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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:00 PM Original message |
If Hillary Clinton loses the nomination, it won't be because she is a woman, |
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galadrium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. If she loses its because she ran a horrible campaign |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. They used tactics? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. Agreed. There are many reasons, not the least of which is the lousy mgmt of her campaign. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree too - she was not served well by her people. nt |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. It has nothing with her being a woman; it has everything with her being Hillary |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. i agree. nt |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. She Tried To Run As "Inevitable" - With A 48% Negative |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Maybe someone forgot to tell you... Obama's negatives are 46% |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Pull That % Out Of Your Ass Did You? |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
30. She ran as a Republican spouting Republican tactics |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. People act on these things unconsciously |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Do you mean you think there is no bias against women? |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. No, I mean there certainly IS bias toward women...nt |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
55. So explain to me why she was leading by 30% at one point |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. Yes, and I did not say that there is no a bias toward women in this case |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. I am a woman who reports to a woman who I HIGHLY respect |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. Actually, it will because of |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. Most people won't freely admit "I won't vote for Hillary because I'm a sexist asshole." |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Republican men crossing over to vote against her |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The Republican men in my family |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Of course they are. Everyone in every anecdote on DU supports Obama. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. No need for the 'yeah, right :eyes:' attitude, Maddy McCall |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. Older men are voting for her |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. yes. she thought |
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bigbrother05 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
11. Hillary will be remembered very kindly to be sure |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
14. Oh it will absolutely be because she is a woman |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Hhhmmm |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. You don't think she could have won the nomination already... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I think she would have won in a cakewalk if the bias |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Because (as you have been maintaining), her campaign is flawless |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. How bad can it be if she is within 300K votes out of 22 million cast? |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Can you give a specific example, MagsDem? |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. The post debate coverage after Cleveland was a perfect example |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. What if she actually *is* shrill? |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #43 |
56. Thanks, I read the article |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. LOL! |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. And what "brand" of politics is that? |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Slash and burn, scorched earth. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. And what has she done that is slash and burn, scorched earth? |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
18. If anything, Hillary has shown that a woman CAN win |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Yes, but no thanks to the media bias |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
40. Agreed |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
25. It will be because she was a war authorizing DLC Leader. n/t |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Which pretty much sums up why I couldn't vote for her |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
28. It will be a factor---you can not deny that. |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. She will have lost for these main reasons: |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
31. "Just not THIS woman" That's what I hear all the time -nt |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Would love to vote for a woman, just not that one |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. That Will Be A Small Part Of It, Along With 20 Other Reasons. |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
41. It will be because the media Gored her. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. That, or people simply don't want her in charge of the country. |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Really? Strange then that fewer than 300K votes out of 22 million |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Hillary "gored" herself... |
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MagsDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. No, not sexism..... as you claim she is shrill, prone to temper tantrums |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. This is exactly what I mean when people start defining what is sexist to them |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. I might have agreed with you about a year ago. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I guess there's no way of knowing for sure |
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