January 6, 1962, JFK said "There is no city in the United States in which

[peacetalksforall]

I got a warmer welcome and less votes than Columbus, Ohio."

I wish someone had purchased two copies and sent this book to Clinton and Obama before they announced. The Kennedy Wit published the Citadel Press in 1964. Nice reading. White reading, I deep thinking how nice it would be if Clinton and Obama were more witty and less serious about containing each other. Kennedy must have been a warm person.

[MadMaddie]

1. I guess we have to look at it in context right...when JFK was

alive Mass Media was in it's infancy, talk radio was pretty much non-existent. People then were not bombarded by images over an over again like we are today...no candidate today can get their true personality across with the way media is.

[ben_meyers]

6. Right you are.

If todays media had existed in the 50's I wonder if JFK would have even made the Senate. Just look at some of the parallels to the last few elections.

He's Catholic and will be taking orders from the pope. He would be PT109boated by the PT109 vets for truth. The story has been questioned and probably was embellished. It would be said that "Profiles in Courage" was largely ghost written, again much of it was. His dad Joe Sr. was reported to be a booze runner and did have some questionable banking deals. Joe also was thought to be supportive of Hitler while he was Ambassador to England. Dad did have sister Rosemary lobotomized because she was a bit of a wild one and might embarrass the family. Of course there were the reported ties to the mob, I guess Jack did go out with a gangsters girlfriend. And I don't think the press would have kept quite about the other womanizing and drug problems. And had he lived he would have been pilloried for the "surge" into Viet Nam.

Maybe we were lucky back then and he probably was a warm person.

[mrcheerful]

7. The founding fathers were no different then the Kennedy family

America was founded by smugglers, The Boston tea party wasn't about taxation without representation but because taxed tea from The King was cheaper then the tea the founding fathers smuggled in and it ruined the tea smuggling business. The founding fathers were very good at saying one thing and then hiding the reason behind what they did by smoke and mirror tactics. Loosing profits from tea taxes became taxation without representation.

[ben_meyers]

8. But as Stephen Ambrose said

Information in those days traveled at the speed of a horse, not 24/7 cable and internet instant "news".

None of them were saints and yet some people still are looking for a savior.

[mrcheerful]

10. Yeah that was my point, seems prezinuts are supposed to be saints that protect

one group from groups they don't like. Since 1979 I voted Dem, Even some of the ones I didn't find so thrilling got my vote, Dukakis, for example. But then like my grand pa said don't vote a republican in office for any government position. Well the way he said it was, "I wouldn't vote a republican to clean the back of the dog catchers truck".

[saltpoint]

2. Even his fiercest detractors could not deny his personality and wit

and capacity to inspire.

At the risk of being tossed overboard as a maudlin observer of events since November 1963, I would just say that I miss John F. Kennedy very much.

[MadMaddie]

3. I was born in 65 I didn't get a chance to experience him or his brother

What a different world we would live in if JFK, Bobby Kennedy and MLK would have lived.

[saltpoint]

4. Hi, MadMaddie. What a gracious thing to say, and I suspect you are

exactly right.


:thumbsup: :hi:

[MadMaddie]

5. It's funny the things that come into focus as you get older.

:hi:

[mrcheerful]

9. I was talking to a few people born between 1968 and 1974, I was born in 1956

and I found that none of them knew the childhood I grew up in nor the America that I saw. It dawned on me that the only America they experienced was Reagans america. They said some interesting things, both Dem's and pukes are in politics for the money from rich people and the working class and the poor were being cheated. I was at a loss for words and then It dawned on me, the only america they ever saw, for the main part, Was the one that the pukes gave them. They don't remember the war on american poverty, nor do they have a clue about how life was before affirmative action. The only world they knew was the Reagan war on the poor and it struck me that they were using puke code words for racist ideals, welfare queens, you have to be black or illegal to get welfare, SSI or job programs. When I pointed out that wasn't true, they had plenty of "personal" experiences to back their views up, yet failed to see that they were also living on SSI or fighting for SSI, after a first rejection, yet they know a black person that got it after only a 6 month waiting period, excuse me but we know thats untrue. Their reaction? They are not voting because all politicians regardless of party only care about the rich.

[MadMaddie]

11. And that my friend is what Michelle Obama's statement was

about during our adult lives we have only known and experienced the Republican way of life crap on those that are trying to survive and get ahead and reward the rich crooks and cronies. Destroy any form of representative government and move to a facist style of government.

We are obligated to vote the Republicans out because if we don't succeed, what is remaining of the America that the world once aspired to be will be gone.

The Republicans do not care about this country - they only care about themselves.

[Bucky]

12. I was completely unaware that there were *any* aphorisms about Columbus, Ohio