If Obama Lies...will his supporters still support Him?

[KoKo]

Asking because it seems he did alot of "sliding" in his books...and WHAT do we REALLY KNOW ABOUT HIM?

Should Dems not do any "fact checking" just because they are desperate for a Candidate?

Should Obama's Rezko Ties be investigated? What about his affinity with his Kenyan Family? and what about his "half sister, Lolo's father and family?"

I remember when Billy Carter was a source of scorn for President Carter because Billy went off and did "deals with Libya" that defied his brother. Then there's Hillary's Brothers and Bill's "druggie Musician Brother" that the RIGHT WING JUMPED ALL OVER!

So...what about Obama's 4 or 6 Kenyan Family and why does some Kenyan who is supporting killing another tribe CLAIM LOYALTY ...as a COUSIN OF OBAMA?

DO WE NEED THIS?

[rug]

1. Yes.

[anonymous171]

2. Whitewater, vince foster, Hsu, etc, etc.

These false charges will be brought up again. So ask yourself: DO WE NEED THIS AGAIN?

[BeatleBoot]

32. Tried and Tested.

Clintons beat the Nazi Scum twice.

Obama scandals - not so tried, not so tested.

In fact. The General Electorate doesn't even know him.

Clintons beat the Republicans not once, but twice.

[anonymous171]

34. When did SHE ever beat them?

I though Bill was president?

[BeatleBoot]

38. Republicans just hated the fact that they were a team...

I mean it was venomous back in the early 1990's...

100 Reasons to Support Hillary Clinton

Reason #1 to support Hillary:
In Arkansas she was instrumental in straightening out their school system - taking it from one of the worst systems to a role model used by other troubled schools on how to improve public education.

Reason #2 to support Hillary:
In 2006, she led the fight to kill the anti-gay Republican constitutional amendment that for the first time would have added laws to the Constitution that would INCREASE discrimination.

Reason #3 to support Hillary:
After being pummeled by the public for trying to pass Universal Health care while she was First Lady, she dusted herself off and in 1997, led a federal effort that provided insurance support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.

Reason #4 to Support Hillary:
She was able to secure a raise in research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

Reason #5 to Support Hillary:
She initiated the Adoption and Safe Families Act.

Reason #6 to Support Hillary:
She's authored a great deal of legislation during her years on the Armed Services Committee that has passed regarding increased and improved benefits for our returning Iraq veterans.

Reason #7 to Support Hillary:
She was one of the key Senators who fought to give our military badly needed raises and increase in benefits. For being such flag wavers, it was the Republicans and Bush who resisted these attempts to show our military how much we value and appreciate them.

Reason #8 to Support Hillary:
Since 1974 she has been fighting for a woman's right to choose.

Reason #9 to Support Hillary:
She is fighting to lift the ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases.

Reason #10 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Reason #11 to Support Hillary:
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)

Reason #12 to Support Hillary:
Vows to protect next generation by paying off national debt.

Reason #13 to Support Hillary:
Fought in Congress to "Help people facing foreclosure; don't just bail-out banks." (Aug 2007)

Reason #14 to Support Hillary:
In 1962 she met MLK Jr. preaching a sermon in Chicago and learned from him the importance of equal rights for all.

Reason #15 for Supporting Hillary:
In 1965 she brought black classmates to her until-then all-white church.

Reason #16 to Support Hillary:
Since 1995 has criticized China's human rights abuses.

Reason #17 to Support Hillary:
IN 1988 Instituted gender diversity Report Card within the American Bar Association, which sets standards for lawyers in the U.S.

Reason #18 to Support Hillary:
In 1972 worked as a lawyer suing white-only schools, working with Marian Wright Edelman on enforcing school desegregation in the South.

Reason #19 to Support Hillary:
In October, 2000 she said it's not enough for America just to apologize for slavery and move on; we need to concentrate on civil rights now.

Reason #20 to Support Hillary:
Has been pushing for a "Privacy Bill of Rights" for all Americans since 2000.

Reason #21 to support Hillary:
Will end don't ask, don't tell in the military, "Gay soldiers need to shoot straight, not be straight." November 2003.

Reason #22 to Support Hillary:
Supports civil unions, with full equality of federal benefits.

Reason #23 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on adding violent crimes based on victim's sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes.

Reason #24 to support Hillary:
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance.

Reason #25 to support Hillary:
Freedom of Speech: Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration.

Reason #26 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)

Reason #27 to Support Hillary:
Voted more funding and stricter sentencing for prosecution of hate crimes. (Apr 2001)

Reason #28 to Support Hillary:
Voted to Require DNA testing for all federal executions. (Mar 2001)

Reason #29 to Support Hillary:
Although she was in college during the height of the drug culture in the late 1960s, she was devoted to work on civil rights instead of partying and taking drugs.

Reason #30 to Support Hillary:
She is fighting for Universal pre-kindergarten.

Reason #31 to Support Hillary:
Wants to establish an education "Bill of Rights" - Establish right to education from pre-school thru college.

Reason #32 to Support Hillary:
Since 1998 has fought publicly to keep art and music programs in public schools. "Arts education is needed in our schools."

Reason #33 to Support Hillary:
'Government should pay off all student loans for teachers who go to urban schools." March, 2000

Reason #34 to Support Hillary:
Wants a complete re-write, a Total change in No Child Left Behind. (August, 2007)

Reason #35 to Support Hillary:
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes.

Reason #36 to Support Hillary
Voted YES on spending $448B on education & debt reduction instead of Bush's tax cut for the rich. (Apr 2001)

Reason #37 to Support Hillary:
Wants to "Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us." (Jun 2006)

Reason #38 to Support Hillary:
Wants to build a "$50B strategic energy research fund from taxing oil companies." (Oct 2006)

Reason #39 to Support Hillary:
Wants to Invest in alternative energy; jobs that won't be outsourced.

Reason #40 to Support Hillary:
Called on U.S. to Ratify Kyoto; and fund more mass transit. (Sep 2000)
Reason #41 to Support Hillary:
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Reason #42 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on drilling for oil in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Reason #43 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Reason #44 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Reason #45 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Reason #46 to Support Hillary: (listen up Louisiana!)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Reason #47 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Reason #48 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Reason #49 to Support Hillary:
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes.
Reason #50 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on confirming Gale Norton as Secretary of Interior. (Jan 2001)
Reason #51 to Support Hillary:
Called on Bush to "Put someone in charge of Katrina recovery who actually cares." (Aug 2007)
Reason #52 to Support Hillary:
Her Support for green-collar job training
Reason #53 to Support Hillary:
Introduced bill to Better track kids' products for exposures to toxic materials coming from China.
Reason #54 to support Hillary:
Calls for the government to treat kids as "child citizens" not "minors" under the law. (Since Dec 1999)
Reason #55 to Support Hillary:
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition
Reason #56 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include poor Eastern Europe nations. (May 2002
Reason #57 to Support Hillary:
"Smartest strategic choice is peace." (Nov 1999)
Reason #58 to Support Hillary:
Calling for a NATO-enforced no-fly zone to end Darfur genocide. (June, 2007
Reason #59 to Support Hillary:
IN the 1970s worked to pass Constitutional Amendment to allow young people aged 18, 19, 20 to vote.
Reason #60 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on allowing lobbyist gifts to Congress
Reason #61 to Support Hillary:
Pledges to support $50B for AIDS relief in US and world
Reason #62 to Support Hillary:
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record.
Reason #63 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Reason #64 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Reason #65 to Support Hillary:
Says, "Torture cannot be American policy, period." (Sep 2007)
Reason #66 to Support Hillary:
She would never say anything as creepy and cult-like as "We are the ones we have been waiting for."
Reason #67 to Support Hillary:
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record.
Reason # 68 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Reason #69 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Reason #70 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Reason #71 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Reason #72 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Reason #73 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Reason #74 to Support Hillary:
Voted: No salary increase for Congress until minimum wage increased.
Reason #75 to Support Hillary:
Would accept minimum wage as president. (Jul 2007)
Reason #76 to Support Hillary:
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record.
Reason #77 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Reason #78 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25.
Reason #79 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing
Reason #80 to Support Hillary:
Admits she made mistake in believing in WMDs in Iraq after being mislead by the Bush Administration.
Reason #81 to Support Hillary:
Reaches out to conservatives but voting record is progressive.
Reason #82 to Support Hillary:
"Karl Rove is obsessed with me because I take Republicans on & beat them." (Aug 2007)
Reason #83 to Support Hillary:
Served as a Staff attorney on Watergate/Nixon impeachment investigation.
Reason #84 to Support Hillary:
1976: Organized Indiana for Carter-Mondale campaign. She knows what it is like to work on a democrat campaign in RED STATES!
Reason #85 to Support Hillary:
Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation.
Reason #86 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Reason #87 to Support Hillary:
Voted NO on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice.
Reason #88 to Support Hillary:
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record.
Reason #89 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition.
Reason #90 to Support Hillary:
At Wellesley in 1968, steered college anti-war movement.
Reason #91 to Support Hillary:
Recommended by EMILY's List of pro-choice women.
Reason #92 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
Reason # 93 to Support Hillary:
1980s: Led her church to found the largest daycare in Arkansas.
Reason #94 to Support Hillary:
1978: chaired Legal Services Corp. in President Carter's Administration - allowing Poor Families access to legal aid
Reason #95 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report to get us out of Iraq in a fast, safe manner.
Reason #96 to Support Hillary:
Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders eliminated by the Bush Administration.
Reason #97 to Support Hillary:
Worked with Evan Bayh, Al Gore, Bill Clinton and others in the 1980s to rejuvenate the Democratic Party from within.
Reason #98 to Support Hillary:
In 1969, she entered law school as "vehicle for social change."
Reason #99 to Support Hillary:
Calls to Increase spending for libraries.
Reason #100 to Support Hillary:
In October, 2006 - called for "Phased redeployment out of Iraq, beginning immediately.

[blm]

36. Poppy Bush rolled over in 92 because Jackson Stephens boy Bill would protect him on that

BCCI report due to be released in full in Dec 1992.

How did that work out for this nation in the long run?

And how did it work out for Poppy Bush, Jackson Stephens, Dubai and Saudi royals, Bin Ladens, AQ Khan, Marc Rich, Adnan Khasogghi, James Bath, and scores of others protected when those matters were buried throughout the 90s?

[Emit]

48. Thanks for popping in every now and then, blm

with this important info that some DUers probably have never even heard of. I hope people are doing their homework.

[blm]

72. Those who know nothing about BCCI, know nothing about this country and 9-11 and

the path to fascism this nation has been on for over 4 decades.

[cali]

46. nope. Gupta, Giustra

Bill's affairs in the past 7 years. Not so vetted. Not so tested.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

68. nothing but years of investigation ahead with a Clinton Co Presidency

if you think those scandals are put to rest, you are mistaken.

ANd if you think Bill has been careful since, you are mistaken.

The Clintons do what they want and break all of the rules and expect to be excused.

Just like with Hillary's vote for the war.

[blm]

73. The investigations will be BS stuff while the Clintons' protection of BushInc goes

unnoiced and unexamined. The BS stuff like Whitewater sure provided great cover for the enormous crimes of BushInc and Bush2's crimes of office that will require even more protection from Clintons.

[stevedeshazer]

3. no

[Avalux]

4. What the hell are you talking about?

So you've 'fact checked' for all of us and are here to tell us Obama is a liar and his family is evil. Geez.

[blm]

5. Better to support Obama than Clintons who we KNOW protect Bushes, Dubai and Saudi royals,

and Jackson Stephens when he deep-sixed BCCI matters throughout the 90s.....all of which led directly to Bush2, 9-11 and this Iraq war.

You think THAT shit is PREFERABLE? You want to come down on the side of KNOWING for certain with Clintons that Bush2 will be protected the same way?

[BeatleBoot]

6. An investigation of Obama-Rezko ties is inevitable

Fact.

Auchi (Iraq) ties with the $ 3.5 million loan to Obama....McCain/Rove et al will take care of that....plus some.

But I think U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald smells a rat and sees some smoke and he will get to the fire.

That's what he does best.

[Kittycat]

60. Fitz already said he isn't implicated.

Go sling your shit elsewhere. You're stinking up the board. In less than a week the street sweepers are coming through and cleaning the gutter up, and taking clinton with it.

[Iceburg]

74. He lied when he said he would not support the $87 billion war funding ..

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/22/obama_defends_votes_in_favor_of_iraq_funding/">Obama defends votes in favor of Iraq funding (when he previously stated he wouldn't vote to fund the war)
As a candidate for his Senate seat in 2003 and 2004, Obama said repeatedly that he would have voted against an $87 billion war budget that had been requested by President Bush.

"When I was asked, 'Would I have voted for the $87 billion,' I said 'no,' " Obama said in a speech before a Democratic community group in suburban Chicago in November 2003. "I said 'no' unequivocally because, at a certain point, we have to say no to George Bush. If we keep on getting steamrolled, we're not going to stand a chance."

Yet Obama has voted for all of the president's war funding requests since coming to the Senate, and is poised to vote in favor of the latest request when it comes to the Senate floor this spring. Liberal groups have demanded that lawmakers cut off funds for the war as a way to force its end, but Obama has joined most Democrats in the House and Senate in saying he would not take such a move.

-----------

Bottom line: He lied.

[sandnsea]

7. That's disgusting

What the hell does his Kenyan family have to do with anything. I've had enough of you to last a life time. Ignore.

[boston bean]

8. Well just today in RI Obama claimed three times that he was BORN to a single mother.

As far as I know his father left when he was two.

[cali]

16. Put up or.....

Post a link proving he said he was born to a single mother. I wouldn't take your word for it. That's for damned sure.

[boston bean]

29. Here you go.

http://www.necn.com/category/32/4296

go to min. 6 there about.

Now please don't insinuate that I am liar again. I may not like him, but I don't lie.

[boston bean]

40. Come on Cali, I put up! you got something to say now? nt

[boston bean]

42. yoo hoo anybody home? cali oh cali are you there?

[boston bean]

47. chirp chirp chirp

[cali]

57. Sorry, I have dial up

so I can't watch it.

[boston bean]

63. Well then turn on CNN because Suzanne Malveaux has been playing.

Or maybe some of your friends here can look at the video and that can tell you how wrong you are, so PM them.

And then apologize for insinuating that I am a liar.

[cali]

65. Don't have TV

and I didn't call you a liar. In any case, you're being ridiculous about this.

[boston bean]

70. Well the next time, be sure you can back your shit up. and yes you

insinuated I was a liar.

grow the fuck up cali.

[OhioBlue]

82. take a freakin' break

You sound ridiculous.

[Little Star]

50. I just watched that video and Massdemm is RIGHT. Why were you calling Massdemm a liar? nt

[OhioBlue]

81. he misspoke and corrected it

immediately after.

So, I don't think that qualifies as a lie.

However, someone that misrepresents it and tries to make an issue out of it.... well...... they are at least being dishonest.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. He said he was born to a *teenaged* mother, which was true.

And he was raised by a single mom, which was also true.

[NMMNG]

54. He said both

First he said "I was born to a single mom", then after a pause he said "I was born to a teenage mom".

The first statement was completely untrue. The second was true, though barely, considering his mom was 19 when he was born. His claim that he was "raised by a single mother" is rather dubious as well, considering his father left when he was two, and his mother remarried within a few years.

[ClassWarrior]

9. Everybody lies, to one degree or another. So your question is moot.

You don't have to like it, but it's a fact.

NGU.

[bicentennial_baby]

10. Look out!

[mtnsnake]

11. Support him? Half of them can lie just like him. A couple of them have already showed up, hahaha

[Window]

12. WTF???

[gristy]

13. wtf?

What about his affinity with his Kenyan Family?

Are you a human being? Are you sure?

[tabatha]

27. His Kenyan family are hard-working poor people

who have done absolutely nothing nefarious in their lives.

Having lived in Africa in my childhood, I know Africans - and most of them are hard-working, kind, decent people.

In agreement with gristy, why don't you go and live there for a year or two before you pass any bigoted innuendos like that.

[liberalhistorian]

35. I'm still picking my jaw up off the floor on that one-

it just boggles my mind that anyone here would even think such a thing. WTF does that have to do with anything? He's close to his father's family, so fucking what.

To the OP: His father was from Kenya and that's where most of his family still is. So, what, people aren't allowed to have an "affinity" with their family if they're from another continent or even country? How about if his father's family was European? Would that make you feel a little better. Sheesh, unbefuckinglievable.

[cali]

14. His "affinity with his Kenyan family"? That's some sick, sick

xenophobic shit there. Seek help. Really fucking sick. Disgusting and bigoted. They'd love this on Free Republic. You'd fit in with the hate crowd perfectly.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. Dunno. If Hillary Lies...will her supporters still support Her?

A fair question, wouldn't you say?

Or are you just planting innuendo?

[mtnsnake]

18. Trouble is, Hillary doesn't play that game

The Goddess of Peace doesn't have an untruthful bone in her body and everyone knows it.

Some people lie because they want to be popular. Others tell it like it is, like Hillary and most of her supporters.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

33. Do you use knee pads, or do you "rough it"?

Holy crap, talk about cultist worship.

[Arkana]

19. Sigh.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. Yep..

[Arkana]

26. That poor cat's brain will be replaced by a mashed amalgam

of Hillaryis44 slogans and "IT'S HER TURN GUYZ!"

Sad.

[JorgeTheGood]

21. Once he is nominated ...

his republican supporters will ditch him faster than the mafia scattered from Joe Barbara's house in Apalachin. LOL.

[texshelters]

22. only if

he lies better than Clinton. He's still far behind on that score. Clinton deinately has more experience in that area that will help her be a great President like Bush.

Tex

[texshelters]

23. only if

he lies better than Clinton. He's still far behind on that score. Clinton definately has more experience in that area that will help her be a great President like Bush.

Tex

[Faygo Kid]

24. "his affinity with his Kenyan Family?" Alerted.

Over the top, and I hope that Hillary's backers agree that this one doesn't pass the smell test. This is not the way to back your candidate, KoKo01.

[NastyRiffraff]

41. I agree, that's way over the top

The Rezko connection is fair game, and will be probed fully by the GOP, no matter how many Republicans are supporting him now. Leave the family out of it; it makes all of us look terrible.

[cali]

44. Thank you for saying that

this sort of crap comes off as really bigoted.

[AtomicKitten]

25. Hillary lies constantly and her supporters don't have a problem with it.

That paucity of character is indigenous to her candidacy.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. Ugly.

[LaurenG]

30. I'm not happy when either candidate lies, or sugar coats the truth

or accuses the other one of REALLY stupid things. I like the people who post here and if we have to post silly things in order to feel our candidate is still the most viable - so be it.


If we post something untrue believing it to be true is it still a lie? :shrug:

[Dark]

31. If a politician is breathing, he/she is lying. So it depends.

If he lies to me about supporting something and then turns around and goes against it, then that would shake my faith.

If he lies by saying he was born to a single mother, but it turns out she was *gasp* with his father until he was two, then no, I really don't care.

It all depends on context. Black and white absolutes is what got us into this mess in the first place.

[Auntie Bush]

37. Of course they will!

It's see no evil...say no evil and talk no evil with his supporters. They are blinded by the light!

[Radical Activist]

39. We already know the answer for Clinton supporters

since they Clintons have lied to us repeatedly.

Obama's ties to Rezko have been investigated thoroughly years ago. There's noting more there.

But what does bringing up Obama's extended family have to do with lying to people? Are you just rolling around in the mud?

[KoKo]

43. Obama DENIED he had contact with Rezko over House Pruchase..but it seems he gave him a Tour!

TRIBUNE UPDATE
Obama: I toured home with Rezko

By David Jackson and Bob Secter | Tribune reporters
2:44 AM CST, February 19, 2008



Before he bought his South Side mansion in 2005, Sen. Barack Obama took his friend and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko on a tour of the premises to make sure it was a good deal, Obama's campaign revealed Monday.

Weeks after saying he'd answered all questions about his controversial dealings with the now-indicted Rezko, Obama released new details about their purchase of adjacent lots from the same seller on the same day. But the disclosures by Obama's presidential campaign left unanswered questions and raised new ones.

Obama was able to buy the house for $300,000 less than the listed price while Rezko, in his wife's name, paid the full $625,000 asking price for an undeveloped side lot.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:RhfR5Tc7T8IJ:www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story+Obama+had+Rezko+do+House+tour&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[cali]

45. then you should have written about Rezco. Instead you outed yourself

by posting xenophobic, bigoted shit. We now know exactly what YOU are. And anything you post should be seen in that filthy light.

[Tatiana]

51. Yep. I thought a previous post was an aberration. But this $hit takes the cake. n/t

[KoKo]

52. DU Politico's are "up - to-date" on all this stuff...think about it!

Only the "hard core" politico's could stay on DU ...day after day..getting their brains bashed out...called liars ad trolls..unless they TRULY BELIEVE in what they are doing.

My point is that it's Obama's Side to cover his "lies" about his background ...and it's the "other side" to "expose the truth."

[cali]

66. There is no excuse for blatant bigotry and xenophobia

and that's exactly what you've been spewing. And that makes it clear what YOU are.

[Tatiana]

49. I don't need to use the "R" word or the "X" word because I think your post speaks for itself.

Tell me, what in the world is wrong with having family from Kenya?

What is wrong with having a half-sibling?

Come to think of it, what is wrong with you?

[KoKo]

53. Why would Obama's Campaign send "Dick Morris" to intersede between TRIBES in Keny?

Is THIS the kind of stuff we can expect from a new Obama Administration? ;shrug:

A sample...but if you GOOGLE..Dick Morris and his role in Kenya you might get more "direct hits:"

Commentary: Mr. Dick Morris Is Just A Spit In The Sea « Kenya ...
Dick Morris bashers have never raised a finger at these foreign and white ... Kenya costs a few shillings while here in Sweden, a cup goes for Ksh 170 and ...
kenyastockholm.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/commentary-mr-dick-morris-is-just-a-spit-in-the-sea/ - 41k - Cached - Similar pages
Kenyan opinion, analysis and debate - Does Dick Morris matter?
Nov 14, 2007 ... He even goes so far as to brag that he wrote their speeches. ...... The question of why Dick Morris is working 'pro bono' in Kenya when he ...
www.kenyaimagine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=904&Itemid=141 - 237k - Cached - Similar pages
Captain's Quarters
A Kenyan presidential candidate hired Dick Morris to help win the election, ... One op-ed in Kenya's The Nation newspaper laid out Morris' past ...
www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016062.php - 36k - Cached - Similar

[cali]

55. What the fuck are you spewing about now?

Are you actually claiming that Obama sent Dick Morris to .... Oh never fucking mind. Delusional hate.

[KoKo]

56. READ! READ!...READ...Calli!

[liberalhistorian]

71. Oh, she can read just fine, as can the

rest of us. I don't know what the fuck that post was babbling on about, it was nothing but gibberish. Kenya has millions of people and I don't think Obama's family is anything close to whatever kind of inner evil circle you think Dick Morris helped to paint around the.........or whatever the fuck delusional, xenophobic hateful stupid bullshit you were babbling about.

And you're not doing your candidate or her supporters on here any favors whatsoever, as most of them here would never stoop to such a hateful, xenophobic, delusional level, no way.

[Tatiana]

62. Who says Dick Morris was sent by the Obama campaign? WHY are you posting this $hit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyprn8P8FaU

[KoKo]

64. from "MyDD"...."Obama & Kenya"...some stuff.....

Obama and Kenya

by bJ Chicago, Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 05:48:57 AM EST


There is much more to the story of Kenya's election, however, a part of the story that has an American connection. That part remains untold since the media seems content to allow the Republicans to connect the dots. This is the largely untold story, and I relate it here.

Raila Odinga, the opposition leader, who claims that President Mwai Kibaki rigged his election victory, is Barack Obama's cousin. In a story reported by the BBC, Obinga celebrated his connection to the presidential hopeful by sharing his familial tie. According to Odinga, Obama's father was indeed his uncle.

If the family connection was all, it is easily dismissed because many of us have relatives we would rather forget. Sadly, there is more to the story. Mr Odinga's Orange Movement and its dominant Luo tribe have caused much of the violence in Kenya. The victims of the violence have been for the most part the Kikuyu, the Kenyan President's tribe.

That is not all. Odinga has a pact with the National Muslim Leaders' Forum, a hardcore Islamic organization that represents Kenya's Muslim minority. Odinga has promised Muslim leaders that he will establish Sharia courts throughout the country once elected. He has also promised to impose Muslim dress codes for women, prohibit the sale of pork and alcohol, and ban Christian preaching.

There is still more, and it takes us to the very crux of the matter. In the late summer of 2006, Barack Obama visited Kenya and vocally supported Odinga and his presidential ambitions. There are pictures on the web showing the two together. During that visit, the Kibaki government likened Obama to an Obinga "stooge," an unfortunate moniker for a presidential hopeful.

Why would Obama become involved in the internal politics of another country? What should Americans make of Obama's political endorsements and stumping for Odinga in Kenya? Surely, these incidents raise serious questions about Barack Obama's judgment and his understanding of international decision-making. Surely, Americans of whatever political persuasion should be concerned that Kenya, one of Africa's most prosperous, pro-Western states, is being threatened with the same fate as Somalia. Is this how Obama plans to work with other countries if he should win the presidency? This is a question that demands Barack Obama's answer.

In January of this year, our government asked Obama to urge Obinga to engage in bi-lateral talks to resolve Kenya's political crisis. At first, Obinga agreed to the talks. He has since dissed cousin Obama and rescinded his offer. So, why did Barack Obama risk his political capital on Odinga in August, 2006?


LINKS!.........WOW!!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/358174 6.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/397773 9.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/08/ 26/kenya.obama/index.html
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon21 2.htm
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/8/1 52220/5392
http://www.wideawakes.net/arena/viewtopi c.php?t=4976&sid=c4dd90953cce567c2e4 82f4dd97a8583

[Tatiana]

69. None of your links work. BTW, did you watch the video report?

See if you can fix the BBC and CNN links and I'll respond accordingly.

[Lucinda]

76. Here ya go: Morris in Kenya

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyprn8P8FaU

There are other links...but that's video.

Obama hasn't commented, but Odinga claims to be his cousin.

[Johnny__Motown]

58. Dude, if you have a cousin on a different continent why should you be held accountable?

Billy was a slightly different situation, growing up in the same house as Jimmy and all.

[KoKo]

67. If it was Hillary or Bill or any other Dem..would it matter? What about the Bush Crime Family that

wasn't thoroughly vetted by the "Corporate Media?"

There's a library of books on the BUSH CRIME FAMILY...but Kevin Philips: "American Dynasty" is a great Primer ...if one doesn't have time...working two and three jobs today..to deal with all off the stuff about what AMERICA has been "turned into" under the Republicans...who have gone with their Guru "PNAC" about America "invading any nation that that the P-Resident would EVER SEE as a threat...moving onto TORTURE...Coercion with outer Governments..and then into the WALL ST. CRIME/Rising Deficits and the RICH GROWING RICHER...and you get the deal... Or as a DEM...YOU SHOULD, by now, REALLY GET THEIR CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES@

[Lucinda]

77. The difference is that there is violence connected to Odinga's election results dispute

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7165406.stm

[trthnd4jstc]

59. Yes we should fact check, but what one family does is out of ones control.

I have a criminal brother, I love him, I hate his criminality. Sen. Obama has Kenyan relatives. I have not done the fact checking that the Opposition in Kenya is of his kin, if it is, so what? That does not make Sen. Obama complicit in murder. I am not responsible for my brothers' crimes, neither is Sen. Obama responsible for crimes of his family.

We should fact check. There should be an honest understanding of our candidate. We should honestly assess ourselves. If Sen. Obama becomes the Dem. nominee, he needs to honestly deal with his negatives. None of us are perfect, yet I believe that Sen. Obama is a good man. He is much better than Monkey Boy, and he will be much better than Sen. McCain, who will continue 4 more years of Republicanism. Our country needs someone like Sen. Obama. If he fails us, the Republicans would be working to impeach him also, and the Republicans would probably take over the House in 2010. The Democrats must succeed, and our candidate, either Sen. Clinton, or Sen. Obama, must work to be the best that they can be.

[Kittycat]

61. *sigh* Less than a week to go Obama Supporters.

These craptastic posts will then cease to exist - thank god!

[texas_indy]

80. Ain't gonna happen. The goal posts have been moved again. *surprise, surprise*

She is in till the convention, so get ready for the attacks to get nastier and nastier.

She could lose every state by 50% from here on and she will still go to the convention. She ain't dropping out.


Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU

[David Zephyr]

75. At least your transparent veneer of "impartiality" is now removed.

Please spare us from any more of your pretense of impartiality anymore.

[cali]

78. that's not the only veneer that's been stripped off. n/t

[Political Heretic]

79. Class, here we have a tragic example of what missing your meds can do.

:crazy:

Damn those crazy kenyans!! The seat of power for the Illuminati! :scared: