to go 2nd after Hillary in response to debate questions.

[ClassWarrior]

6. Must have hit home, huh?

NGU.

[jgraz]

7. DUzy!!!

Oh wait, you're serious??? :wow:

[cali]

8. LOL! I can see your're upset that he's out strategizing and out smarting

your gal at every turn. Tough. You should be used to it by now. She attacks him, and he's going to slam her hard. He takes no prisoners. He's got a killer instinct, and I saw that in him long ago. I love how handily he deflates her lame attacks.

[ecstatic]

9. Wasn't that same ad used by Mondale? Your post symbolizes

a deeper problem in the HRC campaign, which is an inability to sense the hypocrisy in your statements and actions.

[Freida5]

33. I would just like to see an original idea from BO

[SoonerPride]

65. You might not recognize an original idea if it walked in the room and shook your hand

geez louise

[Hepburn]

69. Here's one....

...he's NOT Hillary Clinton trying to be Bill Clinton! :hi:

[matcom]

10. are you 12?

:rofl:

mom's calling down to you. your mac 'n cheese is ready

[dionysus]

74. ROFL-spitting beer on monitor.. thx matcom, i'll send you an invoice....

:)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. LOL

I love satire.

[yourout]

12. Like Hillary is not following the Karl Rove "Fear" "Fear" "Fear" playbook...

Suprised they didn't just dig up some Republican adds from 2004 and change the names.

[Renew Deal]

13. Speaking of plagiarism

Hillary stole her ad from McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPadP7eAO9Y

[Yael]

20. Right down to the "3 am" tidbit.

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. sort of adds weight to the rumor that Hillary, McCain & Bush may be

working together, huh?

[jkshaw]

22. Ha! Thanks for that Bleachers.

[ficus1]

44. Ohnoes! The terrorists stole the special weapon!

More proof that Republicans think "24" is reality.

[TheDonkey]

14. this must be sarcasm

or HEAVEN help us

[GarbagemanLB]

16. And Hillary's phone ad is orignal? LMAO. What a fucking joke. Look up Mondale in 88. Jesus.

[GarbagemanLB]

17. The EXACT SAME PERSON who made Mondale's ad made Hillary's. What a joke.

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. Do you fit this description?

"A lot of young women, fanatical Hillary fans all, rushed about, seemingly unclear about what they were supposed to be doing. Other aides sat in front of computer screens, gloomily reading coverage of the campaign. Howard Wolfson and Phil Singer, the campaign's communications team, weren't speaking with anybody else, just doing their own thing, whatever that might have been. In short, it was not a happy family."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4824958

Sad......but don't take it out on Obama :hi:

[Yael]

19. You mean "refuting" it?

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Well, Other Than The Inherent Hypocrisy He Showed By Condeming It First, His Response Was Great.

It was very effective to use the same ad in the way he did. It allowed for a super quick response and totally threw the bomb back. That's EXACTLY what we want to see from our GE candidate.

[mythyc]

24. do you realize you sound like

every other whiner out there?

god, don't any of you have something substantive to say???

yawn

[cbayer]

40. With all due respect, don't you have something substantive to say?

What could possibly be helpful about a poster that calls the OP a name and then makes broadbrush statements about an entire group of people, then indicates that they find them all vapid, and then yawns.

Yeah, real inspiring stuff.

I'm not defending the OP, I am just questioning your lack of civility in addressing the issue.

[mythyc]

48. with all due respect??? where's your respect?

your rant is just as general as my lack of civility.

just exactly how does one respond with civility to the kind of highly charged, hypocritical statements the author of this thread posted?

how much more substantive can one get besides the standard bark-back argument: "hey, author of this thread: you're making sweeping generalizations without grounding a singling one in either argument or evidence. why not give us some evidence, and offer room for responses, dialogue, discourse, counter-arguments, devil's advocacy, any form of response besides your childish, vindictive attempt to insult and smear? why not give us something concrete we can chew on, and provide a well-reasoned analysis grounded in thoughtful organization of facts, careful development of points, objective explanation of circumstances, responsible evaluation of the greater pictures?"

or how about I give a point by point refutation, as other people have done, to how Hillary quote-unquote plagiarizes too, add over 20 youtube video links of her lifting lines from politicians dating back two decades, or detail yet even more links to pundits politicians and politicos dissecting the norms nuances and notions of political rhetoric and discourse? or better yet wax on for pages about how hillary stole from obama, replicating his position on iraq when it became political convenient and expedient for her, not to mention his grass roots ideals and especially (most laughable of all) his (HIS) platform and stand against special interests--or better than that point out the hypocrisy of her theft of this position when she takes the highest percentage of special interest money in all of congress. i could go on, but i think you get my point.

for argument's sake---to be comprehensive and substantive in my reply: I could build a credible case for where never mind I, but myriad respectful experts politicians etc build coherent, concrete cases for both the concreteness and integrity of his judgment, providing yet more links videos blogs etc, all of which I have stored in my profiles at sites around the internet, people who have spent their lives serving their country and humanity establishing and substantiating their credibility to form such conclusions that bear FAR more weight and consequence than some weak, vapid, whiny, puerile generalizer on a DU thread meant to do nothing more than talk shit and point fingers as if this were an elementary school playground.

Or I could futilely attempt to explain to the poster's little minute mind how the "present" voting system works in Illinois' state Senate, providing ample evidence from career politician associated in no way with Obama as proofs that this too is a baseless, ignorant claim.

Last but not least I could use all of this to form a robust, satirical argument for why I don't care in the least whether or not the poster wants "that kind of man" for a president.

SO WHY DON'T I? Because he or she and others like them have already demonstrated that, far beyond not being worth my time, they don't care one iota about conducting sustaining or respecting substantive dialogue.

SO I'M SO SORRY I OFFENDED YOU. If you really think I'm making "broad brush" statements about Hillary's camp en masse, sorry for the confusion. I mean silly stupid little spammers, for either party or candidate, who have noting substantial to say, come to DU and other sites like them to cry as load as they can, and have no other intent in mind but insult, divide, and be purposeless little children. Instead, I wrote a quick post expressing annoyance at the idiocy and moved on. I hope this substantive response is more acceptable to you, and could throw the same rant back your way. give me a break, the phrase "with all due respect" followed by your vacuous thread is not simply rhetorical but equally vitriolic as you're accusing me to be.

someone has to show civility to deserve it him or herself, and the author of this thread and other like it have proven themselves not simply incapable of such, but unworthy. I fart on their graves and could give a fuck less....

:eyes:.

i can't believe I'm kicking this waste of a thread back up to the top, but you asked for substance.... if it's so important to you, you'll reply in kind.

[cbayer]

54. Wow, point taken.

And what a freaking great response.

I read your profile and knew you had more substance than you put forth in your response.

It is very easy to just have a gut response to some of the posts here and I get worked up when I see someone who should be above that fray sink to their level. And they really thrive on that kind of reaction.

And that is why I challenged you. I acknowledge that my challenge was really no better than yours.

But I wouldn't waste my time responding to the author of that thread. I would spend it provoking you, however.

When I say, "with all due respect", I mean it.

So thanks for replying. Your outrage is understandable. I hope you will post some original pieces.

Peace.

[mythyc]

49. delete--double post b/c of internet connections

couple of typos above too, sorry....

[Freida5]

25. With the White House staffer resigning because of plagiarism, even Republican recognize theft of ide...

as wrong.

[Window]

36. Talk about beating a dead horse....

Y'all need some new material. Damn.

[rucky]

26. Dinner and a show.

Thanks for the free entertainment! :thumbsup:

[LaurenG]

28. Who Cares

obviously a bunch of people here, but really I don't care who plagiarizes whom.


Get rid of the REPUBLICANS.

[damonm]

29. the WAAAAAAHmbulance is on its way...

[workinclasszero]

30. Say what? Hillary stole her fear ad from Rove/Bush/McCain

Hillary is a Bushco fear monger. Plus she voted for the Iraq war. She is a rethug in actions, a dem in name.:puke:

[avrdream]

32. Heh, heh.

I love how the BO supporters keep bumping your thread with their insults.

Keep it going!!!!

[JimGinPA]

34. Now The Repugs Know What's In Store For Them

Thank Hillary, for running such a dirty campaign.


:hi:

[LibertyorDeath]

35. Do you know what a response is?

Apparently not.

and Clinton's ad was fear mongering Shit to begin with.

[stop the bleeding]

38. let's start jumping out of windows and running mad in the streets

I mean really what is this world coming when people act like people? oh the horror:crazy:

[ContinentalOp]

39. He has ONE original idea...

Winning. I realize that it's a concept many old school democrats have trouble dealing with. :eyes:

[Freida5]

43. That is not very original

[ProSense]

41. Hillary Xeroxes McCain ad: 3 a.m.

McCain ad: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/155558/168/352/466445">Who do you want to answer the phone?

Hillary's ad: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/155558/168/352/466445">Children

Bill on why Hillary's ad is bogus: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/155558/168/352/466445">Clinton on Fear Vs Hope

More: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/155558/168/352/466445">Hillary Plagiarized "3 AM" via McCain Youtube Video

Oh, and responding to Hillary's "plagiarized" ad is not copying it's smacking down.

[Elidor]

42. Talking points shield...

Just...too...strong....*crumples to the floor in agony*

[DearAbby]

45. Waiting for the Obama's face morphing into a dirty Terrorist

then Obama can throw back,playing the same ad, and at the end, taking off the morphing mask to show McCain, then Hillary, then McCain, then Hillary and on and on fading to black....whose side is she on?

[AZBlue]

46. WTF?

What are you talking about? Anything specific to back this up?

[AZBlue]

71. Yeah...I thought not.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

50. I want to say good riddance now, in case I miss your grand exit.

Toodle-ooo :hi:

[texas_indy]

51. Something tells me that you not gonna like next Tuesday very much. (nt)

[Forkboy]

53. I'm embarrassed to be in the same party as some of you simplistic and idiotic morans.

[BattyDem]

55. Yeah, it's a shame that politicians can't come up with original ideas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEPcJlz2wE

:eyes:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

56. When Obama isn't saying "I agree with Senator Clinton" he's rehashing her ideas & trying ...........

desperately to make them his own.

and now he lifts her ads....talk about an EMPTY SUIT and A BLANK SCREEN!!!

[ContinentalOp]

57. All of them stole it from this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UO3PAQodYg

[JackORoses]

58. Have you seen the 1964 LBJ ad? or the 1984 Mondale ad?

Hillary doesn't have an original bone in her body.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. looks the same because she hired the same man to make hers asshat

[JackORoses]

63. So how is she original in any way?

This OP lamely claimed that Obama was plagiarizing her ad. How can he plagiarize something that is not hers in the first place?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

64. oy...yes yes the sky is red...same as the kool aid

[stillcool]

59. This is worthy of a DUzy award...

[Vinca]

60. I thought it was pretty amusing the way he turned it right back on her.

Actually, after seeing Hillary's ad the first time, when they got to the part that asked who you wanted answering the phone, I was yelling, "Obama!" at the television.

[stevenleser]

61. Proud to kick this OP...

... so I can have it in My DU to laugh at tuesday night when Obama cleans HRC's clock and Wednesday when HRC concedes and endorses Obama.

Seriously, is this the best you can come up with? I'd be frigging embarrassed to post this, but hey, if you think this post represents you well...

[Thepricebreaker]

66. Lots of talk - no proof, links, etc... just a lot of hot air... and sour grapes...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

67. Not the kind of President I want.either

[Hepburn]

68. You cannot be THIS stupid....or can you???

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............:rofl:

Whoooooooooooooosh.............!!!!

[Pryderi]

70. She got pwned.

[dionysus]

72. um, you're full of shit....

[Lucinda]

73. I think it makes him look bad. We'll know soon enough.

[Tarheel_Dem]

75. answering an attack makes him look bad? omg...

[Lucinda]

76. No. Using HER ad to do it makes him look bad.

[Tarheel_Dem]

77. that's your "opinion", and we all know about opinions, right?

[Lucinda]

78. Some matter and some don't?

[Tarheel_Dem]

79. yours does't matter TO ME....n/t