Why Sen. Clinton is right on in her ad!

[journalist3072]

I love the ad by Sen. Clinton, and the ad speaks truth.

It's not about fear mongering. As President Clinton has said repeatedly, when a person becomes President, they not only try to deal with all the things that they said they would do during the campaign.

But they also have to deal with all of the other stuff that they never imagined or anticipated that comes up, for example Hurricane Katrina.

When President Clinton was interviewed on C-Span for the Presidential Libraries series, he said that at his library, there's a kiosk-type thing where you can pretty much plug in any day from his Presidency, and his schedule on that day will pop up.

He did that because he wanted the American people to see the vast variety of things that a President deals with in a day....the sheer diversity of issues that a President must deal with.

And for me, that is exactly the lesson I take away from Sen. Clinton's ad....that we need a President who is equipped to deal with all of the unexpected events....i.e. a Hurricane Katrina or a tsunami. Who is able to rise to the occassion and deal with the myriad of issues that are going to come up in the course of a President's day?

[kid a]

1. watch this and get back to us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGW38Zy4bJo

[NightWatcher]

4. jinx,

[journalist3072]

7. What part don't you understand? Sen. Clinton's ad was not playing to anyone's fear. It's dealing

with reality...somethingy you obviously don't know how to do.

[kid a]

17. that ad IS fear mongering...the reality of fear for my babies.

Why can't you see that?
I really want to know why you are so blind to that.

Your blind following of you leader is really blinding you.
(my last response so i don't kick this anymore)

[conservdem]

27. I agree it is just dealing with reality.

[conservdem]

28. Can you deal with and address the question by Slate's

John Dickerson:

"What foreign policy moment would you point to in Hillary's career where she's been tested by crisis?"

[cbayer]

50. That door swings both ways, doesn't it?

And if neither candidate can name that moment, then one must look at other qualifications.

That being said, she has certainly come closest of the two candidates in dealing directly with a domestic crisis as Senator from New York during 9/11.

BTW, I support both candidates.

[CatnHat]

73. Reality

is a word NOT used in Obama rallies. . hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, vote for me, hope, change, vote for me, hope for change, change for hope, scream, faint, cry, hope, change . . . :crazy:

[NightWatcher]

2. Bill's response was excellent too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe0BPwWAxnk

[KittyWampus]

6. lolcat response

[goclark]

Stop making me spill my water all over the keys

That is just like the vision that I had of the scene.

Song: " It's 3 o'clock in the morrrrrrrrrrning ..."

:bounce:

Also ~ can they get a new ring tone ~ that one is so "yesterday!"

[Bicoastal]

3. Hurricanes don't call you up.

[Medusa]

5. And what exactly qualifies her again to answer that phone?

Her years as FIRST LADY? Being the wife of a former Governor? Oh--right, she knows where the phones ARE in the White House so she won't have to hunt for them when they ring in the middle of the night. :rofl:

[Bicoastal]

15. I can pick up phones really well! Why can't I be President?

:P

[Muttocracy]

33. Does Bush have them all permanently wiretapped?

Or do they all forward to Dick Cheney's cell phone?

[enki23]

8. it's not about fear mongering. it's just that we have to fear having obama answering, right?

there's another pantload.

[journalist3072]

11. Yes....I can tell you right now that if Obama is elected, I don't feel safe in having him answer the

phone.

He doesn't have the leadership qualities that I want in a President.

I do believe it makes a difference who we have in the Oval Office, responding to unfolding events.

[enki23]

19. so you're directly contradicting yourself?

fine. it's fearmongering. we agree on that.

[LowerManhattanite]

74. You've already said you're voting for McCain should Sen. Clinton lose...

...the nomination—rendering you a embarrassment and a joke to this forum aimed at electing DEMS.

Yet you insist on drawing this out and being such a drama queen. God, how tedious.

[rodeodance]

22. Play that old "fear mongering"--on people who deserve it-cheney, bush ect.

[conservdem]

9. I support Obama, and I think her ad is a fair ad.

But, as Slate's John Dickerson asked:

"What foreign policy moment would you point to in Hillary's career where she's been tested by crisis?"

[Jamastiene]

72. Well, 9/11 WAS a pretty

testing time to live through in NY and DC and she was in DC at the time when the planes were still crashing.

[conservdem]

78. Agreed it was a crisis time, but what is it that she did to show she

can handle such crisis times.

I think HC, BO and JM can all handle such crisis and I think her ad is fair, but its not like she can back up her ad with a good answer to to this question. So I think the ad thus was a dumb move.

I think his reply was good. I continue to support O.

[Jamastiene]

81. For starters,

she didn't get in a plane and fly all over the place to "undisclosed locations" for 11 hours straight or get a deer caught in the headlights look like the jackass who was "in charge" (yeah, right) that day did. You gotta admit, she'd do just fine comparitively. Think about it for 2.2 seconds. I promise not to play the Jeopardy theme song while you think. :P

[last1standing]

10. Yep. She makes a compelling argument for voting McCain, doesn't she?

Since her "35 years" of experience as a first lady of a state then the white house can't beat McCain's 45 years or so in the congress, the senate, as a military POW, etc... there's no real compelling reason to choose her over the repub in the general election. She's admitted that herself in this latest ad.

Or will you be saying that other things are more important when the GE comes around? :shrug:

[conservdem]

13. The ad does point to McCain as the more prepared.

[last1standing]

14. Exactly. If she won the nomination McCain would be playing that ad day and night.

I'm afraid Clinton is no longer running for president in 2008, she's running for 2012. This is her attempt to make sure there isn't a Democrat in office to block that.

[cbayer]

53. Balderdash!

She is running for the democratic nomination against an extremely worthy opponent. And the fact is that they are more alike than different, so it is hard for them to distinguish themselves. They are both trying to point out areas where they feel that they are more capable than the other.

That's just politics.

[last1standing]

57. I just can't help but disagree with you there.

Clinton seems to be in the process of doing everything she can to tear down Obama. That would be fine in the general election but what she's doing now is planting seeds in peoples' minds that he is unqualified to be president. How could she not know that this will be used against him in the GE if he gets the nomination? Everybody knows that McCain is going to push his "experience" as his major selling point. Why would she bolster that argument with an ad like this. An ad that will actually be used against her in the GE if she wins the nomination, by the way.

I can't see that there's any purpose to this other than a 2012 run. Give the angry Dems four years to forget her destructive tactics and make sure to remind any possible contenders what they'd be up against.

[cbayer]

59. She is still running against him. And she is trying to win.

It is not her responsibility to prepare Obama for the GE or to protect him from what might be coming. This is nothing compared with what he will face should he be the nominee.

I truly believe that Clinton will totally back Obama should he win the nomination. And I think to suggest otherwise really underestimates her.

[last1standing]

64. I don't know if I'm underestimating her, but I'm certainly not giving her much credit.

I used to respect Sen. Clinton and I definitely supported Bill when he was in office. I'm also not a rabid Obama supporter - I was for Edwards and feel that Obama is the better of two lesser candidates. In fact, if you go back you can find several threads where I talk about not tearing down our candidates and each other. But things seem to have changed now. The Clinton campaign has gotten destructive and this ad is just the latest example of it. I understand using dirty tactics and I know Obama has played his own tricks, however, none of them hit Clinton as wholly unqualified to take office. This ad goes even further in that it even helps McCain against her in the G.E. if she gets the nod. No one can argue with a straight face that Clinton has more experience in foreign policy than McCain and he will use that throughout the campaign to show that even Clinton agrees he's more qualified for office - based on her own criteria.

If I can see that, you know Clinton can. That's why I believe she's using scorched earth tactics to ensure there is not an incumbent Democrat in office come 2012. I can understand you not agreeing, but I've seen no argument against what I've said.

[cbayer]

65. I see where you are coming from

And will agree to disagree with you.

Peace.

[LibertyorDeath]

12. "It's not about fear mongering."

and you call yourself a journalist

fear mongering is EXACTLY what the ad is about.

[rodeodance]

16. NO, it is NOT. I for one recognize that there are REAL threats out there! Get a grip!

[babylonsister]

31. Doesn't that ad remind you just a teensy weensy bit of * and his

fearmongering? Get a grip yourself. We've been terrorized by this admin for a very long time. Why on earth would we want to hire someone who will continue to do that?

[LibertyorDeath]

36. All it needed were some Wolves

[babylonsister]

39. Geeze. The weekend is young!

:rofl: I totally forgot about them!

[Divernan]

48. And the ta-dum......ta-dum......theme from Jaws. That'll scare the little ____________ers!

nt

[rodeodance]

46. I try my best not to think of him. I have a firm grip thank you.

[LibertyorDeath]

47. "REAL threats out there!"

You don't say

The ad was an emotional appeal to peoples fear of the unknown


If that isn't Fucking Obvious to you then there's not much left to say.

[conservdem]

25. Are you without fear?

I'm not, I think the ad addresses a serious question and is completely fair. (I still support O)

[last1standing]

29. Playing to fear in a primary is a scorched earth tactic.

It doesn't do that much to help a candidate win but it does quite a bit to ensure that the other candidate loses. In the general election McCain will be showing this ad repeatedly to say that the Democratic nominee is not qualified because they don't have the experience he does. If Obama is the candidate, McCain will say that not even his fellow "liberals" trust him. If Clinton is the candidate he'll say that even she admits that she's not qualified next to him. Either way the Dems lose because of this ad. And I'm sure Clinton knows this just as well as a political neophyte like me does. She knows she's lost this campaign and is looking to make sure she doesn't have to run against an incumbent Democrat in 2012.

[conservdem]

77. I think you might be right on all points. But I still think its a fair

question and I still support O.

[cbayer]

55. Fear mongering is not just about making people worry.

It's about using false or misleading information to do so. And I don't think she did that. I think she was just pointing out where she sees herself as the stronger candidate.

[rodeodance]

18. Thanks.

[sniffa]

20. I think it was a great ad

Anything to solidify her as the worst candidate in recent history, is golden in my eye. I think even some black female journalists would agree with me.

[rodeodance]

24. Yes. it was a great ad. Thanks, I agree.

[Alexander]

41. You didn't read the rest of sniffa's post.

Sniffa was being sarcastic.

Of course, since you either can't or don't read stuff like that, it went whooshing over your head at 30,000 feet.

[cboy4]

75. Yea, I think rodeo was being sarcastic.

I majored in sarcasm, so I appreciate and recognize all of it...including sniffa's post which made me laugh out loud.

[babylonsister]

Oye!

:crazy:

[sniffa]

63. Vei

:crazy:

I wonder what the ignoreds are saying. :think:

[babylonsister]

71. Ha! I'm tempted to find out! Have you ever taken

all of them off ignore? Maybe I'll wait til Tuesday...

[cbayer]

56. Black female journalists? Whaaaa? nt.

[mmonk]

21. Then credit Bill Kristol.

Oh right this isn't about fear. What is it about again?

[zulchzulu]

23. Hillary will be up at 3AM a lot waiting for Bill to show up with lipstick on his collar

Her ad was BULLSHIT. She is drowning in the pool at this point.

[anamandujano]

37. As will Michelle.

Two can play that game.

[indimuse]

40. oh..

snap!

[Alexander]

43. Michelle will be waiting for Bill?

Wow, I didn't know he got around that much.

[Divernan]

51. Remind the Obamas to change the locks at the White House.

nt

[indimuse]

38. rush alert!

...

[Hepburn]

26. Hint....

....her new ad is total drek.

[Johnny__Motown]

30. Hillary For Answering Machine '08 (Hell even I would vote for that) Bill, It's For You

[sniffa]

32. And it's off to the Greatest Page you go

You're welcome for increasing your readership. :patriot:

[indimuse]

34. instinct comes to mind...

Experience and instinct. I trust Hillary.

[last1standing]

42. Her instincts told her to attack Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost due to instincts like that. And she voted for the same thing for Iran. Is that the experience you're looking for?

[berni_mccoy]

45. Her instincts and experience haven't helped her in her campaign have they?

[madfloridian]

35. She played the fear card...just like Bush and McCain do.

That's a shame.

[rodeodance]

44. oh a little obamakiddo wanta paly cards?

[anonymous171]

62. Seriously what's your problem?

All you do is troll in the name of the Church of Clintonology.

[madfloridian]

66. obamakiddo? How insulting you guys are becoming.

?

[rodeodance]

76. just dishing it back. Now if both sides would hush --I certainly would

[texas_indy]

49. The ad does speak the truth.................and Obama is the answer!

GET 'ER DONE!!


Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[NCarolinawoman]

52. FEMA in the Clinton administration was state of the art.

James Lee Witt, Clinton's FEMA director, dealt with over 300 natural disasters back in the 90's. No one is talking anymore of FEMA's success because it all ran so well--it was totally innovative and people really cared. Bill cared. Hillary cared, and Al Gore cared.

Having lived, myself, through two major hurricanes back in the 90's; I am convinced that a majority of those people who died during Hurricane Katrina, would have survived---if the Clinton Administration had been in charge. THOSE PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IGNORED!

I think Hillary had that in mind when she made that ad.

[Divernan]

54. Katrina didn't need a 3 a.m. emergency call.

Bush/Chertoff knew it was coming a week in advance, at least. The FEMA professionals throughout the country were packed and ready to head to the Gulf Coast/NOLA 4 days before the hurricane made landfall. That was SOP for FEMA. But Bush/Chertoff took control of that decision from Brownie and wouldn't let them go until the day after the hurricane hit. Hundreds died because of that.

Thanks to weather satellites, we do have lifesaving windows of time before hurricanes hit. So I don't think that scenario fits the 3 a.m. phone call scenario.

[NCarolinawoman]

67. I believe that the 3am call in the ad was symbolic of being ready and on top of a situation.

Before Hurricane Floyd hit and flooded one third of my state, President Clinton abruptly left New Zealand, got in touch with Northern Command, co-ordinated with my governor to get the National Guard in place, and everybody was ready for the worst.

The entire population of Princeville, NC (pop.2000) were saved. Dykes broke and the whole town was under water. Marines flew in with helicopters immediately.

By the way, Princeville, NC, which is about 50 miles from me is an historical town founded by former slaves. Bill Clinton put all his administration's resources into resurrecting that town. It's now called the "Princeville Model". It serves as an example of how things can be done the RIGHT way, not the Bush/Brownie way.

Yeah, I know I'm talking a bit about Bill now, and not Hillary, But James Lee Witt has endorsed Hillary. Also, Senator Byrde describes Hillary as a "work-horse, not a show-horse" so I'm saying again, this is the point of the ad, IMHO.

[anonymous171]

58. It's fear mongering

Watch the wolf ad, then make a comparison.

And I thought Hillary wasn't Bill? So why mention Bill?

[AX10]

60. K/R For Hillary!

Journalist3072, thanks for the support!
:thumbsup:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

61. What does Bill Clinton's kiosk have to do with Hillary?

[Jonathan2000]

68. Nice ad for Hillary Is 44

Why was this ad produce? Before every action you have to consider the opponents reaction. It was obvious beforehand how Obama would respond which would lead to no positive benefit. Disregarding this, Hillary's recent publicized Sybil behavior doen't ensure confidence among undecideds about what she would do at 3AM. Preaching to the choir is not going to get her nomination.

[wileedog]

69. You mean

"But they also have to deal with all of the other stuff that they never imagined or anticipated that comes up, for example Hurricane Katrina."

You mean like not clinching on Super Tuesday?

Cause she sure nailed that one.

[cooolandrew]

70. Yep a president to make the right big decision like voting for or against Iraq. NEXT!

[SoxFan]

79. Vote for Hillary or dingoes will eat your baby

[workinclasszero]

80. Dick Cheney has lots of experience

King George was a governator.

Both fear mongers as well.

Now Hillary plays her fear card.

Will we get more of the same with President HC??

Bill Clinton said don't trust fear mongers go with hope!

Its on youtube, check it out!:)