McLaughlin calls Obama a "liar".

[Dhalgren]

I heard it on last night's "The McLaughlin Group". He said Obama had lied about his opposition to NAFTA. I found this morning that the story had been debunked, but the tenor of last night show was pretty bad. You had Elenore and Buchanan defending Obama and McLaughlin and that blond, Republican Pez-dispenser ripping him to pieces. How bad of a meme is this for Obama or has it no legs?

[TexasObserver]

1. Ay dios mio!! a 90 year old ex priest hates Obama!

Hell, I thought he died 20 years ago.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. McLaughlin is an ex-priest??? nt

[rucky]

9. You should see his rapid-fire roundable group confessions...

"...Wrong! Say 10 Hail Marys. Pat Buchanan, Confess!..."

[TexasObserver]

12. I can imagine him in a nun's habit. Pat, too.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. ha! And here I thought he was just an asshole :-) nt

[Tellurian]

43. And a Lying, Flying, Asshole at that!

[TexasObserver]

11. Yep. A Jesuit.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. Aren't Jesuits in Central and South America the ones that are libs and help the poor.....

.... and often end up dead at the hands of fascist dictators friendly to the U.S.? What happened to this Jesuit (McLaughlin)? He turned out sociopathic? lol

[TexasObserver]

27. Tweety and Russert are Jesuit trained. Do you like them?

No all Jesuits are created equal.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

50. Hell no! nt

[TexasObserver]

51. That's why when they're playing "host" they expect others to get on their knees.

And open their mouth.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

52. ROFL! nt

[JVS]

44. LOL.

It figures

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. All it proves, if anything, is that Obama is now the presumptive nominee.

So now they have to go after him.

[elixir]

4. And with that come scrutiny and examination that he won't withstand.

[Alexander]

7. He withstood it from Hillary - unless she's just a bad campaigner.

How are those grapes tasting? Sour?

[Window]

37. Oh, he'll withstand it alright.

More wishful thinking on your part.

[Dhalgren]

5. The issue was about Obama contacting the Canadian ambassador

and telling him that he (Obama) actually supported NAFTA, but would saying bad things about it in Ohio and to not be worried. This morning I read where the Canadian Embassy denies anything of the sort. But is this the kind of thing that Obama needs to address or just ignore?

[sueragingroz]

34. yes it has legs. and no, it's not debunked

But on Wednesday, one of the primary sources of the story, a high-ranking member of the Canadian embassy, gave CTV more details of the call. He even provided a timeline. He has since suggested it was perhaps a miscommunication.

The denial from the embassy was followed by a denial from Senator Obama.

"The Canadian government put out a statement saying that this was just not true, so I don't know who the sources were," said Obama. :evilgrin:

Sources at the highest levels of the Canadian government -- who first told CTV that a call was made from the Obama camp -- have reconfirmed their position. :hi:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080228/turkey_Gates_080228/20080229/

Since the Ohio Democratic debate last week, the Canadian government has fielded questions from opposition parties and the media about Obama and Clinton's anti-NAFTA rhetoric.

ABC News spoke to Goolsbee, Thursday, and who denied calling the Canadian embassy in Washington, or calling Rioux, but wouldn't confirm or deny whether he had spoke to Rioux about Obama's NAFTA rhetoric.

"It's not correct that I contacted them," Goolsbee told ABC News Thursday. "They contacted me at one point to say 'hello' because their office is around the corner :wtf: but it is not correct that I contacted them at all," he said.

"I am not confirming or denying any meetings with anyone," Goolsbee told ABC News, directing queries to Bill Burton, Obama's campaign spokesperson.

Rioux, who was in Ottawa for meetings this week with the Prime Minister's Office, told ABC News that he too will neither confirm nor deny whether he spoke to Goolsbee.

Both men live in Chicago, where Obama's campaign is headquartered. :pals:

The Obama campaign isn't responding to requests for information about the reported conversation between Goolsbee and Rioux.

I guess both Obama and Rioux are voting "present" on this one... :toast:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4365922

(smilies are mine)

[stellanoir]

6. That show is the worst scream fest around.

It's almost unbearable to watch.

[rucky]

8. Worst case is that neither of the 3 candidates really oppose NAFTA

It's nothing more than a lost opportunity for Obama.

[Dhalgren]

18. I agree that with the three candidates we have the corporations can

breathe easy. But is this issue one that Obama should address or is he best served in ignoring it? Even with the Canadians denying the contact, is this something the filth merchants will throw at him in October?

[rucky]

20. He needs to nip everything in the bud now.

Because we'll start seeing a shitstorm in about a month.

[City Lights]

10. McLaughlin is a legend in his own mind.

I admit, I haven't watched his show in awhile, so I'm curious...who is the 'Republican Pez dispenser?'

Did he allow Eleanor to speak last night? Most of the time he lets someone talk over her when she's making her point. :eyes:

[TexasObserver]

14. He was old and cranky 30 years ago.

If he hadn't been lampooned so much, no one would even know who he was. He's like that windbag who does the interviews with actors in the Actors Studio.

[Dhalgren]

17. The "Republican Pez-dispenser" is Monica Crowley.

I have never seen nor heard of her before, but evidently she is a syndicated radio host - and she is no friend to Democrats...

[City Lights]

24. Thanks!

I remember her from her days on MSNBC. :thumbsdown: I never paid attention to where she slithered after her MSNBC show was cancelled.

[TexasObserver]

28. She's Alan Colmes' Sister in Law, and a remorseless rightwing nut.

[Algorem]

13. i think he also predicted Clinton would win ohio and texas,not sure,

it was at the end of show where they all make predictions,i wasn't paying attencion





don't discount McLaughlin,though;seems to me over last 10-15 years he's gotten a lot more sane,or i've gotten a lot more insane,i'm not sure

[Dhalgren]

15. Yes, McLaughlin and the bumbling black guy sitting next to him

both predicted Clinton would win Texas and Ohio.

[Bluerthanblue]

33. well, the "bumbling black guy" sitting next to Mcla. also

put Mclau. in his place about the disasterous effects of NAFTA on Ohio- and the impact it has had on MANY people who aren't in the 'lucky' places who've benefited from it.

He also said that telling those in Ohio who had lost their jobs as a result of NAFTA to 'just move to another state' was pretty useless.

McLaughlin seemed terrified at the notion of any questioning of NAFTA- Someone, it may have been Buchannan, but I think it was Clift, also dissed bush's faux outrage over 'backing out of treaties'- listing all those this administration trashed.


It was an intersting, and strange exchange.

Their predictions are often either no-brainers, or personal desires, that mean little.


peace~

[Dhalgren]

36. You may not be old enough to remember Ed Wynn, but that is who

Cliff reminds me of - that is where the "bumbling" came from. Cliff is usually a source of sanity on the program, but he has such a hard time speaking that it sometimes is a distraction. Cliff and Elenore both seem to support Obama, though Elenore does give support to Clinton if the attacks are too one-sided. I agree that it was a strange exchange in general and McLaughlin did act like NAFTA was somehow personal to him...

[Bluerthanblue]

42. no, you are right, I'm not familar with

Ed Wynn- and Cliff does get walked over a lot on this show. It's kind of funny, my oldest son sometimes watches this with me, and he's always saying "Gez man- do your JOB!! Moderate! Moderate!"- It irratates the heck out of them when everyone is arguing at once-

But when he does get an opportunity to speak, what he says ofen makes good sense. And I tend to listen closer to those who speak with less shouting- ;)

Thanks for clarifing for me- I get where you were coming from now-

:hi:

peace~

[flyarm]

16. if any of these candidates opposed NAFTA they would be saying they will stop the roadway through

the midwest North American Union...NAFTA on Steriods it is called by some..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

and there will be a customs that will become the property of Mexico in Kansas City..heartland of america...

and looky looky who is involved...

About Hunt Midwest (www.huntmidwest.com)
Hunt Midwest Enterprises, Inc. is a Kansas City, Mo. based company comprised of two wholly owned subsidiaries: Hunt Midwest Real Estate Development, Inc., developer of over 6,000 acres of commercial, retail, industrial and residential property, and owner/developer of SubTropolis, the world's largest underground business complex; and Hunt Midwest Mining, Inc., 50% owner of the region's largest supplier of crushed limestone, Hunt Martin Materials, L.L.C. Hunt Midwest is {b]owned by Lamar Hunt's family. The Hunts also own the Kansas City Chiefs Football Club of the National Football League.

so do you honestly believe if any of these candidates were serious about stopping the pilfering of american jobs by Nafta..they wouldn't stop this thing?????? and renounce it???????

bullshit.,.none of these last standing candidates gives one rats ass about your job..this has been planned and executed..and it is almost complete...

and no one is better than the other..Obama will not be your knight in shinning armour..the fuck he will be..he is as involved as the other two..don't even try to kid yourself.

fly

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. It has not been debunked

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x98541

[monomach]

22. Canada said "Nope. Didn't happen."

I don't know how much more debunked you can get.

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. No they did not. They admitted it.

[Egalia]

40. CTV Stands By Obama NAFTA Story: Says Obama Official Was Austin Goolsbee

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080228/turkey_Gates_080228/20080229?hub=TopStories

[Ravy]

31. Canada said it didn't involve a specific person. Since then

CTV said who it was in the Obama campaign and who the diplomat was (different from who Canada's original denial referred to).

Both parties refused to deny.

[Dhalgren]

38. I stand corrected! Thanks. So this story is going to have legs,

after all. How will the Obama campaign deal with this rather blatant lie? All politicians may lie, but to be caught lying and when your campaign is based upon "change"...well, that's a different thing all together

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. I guess we'll find out. I think *ALL* the trade agreements are ways for the rich to enrich

themselves at the expense of the rest. That's all trade agreements are.

[Babel_17]

29. SNL used to have fun parodying the show

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=McLaughlin+group+snl&btnG=Search

[From The Left]

30. McLaughlin? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Vinca]

32. I heard that, too. The old fart and Monica Crowley were pimping

(OMG - she said "that" word) an already debunked story. It was pretty disgusting.

[Dhalgren]

39. You know, I thought it had been debunked, too, but evidently the

CTV producers are standing by their story. So this thing may have more legs than I originally thought. What should Obama's move be now, if this story won't go away?

[CyberPieHole]

35. Obama only lies when he opens his mouth...

at all other times he's just fibbing.

[From The Left]

41. Hillary Only Lies When Her Mouth Is Closed

[Major Hogwash]

45. That's it! I'm switching my vote to Hillary now because of McLaughlin!

Issue Number 2: Do more political pundits lie on teevee than on the internet?
Eleanor?
Yes.
Pat?
Yes.
Tony?
No.
New guy?
Maybe.

Issue Number 3: Preparation H, does it work better with the applicator or without?
Eleanor?
I don't want to discuss that here.
Pat?
Applicator.
Tony?
I wouldn't know.
New guy?
Tony just proved issue number 2.

Issue Number 4: President Bush said the Iraq War was good for the economy. True or false?
Eleanor?
True, he said it.
Pat?
Which part?
Tony?
True for both parts.
New guy?
You're not even going to learn my name, are you?

Issue Number 5: Democrats!
Eleanor?
Yes, there are Democrats.
Pat?
Well, of course there are.
Tony?
I don't understand the question.
New guy?
Is this a rehearsal?

Bye bye!

[candice]

46. Obama has lied about taking money from lobbyist (he takes it from lobbyist surrogates),

...lied when he compared his experience as equivalent to that of JFK and Lincoln, fudged history when he said in a keynote speech commemorating the March on Selma that he was conceived as a result of the March on Selma. That symbol of the Civil Rights movement happened several years after Obama was conceived and it involved American Blacks, not Kenyan college-exchange students who married whites in multi-cultural, mostly Asian Hawaii.

[sueragingroz]

47. "Obama NAFTA Flap about ready to explode" - American Thinker Blog

And it couldn't have been more timely:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/02/obama_nafta_flap_about_ready_t.html

WARNING: this is from a right wing site...

Obama NAFTA Flap about ready to explode
Rick Moran
This is all the more incredible because it has now been confirmed.

<snip>.....But Obama went a step further; according to Canadian TV he actually had one of his primary aides get in touch with the Canadian government and assure them that Obama was just demagoguing the issue and that he would not press for any major changes.

The Obama camp denied this story and called it a smear. Evidently CTV doesn't like being referred to as a liar because they have released the information that the Obama camp couldn't afford to have out there - the name of the Obama aide who spoke to the Canadian government:

The Obama campaign told CTV late Thursday night that no message was passed to the Canadian government that suggests that Obama does not mean what he says about opting out of NAFTA if it is not renegotiated.

However, the Obama camp did not respond to repeated questions from CTV on reports that a conversation on this matter was held between Obama's senior economic adviser -- Austan Goolsbee -- and the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago.

Earlier Thursday, the Obama campaign insisted that no conversations have taken place with any of its senior ranks and representatives of the Canadian government on the NAFTA issue.

On Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.

CTV is also reporting that their high level source in the Canadian government is reconfirming the visit by the Obama staffer.

This idiotic gaffe could easily cost Obama Ohio. And the Clinton campaign has a ready made issue of honesty and integrity fall right into their lap.

Goolsbee is Obama's Senior Economic Advisor so it's not like the campaign could argue he went rogue on them. It's just one more piece of evidence that far from being an "Agent of Change" Obama is a politics as usual sort of guy.

Whether his supporters start realizing that is unkown.

They are now calling it 'Goolsbee Gate'

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/the_daily_five_goolsbee_gate_c.php

Here are some organizations who are talking about it:

WSJ: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/02/29/canadian-tv-sparks-trade-tanglel/?mod=googlenews_wsj

TPM: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/another_version_of_the_goolsbe.php

I could go on. Just google/news Goolsbee.



(edited - typo in title)

[Dhalgren]

48. Jesus! This could really spiral right out of control!

How does Obama deal with this? What can he say or do to make this go away? Is this an example of over confidence or inexperience?

[Forkboy]

49. Here's some other tasty morsels from the misnamed American Thinker.

Hillary Ad Backfiring

Rick Moran
Reaction to Hilalry Clinton's "nuclear" ad shows that the piece may be backfiring on the candidate.

Some in the press have called foul at the ad that shows various children asleep in their bed with a phone ringing in the background. A voice over asks who you would rather be answering that phone in the middle of the night. The meaning is clear; Obama would not be able to handle a crisis.

In a conference call yesterday, the campaign couldn't answer a question about what crisis Hillary may have had to deal with:

Responding to the release of HRC's new TX TV ad, which asserts in no subtle terms that only she has the experience to deal with a major world crisis, and, relatedly, to keep your children safe, Slate's John Dickerson asked the obvious question: "What foreign policy moment would you point to in Hillary's career where she's been tested by crisis?" he said. Silence on the call. You could've knit a sweater in the time it took the usually verbose team of Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson and Lee Feinstein, Clinton's national security director, to find a cogent answer. And what they came up with was weak -- that she's been endorsed by many high ranking members of the uniformed military.
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Buckley and Reagan: The Qualities of Conservative Greatness
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Walter Cronkite, Vietnam, and the Decline of Media Credibility
Walter Cronkite’s remarks at the end of his February 27, 1968 evening news broadcast, four decades ago today, were a watershed in the history of the MSM’s credibility.
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Sylvester Stallone Deserves a Special Academy Award :rofl:
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The Materialist Faith of Communism, Socialism, and Liberalism
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The Left Wing School Agenda and the Banning of Patriotism
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Clinton Amnesia
A form of collective amnesia, powered by media bent on forgetting inconvenient truths, continues to shield the candidacy of Hillary Clinton
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The Return of the Wacko Vet Media Narrative (this one is especially odious)
As the troop build-up in Iraq produces positive results, many media outlets have seized upon a new anti-war narrative. It's right out of the Vietnam War-era: wacko and self-destructive vets running amok on the home front.
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In Desperation, Clinton turns to Sarcasm
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Hillary Clinton campaign steals AT intellectual property
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Ok... so are Democrats racists?
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Maybe that'll put a little perspective out there for anyone taking that site seriously for any reason. Many of the anti-Clinton stories I highlighed are written by the same person you're using.