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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:11 AM
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Regarding that possible TX lawsuit, it's pretty clear who made the threat.
Yes, I know people are saying that both campaigns denied any threat.

However, this is where original sources come in useful. Here is the letter that was sent by the TDP: link

Yes, the first thing you will see is that the letter is addressed to both campaigns.

However, please read the relevant paragraph:

"As you know, the rules and procedures that govern the 2008 Texas primary and convention process were actually developed by and utilized in previous Presidential cycles by many of your key Texas supporters and have been available to your campaigns well before voting, or even campaigning, had started."


Who are those "key Texas supporters?" They have to be well-established party members who are on the State Democratic Executive Committee and/or the Rules Committee at the State Convention, dating back to at least 2004 and 2000, if not before. These are people who have been actively involved in the party for 8 to 10 years.

And, those, by and large, aren't Obama supporters, folks.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:14 AM
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1. with no evidence -by and large - an attempt to smear Hillary by Obama supporter - as usual
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:15 AM
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2. "Spokesmen for both campaigns said there were no plans to sue ahead of the March 4 election."


"Spokesmen for both campaigns said there were no plans to sue ahead of the March 4 election."
http://www.kansascity.com/449/story/510802.html
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:22 AM
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4. key words: "ahead of" (!)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:23 AM
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5. ** Key point~~ "BOTH*
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:21 AM
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3. Yep. Like everything else, this is an excuse made up by Clintons to rationalize.
Hillary is ready to make up stuff on Day One, just like Bush was.

She's proved her basic dishonesty over and over the past two months, and that she will invent a new lie to explain away the plain truth.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:24 AM
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6. stop with the namecalling and dissing--see post # 2
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:26 AM
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7. The funny thing is...
that these "key Texas supporters" are 100% sure to be the same people who got Boyd Ritchie elected as chair of the TDP two years ago. It's the same people who were not real partial to the Deaniacs, and wouldn't support Glen Maxey for his chair bid because he was a Deaniac, (and a gay man! horrors! :sarcasm:) ... these are the people who are Clinton supporters now. And if the Clinton campaign then turns around and sues the TDP, well, that would be some sweet, sweet irony. LOL.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:17 AM
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10. That's why it'll be fun to subpoena them for an evidentiary hearing & require their sworn testimony.
We have a 7 weeks interval between Texas and Pennsylvania, and several months until Texas has its state convention, where the caucus selection method really comes into play.

We should give Hillary an evidentiary hearing within 30 days of March 5th, and require her and her staff to sit for video depositions in the 2-3 weeks following March 5th. She's got the time to do it, and since this is the lawsuit she filed, she should expect a hearing in a month, and expedited discovery in the two weeks following her lawsuit filing. That's how it's done. You take quick depositions and you get a hearing for extraordinary relief in a month or less.

I hope she sues, because that is a ticket to sit her down in front of a video deposition, swear her in, and require her to give truthful testimony under oath, under penalty of perjury, as well as the bar and court sanctions which may apply. Someone badly needs to give her a lesson in LAW, and how the filing of an application for extraordinary relief means SHE has to sit down and prove her case under oath.

It will be the end of her standing as a politician if she files this lawsuit and the Texas party countersues, requests expedited discovery, and makes the Clinton campaign answer under oath and on video for their lying, scheming ways.

It may be the ending of her law license, too.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:26 AM
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8. Wall Street Journal this morning
Clinton Irks Texas Democrats

The Texas Democratic Party charged that Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign "threatened" to challenge aspects of the state's two-step nominating process, just days before Tuesday balloting, which now appears unlikely to produce the blowout victory the New York senator needs to stay in the race.
TOUGH STANCE

Among other things, party activists said the Clinton campaign was trying to delay the release of the results from that evening's caucuses, where Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is thought to have an advantage. A delay in reporting those results would allow any Clinton victory in the popular-vote count earlier in the day to briefly dominate headlines and keep Sen. Clinton's presidential aspirations alive.

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The incident, which clearly angered Texas activists, raised fears among some Democrats that Sen. Clinton's hardball tactics could undermine the party and cost it the election in November. Glenn W. Smith, who ran the late Ann Richards's 1990 gubernatorial campaign, called the Clinton actions a "victory-at-all-costs strategy" and said it could "blow up" efforts to revitalize the state party.

In an interview with CBS affiliate KENS in San Antonio, Sen. Clinton said her campaign is "looking hard at the Texas two-step process because obviously it's an important part of how we're going to be picking a president. We want it to be done right, we want people to know what the rules are... . So we're hoping for some additional clarity before Tuesday night. We're going to do that." She added that the campaign is "going to have a lot of people at those caucuses and we think we'll do well."

The Texas incident comes on top of the Clinton campaign's challenges to party rules that stripped her of delegates in Michigan and Florida. It also follows an unsuccessful lawsuit filed by Clinton supporters in Nevada to close some caucus sites where Sen. Obama was expected to be strong.

-snip

Former President Bill Clinton has derided the Texas voting system as "the only time in your life that you'll get to vote twice without going to jail." But state party leaders pointed out that Sen. Clinton's Texas advisers helped write the rules two decades ago, and that Mr. Clinton twice won Texas's primaries.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120433252524504533.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:26 AM
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9. Another Billary moment...
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