ALL Clinton supporters defending that ad....

[mudesi]

I fully expect each and every one of you to defend John McCain when he runs an ad with the same message. And you know he absolutely will. That's all the Republicans have left to run on, and Clinton is looking less and less like a Democrat with each passing day.

So take off the partisan blinders for just a moment. You're making utter fools of yourselves. Have we not been complaining about these exact same tactics for years? All of a sudden they're okay?

That includes the plagiarism charges and the fake outrage over the flyers and the mocking and the shameless attempts at rigging the delegate count and the excuses for losses ("A caucus is unfair!").

Enough already. Hillary Clinton is embarrassing Democrats everywhere.

[Dogmudgeon]

1. "So take off the partisan blinders for just a moment. You're making utter fools of yourselves."

:spray:

--p!

[jgraz]

Of course they'll be defending McCain

The last change they have to get "their girl" in the White House is for Obama to lose in November.

[jlake]

3. Maybe Obots should stop pissing off Hillary supporters if he needs our support.

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[lligrd]

14. You Already Said You Would Support McCain

I don't think we will be missing your support.

[jlake]

15. Then don't complain about Hilly supporters not supporting 0man.

[lligrd]

19. Not All "Hilly" Supporters Are Idiots

Most of them will do the right thing and support Obama.

[jlake]

22. 20% say they won't support Obama.

[lligrd]

25. I'd Say That Is About The Margin Of Total Idiots In America

Haven't a pretty steady 20% or so supported * throughout?

[jlake]

27. Well, when you add that 20% of Democrats, to the 29% of Bush Supporters to

the 20+% of people who like McCain you get a loss for Obama.

[lligrd]

35. LOL No, Actually Is Is Still 20% nt

[jlake]

29. You do realize that that is 20% of *Hillary* supporters - not Americans - right?

[lligrd]

36. I Thought Hillary Supporters Were Americans

Perhaps you have a point!

[jlake]

37. Um yeah. Polls show that Obama is within 3 points of McCain.... he does not have

a huge coaltion. And 20% of Hillary supporters say they will not support Obama.

[lligrd]

39. Since You Admit They Are Not Americans

perhaps those Hillary supporters shouldn't be allowed to vote. Don't you worry about Obama, he will do fine and make a great President.

[jlake]

40. WTF are you rambling about? Um yeah they are Americans..... you have a missing cog.

[lligrd]

42. Hey, I Was Simply Agreeing With Your Assertion

for the first and last time.

[ORDem]

53. Give it up people with any McCain matchup polls. They are worse

than meaningless at this point, 8 months from the GE.

:kick:

[jlake]

54. But the Hillary v McCain are like the word of God - right?

[jgraz]

Yes, we'll certainly miss those dozens of votes.

:eyes:

[jlake]

18. Heard it here first. Obama doesn't even need Hillary's votes.

Good luck with that.

[jgraz]

20. we don't need to kiss the ass of closet McCain voters, that's for sure

[jlake]

23. LOL I don't support McCain - I just oppose Obama that much.

[jgraz]

24. You've already said you won't be voting Obama in the fall. Why should we care what you think?

[lligrd]

43. So, You Will Vote For McCain "As A Last Resort"

like Hillary voted for the IWR and created the mess we are in today?

[jlake]

44. I will write in Hillary or Biden.

[lligrd]

45. Why Bother It Would Be A Waste Of Time And Taking Up

space at the voting booth? Kind of like your posts here.

[jlake]

46. It's called a Democracy - it is never a waste to vote your conscience.

You are a vile, vile person.

[lligrd]

47. Vile, Vile? Isn't That Redundant?

By all means vote your conscience no matter how wrong it is. Still a waste. I wonder if that means your conscience is?

[jlake]

49. Yes, I know it is wrong and wasteful to vote against The chosen one.

And no, there could never be too much repetition of "vile" to be redundant when the subject is you.

VILE TO THE MAX!

[lligrd]

51. So, I Have Taken Obama's Place As The Vile One Now

and you have promoted him to The Chosen One? I herby proclaim you, SILLY TO THE MAX!

[jgraz]

48. Are you kidding? It's almost always a waste to vote your conscience.

In today's winner-take-all system, voting is a pragmatic, tactical decision.

Go ahead and work your ass off for what your conscience tells you, but when you step into the voting booth, you are GOVERNING. And governing always involves compromise.

[jlake]

50. Okay. I either don't vote or vote for one evil or another.

[superkia]

26. If anyone chooses a candidate because a supporter pisses...

them off, they are only showing their ignorance and selfishness and would be a good McCain supporter. Our childrens future is at stake, we all see the country falling fast and to make a decision because the kid in school pissed you off is just ignorant and careless. Maybe when those folks let McCain in office, he can arrange another false flag event that will kill those same ignorant peoples families instead of those trying to do the right thing.

Good luck to our children and grandchildren when we have passed.

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[jlake]

59. Please don't call out other DUers.

[Nine]

17. That's a very ugly accusation.

Do you honestly believe that's how most Clinton supporters feel or are you just trying to be divisive? Or are you just a jerk who can't help yourself?

I see nothing wrong with the ad. Honestly, I would have seen nothing wrong with the ad if Bush had used it in 2000 except that the idea that he's the one I'd want in charge during a crisis would have had me rolling on the floor with laughter. What the Bush administration has done over the past eight years is used fear-mongering as a means to erode our civil liberties; that's a very different thing.

If you want to talk about an ad that used fear-mongering in an extremely ugly way, recall the Willie Horton ads used against Dukakis. The Clinton ads are perfectly standard, even mild, political fare. This is a non-issue.

[jgraz]

21. It's been said explicitly on this site. By several people.

[GoldieAZ49]

2. McCain already ran that ad in January

and Mondale ran the same ad against Gary Hart back in 1984, same writer that did Hillary's

Where ya been??? Were you complaining in 1984???

[Fredda Weinberg]

4. You've been complaining? Not me. I've been working w/first

responders here in NYC. When the general election comes, don't cry because your candidate doesn't command respect.

[maddiejoan]

5. Why would I defend an ad like that from McCain?

He's like the last person I'd want answering the phone in a crisis.

:shrug:

[dionysus]

7. but HRC people here are defending her "xerox" of his ad...

care to explain?

[maddiejoan]

9. It was a really good ad?

:shrug:

[dionysus]

10. not really, the response ad kicked it's ass...

[maddiejoan]

13. I didn't think so

Obama is banking on it, I know --but it just looked cheap to me.

I'm sure it pleased people who already support Obama, but it didn't really do anything meaningful for people who aren't already supporting him.

In fact --all it showed is that he can respond quickly --but not well.

[davidinalameda]

11. I'm not surprised by any stunts the Clintons pull

Bill wasn't exactly known for running clean campaigns

and Hillary isn't much different

it's the stench of desperation

[Political Heretic]

12. There was nothing wrong with the ad, except that it is a dumb message and poor campaign choice

There wasn't anything politically "foul" about running it. But Obama countered it masterfully and the Clinton campaign looks more and more like its grasping at straws.

[tandem5]

16. I don't envy you in your future stress levels if Obama wins the nomination...

This is negative and fear-mongering? HA! Just wait.

Perhaps that's my silver-lining for not having any emotional investment in Obama - I will finally be able to control my anxiety level through a general election.

[nonconformist]

28. If you defended Obama's right-wing Harry and Louise ads...

Spare me your feigned outrage.

[stillcool]

34. I just can't forget any of it...

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

[cottonseed]

30. I noticed the "missing in action" stuff this evening.

Looks like today she thinks she's running as a war hero. Who knows. :crazy:

[cooolandrew]

31. When you condone her tactics you say this is what I stand for, if Obama did this I would be firmly

I would be firmly and adamantly for HRC. My integrity isn't for sale. I feel my candiate has run a campaign as I would wish to run it myself, had I been in his postion. No, I am not as blind to say that he is sainted or unflawed but thus far I can say and look in the mirror I am proud of Barack Obama. :)

[The_Casual_Observer]

32. Sure, the world is a safe place. As long as you are hiding behind

that big keyboard.

[johnnydrama]

33. the main problem with the ad

Is that Hillary has 0% of that experience she claims Obama doesn't have, and everybody knows it.

[AtomicKitten]

38. Yep.

:toast:

[jgraz]

41. Good point, but that's not nearly the worst problem with the ad

The worst problem is that she practically wrote Obama's response for him. Who didn't see this one coming (besides Mark Penn, that is)?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x99151

[OHdem10]

52. One of the Top Houstone Chronicle Reporters said it was

an excellent ad to be run in Texas.

Are you saying the Democratic Party must not be strong on defense??

[iilana X]

56. K&R! n/t

[goodgd_yall]

57. The obvious difference:one is a Democrat and one's a Republican

Though the messages may look similar to you, they aren't. Anyone hearing what Hillary has had to say about withdrawing from Iraq and using diplomacy to settle international tensions should know that when she talks about being ready if a disaster happens means something entirely different than when McCain makes the same case. In McCain's case it means "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." In Clinton's case it means military action is a last resort.

[Beacool]

58. Oh please, your OP is an embarrassment in itself!!!!

Hillary is not embarrassing the party!!! I personally saw nothing wrong with the ad since I would much prefer to have someone with experience answering the proverbial phone than a newbie. Actually, she HAS heard that phone ring more than once in the 8 years that she spent in the WH and knows precisely how difficult those calls are on any president.

As for the rest of your list, this is nothing compared to what the Repugs will do to your guy if he makes it to the GE. Get used to it, it's called politics..........