If Hill wins Tex and Ohio, will Obama

[RememberWellstone]

Quit the race and call it a day? I would think he could see the writing on the wall if he loses Texas and Ohio...you think he should just do the right thing and get out before he splits the party? He knows he can't win, why stay in?

[havocmom]

1. Somehow, I doubt it, what with coming off that string of wins he's had

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

16. ha! Somehow I knew that end of the sentence would be "Obama Quitting"

But, But...The Chosen One's Ego won't let him QUIT!..

After all, everyones been telling him, he's the ONE! Pffft!

GO HILLARY!

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/hillaryclinton_wideweb__470x308,02.jpg

[anonymous171]

23. Who's ego?

BTW Hillary is 60 not 44.

[Tellurian]

35. Hillary will be 44 in Jan 09'

Obama has the biggest ego in the room.. The thing is, he's starting to believe his own BS...for real!

Sad really.. when we need the "real" thing in the WH! again!

[billybob537]

2. Hillary WHO?

[sueragingroz]

3. hee hee. on this note i'm off to bed

have a great night everyone!

Even you evil obama supporters :evilgrin:

[TwilightGardener]

4. Nope, he'll still lead in delegates. It's on to WY, MS, and PA

[ingac70]

5. Unless she beats him by 15 points...

he's still going to have more pledged delegates.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Whaddya think Wellstone would say?

[RememberWellstone]

18. He would be proud

That I am independant in my thinking and don't follow a group of lemmings off a cliff.

[adoraz]

7. really hope you aren't serious lol

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

8. Um..... no?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's still about the delegates. Or is Hillary going to sue over that now, too?

[FrenchieCat]

9. Is it winner takes all?

he was behind in both states by double digits not long ago. :eyes:

[pocoloco]

10. Going into the hardware business???

just asking

[RBInMaine]

What have you been smoking??

Hillary was ahead in BOTH states by 15-30 points just a few weeks ago (depending on what poll you look at). She has had MAJOR long-standing
machine and demographic advantages in both states. Obama has now pulled both states to a tie in a span of a few weeks despite the Hillary demographic advantages and a huge negative campaign from both Hillary and the R's. No matter what happens, these two states will most likely be very close, and the real story will be that Obama made up so much ground. Also, that Hillary needed a HUGE win to start getting close in the delegate count. If she doesn't win both states by huge margins, she can't catch him in delegates. Right now both states are really too close to call. So we'll just wait and see.

[RememberWellstone]

15. What changed?

Did everyone discover how great Obama could be as President? Or is he a media creation? Makes me wonder..I knew about him months ago but that did make me jump to Hillary.

[ingac70]

20. He went to the states and campaigned.

Once they got to hear what he las to say in person, they started to realize how lame Hillary is.

[FogerRox]

31. Thanks RBInMaine, for some sanity in GDP

[DUyellow]

11. define win...

[anamandujano]

12. They can't make the connection between your thread and their thousands

calling for Hillary to step down and hand him the nom.

All his little caucus wins are so special to them.

[Omega3]

28. little caucus wins in republican states

[cali]

42. When he loses 11 straight and is behind Hill by 155 pledged

delegates, I'll think it's time for him to consider dropping out. And Obama has won MORE primaries than Hill. He's won more period. And if she wins by a blowout, I will think that everything's changed, but that's obviously not going to happen.

[saltpoint]

13. If Senator Clinton wins OH and TX, then IMO it will likely be by

modest margins in Ohio and a narrow margin in Texas.

In that outcome, the delegates would be split approximately evenly, again, depending largely on vote totals.

If she wins only Ohio, and Obama takes Texas, the rationale for Clinton to step aside is greater than the rationale for Obama to step aside, especially if his totals in Texas are more decisive than her totals in Ohio.

Neither emerges from most likely scenarios with enough delegates for a first-ballot win, and there's nothing to suggest that the remaining 12 states and territories will produce the margin of difference for a first-ballot win in Denver for either Clinton or Obama.

[jefferson_dem]

14. Such ignorance and delusion.

Wellstone would be ashamed that you have borrowed his name.

[RememberWellstone]

17. Wellstone is proud

I am not a lemming following a group of groupies off a cliff to the unknown...Paul would be proud of my independance.

[Tellurian]

19. Wellstone would be PO'd Obama called him a "gadfly"...

and royally kick his booty for the insult in the senate chamber!

[Drunken Irishman]

21. If Obama were down 100+ delegates, I think he would, yes.

And he should.

If Clinton is down 100+ delegates after March 4th, she too should quit.

[jenmito]

22. IF she wins 65% of the delegates from each state, she'll be closer to him in delegates...

so don't get your hopes up.

[maseman]

26. If she wins 65% of the delegates in both states

than pigs can really fly.

[FogerRox]

33. 65%, thats a joke. Not one state poll has Hillary up by that much.

The boat left the dock Feb 4th. Its over.

Donkey

[Upton]

24. Close Clinton wins are, in essence, Obama victories

since a close decision means the delegates will be broken up almost evenly and she can't gain on his 150-160 pledged delegate lead. The delegate math is all in Obama's favor. I might ask you, where and when is she going to make up the difference?

[Zachstar]

25. Do you realize you are talking about somehow Clinton winning by 20 percent?

In both states?

Oh and BTW. Thing about Obama is that IF he decided to exit early for some reason it will be a huge blow to the party. You WANT him to stay in the race and make Clinton defeat him by more states to solidify it later.

If he exits and slinks off it will leave a huge void (Remember that Obama is running a different race than the traditional races of the past) that the republicans will be quick to fill because they have been planning such for 8 years. Clinton has been weakened by the post Super Tuesday stumble and they will be quick to strike with the attack ads.

So in my view I strongly suggest you don't call him to exit like we are calling for Clinton to exit. It is 2 different aspects.

And no I'm not trying to be crappy to you. I am giving you my view and my suggestion to your camp.

[Kittycat]

27. Why, he'll still be winning after TX & OH - even if he doesn't win those states

:shrug:

[mythyc]

29. what a silly, stupid question

I tell you what, you answer this:

1) do you think he should quit if he still holds a delgate lead after TX/OH, even if she wins both states?
--while you're at it, why don't you acknowledge that no poll out there whatsoever gives her the margins she'd need to go ahead in either delegates or popular vote.

2) If she loses one and he strengthens his lead, do you think SHE should quit?
--keeping in mind that losing even one would mean she would NOT catch him in pledged delegates should she push the race to its finish

3) If she loses both do you think she should quit?
--keeping in mind that with this, the ONLY way she would win would be through unprecedented levels of corruption and murder-suicides of the democratic party

...

what a silly, stupid thread you posted. I wish we could "anti-recommend". this thread = :hurts:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. I would hope he has the decency to.

[Yael]

32. He is 11-0 this past month

But you have another 10 days to carp -- so have at it!

[femrap]

34. HRC has won CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY,

FLORIDA, MICHIGAN, and MASSACHUSETTS....you know, the states where lots of people live!

[havocmom]

44. So, she can lead the United States of Hillary. AMERICA, however seems to prefer Obama

get over this idea that a few can overturn the many

[femrap]

46. So you would like to see California, New York,

New Jersey, Michigan, Florida, Massachusetts leave the union...these big population states count nothing to you?

I guess math wasn't your best subject. Florida alone had more Dems vote for HRC than all of those 10 primaries in a row. HRC is only 125 delegates behind out of a total of roughly 4,000.

I used to ask my boss if he had to unzip his pants to count to 21...

If BO gets the nomination, msm is gonna hit him like a ton of bricks. TPTB want to run against BO...he has lots of smearable dirt. HRC has none...with her, we could have talked just issues. Look what they did to Kerry and he was a decorated soldier of Vietnam. BO won't know what hit him. Be prepared.

You'll see.

[Recursion]

49. No, just realistic enough to know those states aren't going for McCain

We're talking about, you know, reality here.

[femrap]

55. Florida? Michigan?

Hell...look at CA...they got rid of a Dem Gov with a special election and now have Arnold.

Take off those rose-tinted sunglasses!

[PseudoIntellect]

50. Are you serious?

Just WHO is leading the popular vote count on the Democratic side? How about when you include Michigan. How about when you add Florida as well?

[femrap]

56. Your name says it all, I guess. ignored.

I can't take any newbie who just discovered politics.

[Eurobabe]

36. Nice try!

Pass the mop. You'll need it when Obama is finished with Hillary on Tuesday.

[CTLawGuy]

37. no

he's ahead. and winning OH and TX by 2 points won't save Hillary.

[GalleryGod]

38. Hill won't. She loses even Pa. by 12-15%

She doesn't even have a FULL SLATE of delegates in PA.
Thus the Obama slate in some Pa. CD's gets the win with 1 friggin' vote.
Ah...that Patti "I AM Hillary" Solis...what a friggin' Genius,Eh?

[wileedog]

39. If she doesn't win both, will you promise to call for her to quit?

[Califooyah Operative]

40. haha

he's only won like 11 in a row and 26 of 37 contests. He's also outraising Clinton alsmost 2-1 and double, tripling, and quadrupling her crowds. He'll also probably still lead in delegates. But yea, you're right. (not.)

[Inchworm]

41. If I can do Amazing Grace outter my ass...

wait..

hummmm in G

:hi:

[ButterflyBlood]

43. Hillary loses 11 times in a row. Obama loses twice. Obama's finished?

LOL. Nice hackery. Especially since Hillary won't be anywhere near Obama in delegates even with victories there.

No Obama's not quitting, nor is there any reason to. And all Hillary would do in that scenario is delay the inevitable.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. Yes. If He Cared About Party Unity, He'd Do The Right Thing And Drop Out.

God that feels good to say to the other side, even if I don't really mean it lol.

[Johnny__Motown]

47. He will still be ahead by 150 pledged delegates, she can't catch up no matter what

It is over for her. It has been since Wisconsin. She is just making herself look foolish by showing that she is unable to grasp the obvious.

[OzarkDem]

48. I doubt it, he'll be in denial

as will his fan club. They'll eventually have to accept it, though.

[PseudoIntellect]

51. Obama: GAH! I'm only 12-3 in the last month! Time to quit!

Lost two races by like 2%, versus a month of winning by 17+. Obviously, I don't have what it takes.

[BringBigDogBack]

52. After winning 11 out of the last 13?

:rofl:


Where was this post after hill lost 11 straight?

What an idiot.

[karynnj]

53. He will likely still have over 100 more delegates

unless they are HUGE loses of the sort no one is predicting. Given he will win a landslide in VT, use the rule of the HRC campaign - as the former first lady and the best known woman in the country, if she doesn't win all 4 ......

Seriously, if those two states are close and RI and VT cancel each other, she will still be 100 pledged delegates behind - with a dwindling pool left to win. The math is daunting.

[AZBlue]

54. WHY WOULD HE? HE'D STILL BE AHEAD.

Seriously people, please, for the love of God, get a grip on reality.