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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:14 PM
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Superdelegates are elitist--why do Democrats use them more than Republicans?
This is cross-posted at http://newsprism.wordpress.com">the Newsprism Blog.

Why Are Superdelegates More Prominent in the Democratic Party???

The so-called "superdelegates" in our nomination process account for about one-fifth of the delegates who will choose our nominee. Made up of elected officials, former office holders, and appointees, these 796 party apparatchiks are in no way beholden to the voters of their respective states.

The question: is the superdelegate system undemocratic?

The easy answer is, clearly, yes, at least a little bit. Superdelegates take power away from the people and concentrate it in the party hierarchy. For some history of the superdelegate system, check out Godfrey Hodgson's take at http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/democracy_power/america_world/superdelegates_election">OpenDemocracy.net.

In more broadly historical terms, the presidential electoral process is far more democratic now than it was when the Founders of the nation first designed our democratic republic. Benjamin Franklin, asked as he left the Constitutional Convention what kind of government had been created there, quipped, "A republic, if you can keep it."

We temper the passions and shortsightedness of the masses by keeping a fine balance between pure democracy, which Plato called "mob rule," and republicanism, in which the rule of law enforced by an elite insures the rights of all of the people despite the worst inclinations of the majority of the people. Slavery was as undemocratic an institution as could be imagined, but was supported by a majority of the people until Abraham Lincoln resolved to "form a more perfect union."

Neither democracy nor the Constitution is infallible. Both should be subject to enlightened revision. The question concerning the superdelegate system should not be, "is this undemocratic," but rather, "is it good for the party and the country?"

The Founders saw fit to leave the election of both the President and the Senate in the hands of the state legislatures, not the people, though all 50 states have ceded that power to the people. The Electoral College and the party system still act as more or less elitist buffers between the people and the highest offices in the land.

The superdelegate system is more democratic than what the Founders envisioned, but less democratic than the direct popular election of the president proposed by many Democrats, http://feinstein.senate.gov/05releases/r-electoral-college010605.htm">like Dianne Feinstein.

Is there such thing as a system that is too democratic? Democrats would generally say, "Of course not." Republicans would generally say, "Of course."

The irony is that the Republican Party uses a process that's far more democratic than the process used by the Democratic Party.

If anything needs to change, maybe it's this: the advocates of a purer democracy should adopt a system that more accurately reflects their Democratic philosophy, not that of the patrician protectors of the Republican elite.

You can follow the superdelegates nationally and in your state at the http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Superdelegate_Transparency_Project">Superdelegate Transparency Project.

http://www.newsprism.com">Newsprism
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:16 PM
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"in no way beholden to the voters of their respective states"
They're ELECTED OFFICIALS.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

This article lost me right there.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:19 PM
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2. You're wrong--not all of them are elected
Also, they're free to cast their vote for whomever they choose...they're not beholden to the voters of their state.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:31 PM
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4. They are almost all current office holders or DNC members.
Both of which are elected and therefore accountable.

The "emeritus" folks who are not current elected officials are a pretty small number.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:34 PM
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6. Emphasis on the word, "almost"
And on the fact that they're not beholden. Clear enough?
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:33 PM
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5. While I'm at it, the whole idea of Rule 9a was to have delegates with the independence to override
the voters.

Get the facts before you laugh first (someone else will get the last laugh. But this is what I expect lately at DU.)
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:34 PM
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7. Over half of them are not
the biggest contingent by far is selected DNC members.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:41 PM
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8. Here are the actual numbers
48 members of the Senate, 221 members of the House of Representatives, 31 Democratic state governors, 22 "distinguished leaders", 398 Democratic National Committee (DNC) members, and 75 "add-on delegates" (yet to be decided)

Who wants to figure out how many of those were elected? It wouldn't be a bad idea...

http://newsprism.wordpress.com">NewsprismBlog
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:16 PM
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1. Because elements in the party were frightened by George McGovern.
:eyes:

NGU.


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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:24 PM
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3. Rule 9a was passed after Reagan's victory
McGovern's loss was part of the impetus, as was the chaos in '68, but it seems the history is more convoluted than the myths suggest.

And that's a problem--few understand the SuperDels as well as you do, or even knew about them until this election cycle.

btw, what's NGU?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:59 PM
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12. NGU = Never Give Up...
...my motto since 11/03/04. :hi:

Do you know where one can find more background on the SDs?

NGU.


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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:04 PM
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13. Try these links
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:45 PM
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9. Open Primaries and Caucuses is why...rethuglican crossover voters muddy the Dem waters and .........
....it is the super delegates job to purify it.
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ctaylors6 Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:46 PM
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10. fwiw, here's Geraldine Ferrero's op-ed about incorporating superdelegates after 1980 election
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:53 PM
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11. The truth will out! Thanks for the link n/t
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