A shady land deal or 4,000 dead soldiers

[maseman]

I'll risk voting for Obama who possibly did a shady real estate deal rather than Hillary who supported George Bush's war against Iraq. Sorry but priorities first.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. Yes

if only Clinton had voted no on a resolution, the whole war would've been averted. :eyes:

This is Bush's war.

[maseman]

3. That's nuts

That's like saying to your kids "OK, I know you're gonna have sex so just go ahead and do it already."

[Skidmore]

2. Well, with Hillary you have

4,000 dead soldiers AND a shady land deal among other things.

[From The Left]

4. Brilliant!

[madmom]

5. So you're saying if Hillary would have voted "no" there would be no war? ..

yeah right!!!

[maseman]

6. Go ahead kids

I know you're gonna smoke so just go ahead anyway.

That is the logic of your argument. Ever hear of doing something based on principal? Sure Shrub would have gone to war...so endorse it? What type of lame-ass excuse is that for Hillary?

She didn't want to seem "soft on terra" because she subcombed to the Republican media and talking heads. Political calculation. Nothing more, nothing less.

[madmom]

7. but by you're logic it's ok to long the other way on a "shady land deal"..

why should either get a pass?

[maseman]

8. You must be kidding me

You are putting 4,000 dead soldiers and a shady land deal as equals in the grand scheme of things? Do I really need to address this question?

Questions

How many families were devastated by a land deal?
How many families were devastated by a loved one killed in Iraq?

How many children are motherless or fatherless because of a land deal?
How many children are motherless or fatherless by a loved one killed in Iraq?


I don't think any type of corruption is good. But show me ONE politician that has made it as far as President without any shady dealings along the way. A random blowjob, land deal, savings and loan...they all have something going on from the past.

But we are talking giving Bush a thumbs up for what will be the longest and most expensive war in the US history. I cannot forgive that.

[bigtree]

9. It's fun to make shit up.

The ONLY real control Congress has on Bush's ability to mobilize and deploy forces is in providing or denying money for him to operate. Obama voted (along with Clinton) for EVERY Iraq funding bill until 2007. Bush can't hide behind a resolution that he virtually ignored as he exercised assumed authority under the War Powers Act and deployed troops to Iraq. Obama can't hide his neglect to even raise the issue in his official capacity in the Senate until 2005, behind a speech he made while he was a state legislator in Illinois.

[maseman]

11. Yup

Making stuff up.

Hit the link.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

For the record if Obama voted for this as Hillary did I would not be voting for him. I am still torn about voting against funding. If one troop died because of a lack of funds then it wouldn't be right. The only way to end this war is an anti-war President. Hillary is no more anti-war than Bush.

[bigtree]

12. Just winging it, aren't you?

"no more anti-war than Bush"

Good luck with that.

[maseman]

14. How is she against this war?

Tough talk on the campaign trail? Oh that makes up for the war vote.

[bigtree]

17. you must not read much.

[madmom]

10. Like putting words in people's mouths I see, no where did I say they were equals, I said

why should either get a pass? Why should Obama not have to lay it all out there on this? If he's hiding things here what else is he hiding? OR if he gets it out there now it gets it "taken care of" before the GE and the repugs have less fodder. So that seems like a win-win to me.

[maseman]

13. I agree with you on that

I think the one good thing for a drawn out primary is that it will be harder for Republicans to drudge stuff up. My original point wasn't about if it is good or not to bring up all skeletons. My point is that if I have to choose between two people my #1 issue is the war in Iraq and our soldiers being killed in an illegal war. Hillary voted to authorize the war therefore I cannot vote for her in the primary.

[Vinca]

15. Oh - when you said shady land deal, I thought you were going back

in time to Whitewater and the 15 people convicted in that nonevent. Common sense would say, if there was a story behind Rezko it would be out there. What journalist wouldn't want to hang the destruction of a presidential candidate on their belt?

[RBInMaine]

16. NOTHING illegal about the land deal. Already vetted.

[NYPat]

18. Hillary had one vote and it passed 77-23

Hillary's vote did not decide the matter. Let's not give her all the blame. Obama says he would not have voted for the Iraq resolution IF he was in the Senate. Hillary's says she would not have started the Iraq War IF she was in the White House. Do we know that Obama is more honest or has a better record of backing up his words with actions? Obama hasn't admitted to a "shady real estate deal" but IF he did participate in one it was solely his decision.