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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:08 PM
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If Obama Wins, WIll This Be The End Of The DLC?...
The Obama v Clinton is just a front for the real fight that is happening. This is really the Dean v From election. bottom-up v top-down. 50 state strategy v red state strategy. DLC v DNC.

If Obama wins, will this be the end of the DLC in its current form? I doubt it will completely go away, but will it hold the same sway that it does now?

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:09 PM
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1. Nope. Wishful thinking n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:13 PM
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2. Rebirth, since Obama is completely DLC
..without the membership card.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:18 PM
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6. Obama dumped his name from the DLC and adopted Dean's 50 state...
strategy, and after this primary season, I think it would be safe to say that Obama is done with the DLC. Clinton is a DLC elder, and they have proven not to be so forgiving to those who they have felt betrayed them.

Obama burned a bridge this election. If he loses, and Hillary becomes the nominee, I will guarantee you that Obama is done on the federal level.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:34 PM
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19. As per "Black Commentator"
http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Barack Obama will not be carrying the Democratic Leadership Council’s baggage in his race to become the second Black person to represent Illinois in the U.S. Senate. The state senator and professor of constitutional law has told The Black Commentator that he is acting to have his name stricken from the “New Democrats Directory,” a list of several hundred DLC-affiliated elected officials.

“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend. “It does appear that, without my knowledge, the DLC…listed me in their ‘New Democrat’ directory,” Obama continued. “Because I agree that such a directory implies membership, I will be calling the DLC to have my name removed, and appreciate your having brought this fact to my attention.”

The statement caps a three-week public dialogue (see links at bottom of page) between and Obama, a veteran progressive organizer who headed the voter registration and mobilization drive that carried Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate in 1992 – the first and only such achievement by a Black woman. Obama faces a crowded and richly financed field of contestants for the Democratic senatorial nomination, next year. African Americans make up about a quarter of the Illinois Democratic electorate.

was shocked to find Obama’s name associated with the New Democratic Movement, an affiliate of what Bruce Dixon calls the “Republican Trojan Horse in the bowels of the Democratic machinery” – the DLC. In a June 19 Cover Story that included a letter from Obama, posed three “bright line” questions to the candidate, “that should determine whether you belong in the DLC, or not.”

1. Do you favor the withdrawal of the United States from NAFTA? Will you in the Senate introduce or sponsor legislation toward that end?

2. Do you favor the adoption of a single payer system of universal health care to extend the availability of quality health care to all persons in this country? Will you in the Senate introduce or sponsor legislation toward that end?

3. Would you have voted against the October 10 congressional resolution allowing the president to use unilateral force against Iraq?

asserted that a “Yes” answer to all three questions would be “anathema” to the DLC, whose leadership “has been unequivocal in their support of NAFTA, opposition to anything resembling national health insurance, and fervently in support of the Iraq war – basic issues of war and peace, life and death, and livelihood.”

Aware of Obama’s consistently progressive legislative record, suggested that the only “honorable option” was that he “publicly withdraw from the DLC.”

Here is State Senator Barack Obama’s response:

Dear Black Commentator:

Let me begin by saying that I’ve enjoyed the dialogue that we seem to be developing on these e-pages, and hope it continues as my campaign progresses.

I also appreciate your desire to focus on specific issues that should be of interest to all progressives, both inside and outside of the Democratic Party. My views on universal health care, the unilateral use of force in Iraq, and NAFTA are in fact what you might expect given my previous history and voting record.

I favor universal health care for all Americans, and intend to introduce or sponsor legislation toward that end in the U.S. Senate, just as I have at the state level. My campaign is also developing a series of interim proposals – such as an expansion of the successful SCHIP program – so that we can immediately provide more coverage to uninsured children and their families.

I would have voted against the October 10th congressional resolution authorizing the President to use unilateral force against Iraq. I believe that we could have effectively neutralized Iraq with a rigorous, multilateral inspection regime backed by coalition forces. Nothing since the end of the formal fighting has led me to reconsider this stance; indeed, the inability of Saddam Hussein to mount even token resistance to American forces, the failure to discover any significant, deployable arsenals of biological or chemical weapons inside Iraq, and the on-going turmoil currently taking place in post-war Iraq, have only strengthened my views on the subject.

And although I believe that free trade - when also fair - can benefit workers in both rich and poor nations, I think that the current NAFTA regime lacks the worker and environmental protections that are necessary for the long-term prosperity of both America and its trading partners. I would therefore favor, at minimum, a significant renegotiation of NAFTA and the terms of the President’s fast track authority.

You are undoubtedly correct that these positions make me an unlikely candidate for membership in the DLC.

That is why I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC. As I stated in my previous letter, I agreed to be listed as “100 to watch” by the DLC. That’s been the extent of my contact with them. It does appear that, without my knowledge, the DLC also listed me in their “New Democrat” directory. Because I agree that such a directory implies membership, I will be calling the DLC to have my name removed, and appreciate your having brought this fact
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:28 PM
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10. Then You Should Have No Problem Supporting Him
:nopity:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:15 PM
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3. IF????
you mean WHEN Obama wins-they are already obsolete. The 50 state strategy has proven itself to be a smashing success-it won us the congress last election and will widen the lead of dems over repubs again in November
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:32 PM
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14. Smashing success is right!
As long as we can keep running "American Idols" for office.

Not so sure it will work for politicians tho.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:16 PM
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4. It will be a repudiation of the DLC. News shows will likely go to Obama
strategist more often than to the spokespeople of a failed plan.

The DLC will continue as long as the corporate dollars roll in to fund them, but they will have much less influence.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:18 PM
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5. One can only hope.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:24 PM
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7. obama is DLC !!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 04:28 PM by flyarm
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/author/michael_kwiatkowski

"While researching a story on the Democratic Leadership Council for the internet magazine Black Commentator in April and May of 2003, I ran across the DLC's “100 to Watch” list for 2003, in which Barack Obama was prominently featured as one of the DLC's favorite “rising stars”. This was ominous news because the DLC was and still is the right wing's Trojan Horse inside the Democratic party."

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13158

Given Obama's record of gutting actual health care reform in the Illinois state senate, one can't help but nod in agreement when Matt Gonzalez explains:

Obama opposed single-payer bill HR676, sponsored by Congressmen Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers in 2006, although at least 75 members of Congress supported it. Single-payer works by trying to diminish the administrative costs that comprise somewhere around one-third of every health care dollar spent, by eliminating the duplicative nature of these services. The expected $300 billion in annual savings such a system would produce would go directly to cover the uninsured and expand coverage to those who already have insurance, according to Dr. Stephanie Woolhandler, an Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program.

Obama’s own plan has been widely criticized for leaving health care industry administrative costs in place and for allowing millions of people to remain uninsured. “Sicko” filmmaker Michael Moore ridiculed it saying, “Obama wants the insurance companies to help us develop a new health care plan-the same companies who have created the mess in the first place.”

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:42 PM
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20. More like "was" DLC. It's pretty safe to say they have divorced one another.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:26 PM
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8. No. n/t
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:27 PM
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9. yup yup
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:29 PM
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11. I WOuld Love to Believe Such a Thing
but I'm sure the fascist pricks will still be around, undermining the Democratic Party for Corporate America and the republican Party itself.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:30 PM
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12. Conservative Democrats will have more power in the party.
I do not know how this affects DLC.

If you notice Red State Democrats(most of whom are Conservative
Democrats were the first to embrace him and speak for him. He
has won with GOP,Indies and youth. They will expect something
in return. More conservative approach??
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:31 PM
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13. We can only hope n/t
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:33 PM
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15. Would be wonderful, wouldn't it? n/t
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:33 PM
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16. Obama will work with Republicans...
why wouldn't he work with the DLC, even "reaching out" to them?

I see the DLC becoming empowered if Obama wins.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:34 PM
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17. Nah, they're like
cockroaches.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:34 PM
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18. Obama is the DLC
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 04:36 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:46 PM
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22. Black is White.
You are wrong.

Hillary is a DLC LEADER.

Mr. Obama does not, and never HAS belonged
to the DLC.

Why do you post pure crap?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:42 PM
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21. FAR FROM IT.
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