HEY HILLARY SUPPORTERS, HERE

[boston bean]

is my rebuttal to Obama's rebuttal.

Let me know what you think!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdVjCXpbg8w

[NightWatcher]

1. and what has Hillary done?

Oh yes, I forgot, she voted to give George Bush authorization to go to war.- My bad

[boston bean]

2. hit a nerve huh?

[NightWatcher]

3. no, not really. her actions do speak rather loudly

what has she done to end the war?


on edit: my rebuttal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceN8geCDbFg

[George II]

115. EXCELLENT!!! Well done.

[Zachstar]

116. Awesome Video!!!!

[frog92969]

122. That video

hit the nail on the head.:thumbsup:

[lligrd]

134. Great Job.

And spot on!

[iaviate1]

141. What the hell has Obama done?!?

Voted to fund the war. Ending the war NOW should be the TOP priority... everything else is rubbish when these wars are draining our resources to deal with any other issues.

[paulk]

146. Obama's lack of experience is a legitimate topic

he is going to have to win people over on this point, so I don't understand the Obama supporters reaction to this ad. You had better learn how to deal with it because if he wins the nomination you can be damned sure that the Republicans will make Hillary's ad look tame by comparison.

[DWilliamsamh]

147. OHHHH SNAP!! I am laughing my A@#$ off!

Very nice I love that little flourish at the end.

Bravo!

[Mother Of Four]

155. Woot!

Ok...love that counter video.


That crow must be awful stringy...I hope she has some katsup and pepper to put on it.


(BTW...wouldn't matter which candidate did it, anyone poking you with a stick going "BOO" doesn't get my vote.)

[George II]

109. I'm still wondering how the subcommittee responsible for EUROPE...

can hold hearings on Afghanistan???

Here's a geography lesson for you - Afghanistan is in ASIA!!!

Did you get your script from Karl Rove?

[boston bean]

151. Here's a clue

Europe is part of NATO

NATO has many troops in Afghanistan. He does have oversight authority, to bad he didn't hold a hearing. Especially since he made that claim about the poor soldier who had to take weapons from dead afghanis because the US didn't supply them with enough weapons. It's a shame really.

[George II]

154. That's more than a stretch, that's desperation.

There are countries from many areas of the world with troops in Afghanistan, have any of the other six Senate Committee on Foreigh Relations subcommittees (chaired by six other Democratic Senators) held oversight hearings on Afghanistan? I'd guess no.

So tell us, how many oversight hearings has Hillary Clinton held on Afghanistan? For that matter, how many committees does Hillary Clinton chair? I think you'd be embarassed by the true answers. The fact is, Clinton has held exactly the SAME number of oversight hearings that Barack Obama has held.

[boston bean]

161. you need to get a grip. He admitted it. jesus christ, don't you believe the big O anymore? nt

[George II]

163. Right, he admitted he didn't hold any oversight hearings, but...

his committee didn't have anything to do with ASIA!!!

Me a grip? At least I'm not twisting facts to take cheap shots at a candidate who has done MORE than the other one in less years in the Senate.

[rodeodance]

10. can you read?---Op says Hillary supporters!!

[emilyg]

45. Go away.

[UALRBSofL]

97. I suppose you didn't vote for Kerry

since he voted IWR???

[niceypoo]

107. And Obama has kept it going by voting to fund it

[DWilliamsamh]

150. And so has Hillary....

The difference is she helped put us there in the first place, while Sen. Obama was speaking out publicly, during a Senate race against the war, or to be more accurate - against trusting GWB's word that he would abide by the conditions set forth in the RAUF.

[niceypoo]

152. Hmmm, speaking out against it while funding it....

Ummm.....ok

[DWilliamsamh]

160. Oh yeah... I forgot that Hillary led that filibuster against funding....

And her concrete plan to withdraw all combat troops within 6 months of inauguration day. You're right she's way better on the war than Obama.

:sarcasm:


P.S. I was an Edwards Supporter and would have liked nothing better than to be able to cast my vote for him here in PA. But that isn't the choice I have. It isn't the choice WE have. We do have a choice between someone who spent his whole life in the trenches organizing when he could have been making 6 figures to start at almost any large law firm as a former head of the Harvard Law Review. A man who fought, and WON, legislative battles at the state level only one of which resulted in the law mandating video taping of ALL police interrogations (over the objections of everyone form blood thirsty hang 'em high death penalty lovers to police, to the anti-death penalty folks on the left). Yeah he's the guy who Co-authored ethics reform while the other remaining candidate, despite being duped on the RAUF, STILL voted for Kyle-Lieberman.

And what did the other candidate do? Well she sat on corporate boards, including Wal-Mart, has 8 years of experience in elected office from a state she never lived in until she decided she wanted to run for Senate, got duped into making a vote she regretted but not enough to not make essentially the exact same vote four years later, and in her eight years in office never took a stand ever that might slow her march to the White House --- Oh yeah and through her high handed handling of the one policy initiative she actually gets to take credit for during her husband's administration, had a hand in failed health care reform. Every single one of her other "accomplishments" were actually accomplishments of her husband.

When I voted for Bill Clinton (twice) I was Voting for HIM as President, and HE accomplished a lot. She doesn't get to take credit for what he did. Don't get me wrong, when she was elected to the Senate I had high hopes for her. I knew that she had to be a person of immense personal strength and will to have weathered the storms she did. I thought that personal strength would make her a bull dog for the people. Unfortunately her better nature was subsumed by her ambition, and the bull dog was muzzled in the service of political expedience and calculation. Her experience is smoke and mirrors and coat-tail riding. And Obama's accomplishments (and mistakes) are his own. He is not the messiah and he is not perfect, but he stands on his own two feet. And YES one of the tools he no doubt used to accomplish the things he has is is power to inspire and bring people of differing points of view together long enough to see the big picture and the wisdom of making the changes he backed.

[George II]

164. Yes....the war had already started, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the war...

....it had to be funded at that point.

[justinboston2008]

144. Excellent job!

Obama is all hat and no cattle

[LLee]

148. Let us not forget, besides voting to go to war

She was first lady when Bill signed NAFTA into law and deregulated the telecoms. And... she voted against getting rid of land mines, voted for the Kyle/LIEberfman bill calling the Iranian guard terrorists. All her so called experience she prides herself with tells me she IS Bush lite.

[LLee]

149. and what has Hillary done?

1. Voted to go to war with Iraq
2. voted for the Kyle/Lieberman bill calling Iran guards terrorists
3. was first lady when Bill signed NAFTA
4. was first lady when Bill dereg the telecoms
5. voted against a ban on land mines

[George II]

165. AND, she can't get herself a committee or subcommittee to chair!

[ExtraGriz]

4. yep, you hit a nerve n/t

[boston bean]

7. I think so! nt

[papau]

8. well done :-)

[boston bean]

9. Thanks papau!! It is my first one ever. nt

[nonconformist]

5. Good job!

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

14. come back and give a rec if you can thanks

[nonconformist]

17. Done! nt

[rodeodance]

50. thanks luv.

[Ravy]

6. Nicely done, MassDem. nt

[boston bean]

54. Thanks Ravy!!! means a lot to me really! nt

[rodeodance]

11. REC

[rodeodance]

12. k

[rodeodance]

13. sorry, my old computer is acting up. but good luck on the feedback.

[boston bean]

24. oh you can't see it?

[rodeodance]

27. not tonight--will be home tomorrow--catch it them ok.

[rodeodance]

15. Jim Lehrer ran BO clip tonight-he read his rebuttal --i was not impressed. he was cocky.

[Ivote]

19. Sure Hits The Spot

Love it

[indimuse]

16. LOL!! Ab~so~lute~ly...love it!!!

I thought for a moment you'd have obama answer the phone(in a sleepy voice of course.. 3am) and whisper ...present. BUT, (((Words))) oh yeah..:dem:
:kick:
:dem:
:kick:

[boston bean]

20. did think of that, but I'm not the greatest commercial/movie/clip maker.

This is the first one I have ever done.

Thought I did ok, tho!

Great minds think alike!

[indimuse]

39. I'm a fan!

Keep them coming! :headbang:
:yourock:

[rodeodance]

18. K

[barb162]

21. Very nice!

[boston bean]

23. thanks barb. It took a while, but I had an idea, I have never done one before

and I spent a few hours on it. Thank you!

[rodeodance]

33. I give you credit for trying --seems good by the comments. Good for you:

[barb162]

66. I wouldn't even try so I give you a lot of credit.

:hi:

[ProSense]

22. A rebuttal

DUMB AD

LOL!

[rodeodance]

25. YOU have trouble reading---OP says Clinton supports. bug off

[HCE SuiGeneris]

28. lmao -- don't come on my thread!

:bounce: :rofl:

[rodeodance]

30. it is for Hilliary supporters!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Awwww...

:cry:

[George II]

114. It is for readers of Democraticunderground.com!!!

[ProSense]

32. "bug off"?

LOL!

[rodeodance]

35. This IS a Hillary Supporters thread and hope you can honor that request.

[Forkboy]

88. Here's a tip, Sparky. It's a public board...and you don't set the rules.

[berni_mccoy]

LOLOMGHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Win]

26. Here's Mrs. Clinton at her best.

She appears in the second half of this revealing video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaS6bLQixkM&eurl=http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/290208endorsed.htm

[rodeodance]

29. ARE YOU A CLINTON SUPPORTER?--SEE THE op!!

[Win]

37. Of course I am.

Don't you want one world government?

[BeatleBoot]

31. Mr. 32 Post man

What do you like on your pizza?

[femrap]

36. Very cool, MassDemm! K and R nt

[rodeodance]

38. :-)

[Straight Shooter]

40. You nailed it. "Actions Speak Louder Than Words."

What action has Obama taken in the Senate, anyway, except for voting the same as Hillary? If you'll check their records, you'll see that he did not vote on the same matters where Hillary did not vote. Like her shadow or something. And in this case, the shadow doesn't know.

[boston bean]

46. Thanks SS!

:hi:

[Straight Shooter]

73. Back atcha!

:hi:

[George II]

117. Okay, let's do it this way...

What action has Clinton taken in the Senate, anyway, except for voting the same as Barack Obama?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. Here is Hillary's hubby championing her cause

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGW38Zy4bJo

[MoonRiver]

42. Wonderful!

MassDem :yourock:

[rodeodance]

43. yes, she rocks

[boston bean]

44. Thanks MPR!

I thought about this as soon as I heard his rebuttal where he talked about afghanistan.

He only cares about things when he thinks it sounds good or might get him a vote or two.

[MoonRiver]

47. I so agree with you.

He is the most self-serving and vapid politician I have ever seen running as a Democrat.

[boston bean]

48. it

is true, what you say.

and wouldn't know afghanistan is going to hell in a handbasket as we speak.

[MoonRiver]

52. Not important to him.

So when that phone rings, I want President Clinton answering it.

[boston bean]

55. me too.

[Auntie Bush]

84. Me three. K & R

[libbygurl]

102. 'Self-serving and vapid politician' - took the words right out of my mouth --

-- only you used much better words! LOL!

How true, how true. More televangelist Kool-Aid, anyone?

[rodeodance]

49. k

[liberalnurse]

51. Oh YES!

Perfect..............You have a job! Ohio needs to see that!

Buckeye Blog...here we come.

[boston bean]

60. cool. thanks!

[oasis]

53. Great stuff. k&r

[boston bean]

70. tx oasis!

:hi:

[JohnnyLib2]

56. Thanks! Succinct, to the point.

:kick:

[TheDonkey]

57. Is Hillary even chair of anything??? What is she done other than voting for the war?

then ran away from it. Thanks Hillary.

[Maribelle]

59. Hey, this is for Hillary Supporters. Can't you even read?

AMSCRAY!

[George II]

110. We have "private" discussions posted here now?

[Petrushka]

74. Just for the record: "100 Reasons to Support Hillary Clinton"

http://www.davodd.com/2008/100-reasons-to-support-hillary-clinton

[sloppyjoe25s]

58. Lame... Obama has done more than her

on foreign & domestic policy.

NOBODY in america things that senate hearings are the key to Afghanistan.

Judgement is.

Not Mrs. Clinton who will do anything, and vote for anything - 1000% based on political calculation.

Totally lacking principals as she plays "company woman on Walmart Board"

Nothing could be further than a commander in chief than Senator "Do AnyThing 4 Politics" Clinton.

[Name removed]

61. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[boston bean]

64. that is

hilarious!

:rofl: :spray:

[George II]

111. Guess he thought you looked hungry?

[judaspriestess]

62. oooohhhh you soooo observant

:eyes:

please go spooge on an obama thread.

[gerrilea]

94. He's done more than her? What drugs are you taking, please share!

Look at their respective bills introduced and guess what out of 150 of Hillary's, 29 (there's more, I couldn't get them all to print)on Healthcare---Healthcare for Veterans, children, woman, minorities...she care's...and you can't stand the truth...so attack what you can't prove!

[George II]

112. OK, a little reality check....

In the current session, Clinton has sponsored 152 bills, Obama has sponsored 113. All things considered these are fairly equivalent records, especially considering a two of Clinton's "sponsored" bills are:

"A resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month."
"A resolution recognizing April 30, 2007, as "National Healthy Schools Day". "

PLUS, 41 of those 152 bills are listed with the heading "Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration"

Quite an impressive record if you ask me!

[trevjr]

118. Isn't this space for everyone?

Don't forget that Hillary has been in the Senate 2 more years than Obama and only has 40 more bills sponsored. some of Obama's bills have been co-sponsored by HIllary, Hillary has a lot of bills with no other sponsor. Obama has PASSED a government transparency act with a Republican and a non-proliferation bill with another. Hillary has zero bills sponsored with someone from the other side. Obama is our only chance to work with republicans because he has already done it. 47% say they will never vote for Hillary while Obama has alot of Republicans crossing over.
So instead of asking what Obama has done, you should be looking it up, Obama has done more than Hillary in 2 less years. Obama is the one attracting independents and republicans not Hillary.
I am beginning to believe that it is the Hillary supporters who are duped and delusional.

[George II]

132. I think you meant to respond to the same person I responded to...

I was pointing out how much better Obama's record in the Senate is vs. what people here are trying to portray. He's introduced more substantive legislation, has gotten broader support for his legislation, and although he hasn't sponsored as many bills as Clinton, his were more meaningful AND he's gotten more PASSED. It's one thing to introduce legislation, it's another to get it passed.

[Maribelle]

63. Good Job, MassDemm!

Thank you!

[boston bean]

71. Thanks Maribelle!

:hi:

[feminazi]

65. very nice, MassDemm

*

[boston bean]

77. Thank you Fem!!

:hi:

[MagsDem]

67. Awesome -- great rebuttal

[boston bean]

81. Thanks Mags!!!

:hi:

[theHandpuppet]

68. Excellent!

:thumbsup:

[boston bean]

82. glad you enjoyed HP!

:hi:

[anonymous171]

69. lol fail.

Just a smear. Doesn't address any actual issues.

[jillan]

72. I love it!

[boston bean]

85. Hey pirhana!

Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!

[Mezzo]

75. I think this is fantastic. You should pm me. nt

[boston bean]

78. I did

check your pm's

[barb162]

76. rec and kick!

[SayitAintSo]

79. Impressive! n/t

[kikiek]

80. Keep drilling him Hillary! Don't let him off the hook! K&R

Well that is if he answered the phone.

[cooolandrew]

83. More negativity, I see in the polls this method is real working wonders.

Let me know when the votes start flooding in. Hate destroys love creates our goodness is love .

The only thing that's real is love the rest is an illusion. Folks shouldn't have to sell a soul to get a vote. Tell me what make Clinton the one we'll talk.

[The River]

86. And Everyone Knew

the Titanic was unsinkable.

[oasis]

87. kick

[Political Heretic]

89. Nicely done.

As a supporter rebuttal, I commend you for the work.

Speaking with the intent of neutrality, with my political junkie / analyst hat on, I'm not sure I would recommend this Ad be placed in Texas or Ohio markets, because it invites another Obama counter AD that reinforcement of his current message of "judgment <> experience" -- it invites an ad once again going for the IWR vote and it would probably be better to try to get away from that as much as possible.

Putting my Obama supporter hat on, I'd just like to mention that this isn't really a "rebuttal" - its a deflection. Obama's counter ad makes the point that the best person to "answer the phone" in the White House is someone with sound judgment, and that Clinton's vote on one of the most important resolutions in modern history doesn't reflect the judgment to be President. Saying as a "rebuttal," oh yeah, well he's never held a committee meeting - doesn't quite seem to "rebut" the ad.

Putting my junkie / analyst had back on again, if I were to advise Clinton, I would suggest that they do continue to attack Obama on his qualifications for president, but that they respond directly to his attempt at the meme "I have the best judgment, which matters more than experience." Develop ads that somehow make the point, when has Obama ever been tested to demonstrate sound judgment on anything? Then list a bunch of examples of Clinton combining both her experience and good judgment to get certain big things done in the Senate. (Hey, I said I was trying to be neutral - I think that whole argument against Obama is bunk, but that's still what I would suggest if they were paying me to consult with them.) :)

[gerrilea]

96. Nice opinions, but you all keep forgetting the media climate at the time

and you all keep saying she was wrong to vote for IWR, I think hindsight is 20/20 and yes, no one should have given the traitor any war powers, but at the time, don't forget the media climate...if you didn't go along with everything *ush was asking for then you were against the troops and weak on national security...

How could any Democrat not go along then, or be destroyed? Your "reality" is far from the truth...

Don't blame Hillary for *ushes actions...

The Iraq war is *ushes fault and responsibility, he chose the course!

[Political Heretic]

158. Twenty three didn't.

They were the ones who should be commended.

I blame Hillary for authorizing the use of force. No more, no less.

[robbedvoter]

90. Reminds me of Unca Dick's anti-terra committeee - est May 2001

and it's in sync with everything else. Excellent response!

[susankh4]

91. Hang in there

the word is getting out. Thanks to vids like yours... and the one in my sig. line.

All is not lost. Yet!

[Autumn]

92. Nice

I like it.

[libbygurl]

93. Says it all.

:kick: and Recommend!

Thanks, massdem! Concise and pointed.

[gerrilea]

95. Fabulous! Go MassDemm...go baby go!

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[UALRBSofL]

98. MassDemm I think it's great

Its message exposes Obama as the typical beltway politician that he's trying to deflect and it shows his empty suit rhetoric.

[boston bean]

99. Thanks UalRB!

:hi:

[russian33]

100. oh my, these pesky lil' things called 'facts' keep popping up

very nicely done, k&R!

[boston bean]

123. Thanks Russian33!!

:hi:

[sueragingroz]

101. BRILLIANT!

[boston bean]

103. Thanks Sueragingroz!

:hi:

[Evergreen Emerald]

104. Wow! I am impressed

Great job!

[CyberPieHole]

105. Great Job, MassDemm. Spot on. The Obama CULT will not approve that message.

Because it speaks the truth.

:kick: and rec

[texshelters]

127. What cult?

Just because people like Obama, that doesn't make it a cult!

You should use language more acturately. He has mass appeal even though you don't like him. If he is a cult leader, so was Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, the Dali Lama, Nelson Mandela, Leck Waleza, and Hillary Clinton to a certain extent.

If those are cult leaders, then we're all cultists!

Now, please explain why it's the truth and try not to resort to name calling or labeling.

Tex Shelters

[boston bean]

128. people in cults never realize they are in one. did you know that? nt

lol jj

[texshelters]

131. No, we're all stupid

unless we support Clinton. You didn't tell me why liking Obama means we're in a cult. Is it because you don't really have an answer. Suppose I'm in a cult. Will making a false accusation cause me to change?

I don't think so. Explain why I'm in a cult and you're not. I'm listening.

Perhaps you have faith and believe in Clinton like many people believe in Obama.

Are you in a cult? Are McCain or Huckabee followers in a cult? Are Obama's supporters in a cult because he is a good orator? Clinton's followers are not in cult because she talks about "experience" and not hope or faith.

How is it really different. He does talk about specifics. The problem is that the media doesn't mention the specifics and they focus on his "rock star" image. Also, the media likes his story and they don't always, sometimes but not always, give Clinton a fair viewing because of her husbands record.

Cult memeber,
Tex Shelters

[boston bean]

143. it was a joke, jeepers you folks are sensitive.

[George II]

156. One of Rush Limbaugh's favorite expressions...

"It was a joke"

[perlraver]

106. MARCH 4TH, HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!! Check this out

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IyzfAzWNn2g

[TankLV]

108. Fantastic - THAT must hurt!

Good job...

Has anybody mentioned that bama's ad is ANOTHER uncreative act of PLAGERISM of Hillary's ad - NOT very creative at ALL...

[emilyg]

113. Good job MD.

Go Hillary.

[boston bean]

145. Thanks AGirl!

:hi:

[AGirl]

THANK YOU k and r

[AGirl]

119. THANK YOU k and r

[NewHampster]

120. Great video - but what's this with truth

They don't want to know the truth about him.

Look for your vid on The Daily Obama tonight.

[FedUp_Queer]

121. I found this disturbing, I think.

For the record, I was an Edwards supporter and leaning Obama (though since I live in NY and have already voted in the primary to whom I'm leaning is not relevant since I'm voting for whomever is nominated.)However, I was disturbed by this because on its face, it looks bad.

Before posting here, I did some research on the subject. I found several items that spoke about the irrelevancy of this fact because the whole SFRC had held and was planning to hold hearings on NATO's role in Afghanistan. Two other items have stuck in my head about whether or not the fact that he did not hold hearings is relevant. First, why has the Clinton campaign waited until now to bring it up when it appears desperate to stave off the Obama tide? If it was so important, why wait? Second, John Kerry and Chris Dodd (also is on the subcommittee Obama chairs), both members of the Committee have endorsed Obama. So, I'm just not sure what to think.

[avrdream]

124. Very nice. You used my favorite phrase, too:

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, BARACK!

[texshelters]

125. What does this have to do with Obamas response to the ad

Clever YouTube video that doesn't address Obama's response at all. What does it have to do with the ad? Perhaps Obama didn't have those hearings. Thanks for pointing it out. But is is unclear whether he is committee chair, just didn't convene one (in that case, why didn't Clinton convene the committee?) or what? And don't call me an Obamaniac when I say:

Don't give this (3 AM phone call) ad legitimacy!

Why are we giving this right-wing fear-mongering TV ad any credibility by talking about it. This damn hypothetical is from a Clinton campaign that wants people to vote out of fear. Thus, we get four more years of Bush, I mean McCain. I want a President who has good relationships with the world so when the phone does ring, it's not a terrorist threat, it's a natural disaster or some other disaster we can't prevent with good planning. Bush was not prepared to prevent 9/11. That's why it happen! Clinton is very capable of creating the relationships we need for peace, and I wish she would stick to the issues and not try to create votes from fear.

Certainly, neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton will keep reading "The Pet Goat" for minutes after being informed of terrorist attacks.

Stop the fear mongering.

Vote!

Tex Shelters

PS: If Clinton stopped attacking Obama and talked more about what she believed, more people might support her. As it stands, she sound like she's working for McCain.

[boston bean]

126. he talks about how important Afghanistan is in the video. boy you O supporters really gotta do some

research.

[texshelters]

129. Suppose I'm stupid; why don't you educate me and explain what you're talking about.

We're not mind readers. What are you talking about? Afganistan?! So, what has Hillary done to get at the terrorist other than inflame Iran by calling the national guard a terrorist organization.

I know the ad mentions Afganistan. So? The President is Commander-in-Chief, not Senator Obama. He's talking about what he will do as President. Why are you supporting fear mongering?

Tex

[boston bean]

130. Boy you really aren't that bright are you?

If he doesn't even give a shit enough to hold one hearing, what will he give a shit about if he's president? He is using that committee appointment to use as clout in his campaign and he never even held one freaking hearing. The man is an empty suit, an empty vesell, he's not the type, with his little experience, I want answering the phone at 3am.

Besides the point that he is nothing but a chicago politician, who knows the rough and tumble corrupt politics of chicago.

[texshelters]

133. Ad hominem attacks are very mature

Insulting people is really great! Thanks!

So you don't like Obama. Fine. Insults are unnecessary. He didn't hold a hearing on Afghanistan. Valid point. It could be made without all the hate. And people say Obama supporters are hateful. In fact, most supporters are. Too bad. I am willing to learn, but you don't seem to be willing to educate without insulting people. Too bad. Are you angry because you hate Obama, love Hillary and are disappointed or you fear for our country?

And how many "hearings" has Hillary had. Or is it that she didn't know what she knows now.

Tex

[George II]

140. That's what happens when one is painted into a corner and his theory is ripped to shreds.

...resort to ad hominem attacks.

[FedUp_Queer]

135. I tend to agree with one sentiment.

I'm puzzled as to why no hearings. However, I'm not at the point of disturbed yet, and here's why. I don't know if any other subcommittees held hearings. So, I don't know how out of the ordinary this is. In addition, if this is such a big deal, why bring it up now? Finally, again if this is such a big deal, why do Kerry and Dodd (both members of the SFRC and Dodd a member of Obama's subcommittee) endorse him? Is there some sort of odd Senate protocol that he would have violated by holding hearings when the main Committee was doing so? It just doesn't make sense to me. Let me be clear, I'm not defending Obama, and I'm not defending this post. None of these questions make sense.

[George II]

139. Here's why no hearings:

The subcommittee Obama chairs is responsible for European Affairs. Everyone here is whining about why Obama's committee didn't hold a hearing on Afghanistan. I suppose once Afghanistan moves from ASIA :rofl: to Europe he'll hold a hearing!!

[George II]

138. WHY SHOULD HE HOLD A HEARING ON AFGHANISTAN???

Obama is Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs' Subcommittee on EUROPEAN AFFAIRS!!!!

Do you know where Afghanistan is? A S I A ! ! !

After you finish boning up on geography, please answer this question - WHAT committee or subcommittee does Clinton chair? Obama is in his first term as Senator and he's accomplished more than Clinton has and she's in her second term.

If you're going to claim people "aren't that bright", PLEASE make sure you've educated yourself on the issue, ok? Only makes YOU far from bright.

[George II]

142. Well, Hillary Clinton is just a Chicago politician too, ummm - wait..

no, she's just an Arkansas politician, ummmm - wait..

NO, she's just a New York politician!!

At least Obama hasn't shopped around for a supportive constituency!!

[George II]

137. Perhaps you should do some research as well?

[DS1]

136. Man, you really caught me off guard with the "words" finale

I was on the edge of my seat wondering what was coming next

[OzarkDem]

153. Good stuff!

Feet...hold them to the fire...

[boston bean]

157. Thanks Ozark!

:hi:

[LadyVT]

159. kick!

[Alamom]

162. kick

[Asia Expat]

166. Thanks

Very well done.