And so it begins: Pressure mounts for Hillary to withdraw from the race

[Tropics_Dude83]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080302180625.67chkk5n&show_article=1

Democratic grandees who are supporting Obama said that for the sake of party unity, Clinton should consider her options after Tuesday's primary battles as the Republicans rally behind their heir apparent, John McCain.

The pressure on the former first lady intensified as new polls suggested she was deadlocked with Obama in Texas and Ohio, far from the kind of blowout wins that she needs to overhaul his lead among Democratic delegates.

However, the former first lady has come out firing against her rival, issuing an ominous television spot that suggests Obama would be ill-prepared to protect US children in the event of a foreign-policy crisis.

"This is a wartime election," she told a rally Sunday in the Ohio town of Westerville.

"For some people, this election is about how you feel. It is about speeches. That is not what it is about for me," she said. "It is about solutions."


One party elder not yet endorsing either candidate, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, said "the bickering between these two very fine senators is going on too long" as they fought running battles over national security.

[AngryAmish]

1. I'm sure her campaign will greet this with the same dignity they have displayed throughout

[Tropics_Dude83]

2. Remember Charlton Heston at the NRA in 2000

You'll remove this gun from my "cold dead hand" Mr. Gore.

I suspect HRC will tell the democratic party that she'll withdraw over her dead body or 'cold dead hand.'\

The flood gates are going to open come Wednesday though.

[rug]

3. "she was deadlocked with Obama in Texas and Ohio"

And she should quit, why?

[Tropics_Dude83]

4. So we can unite against Mccain

and because her only path to the nomination is with supers, with having lost the popular vote, and with seating FL/MI. Other than that, she has no prayer whatsoever.

[rug]

8. What's Obama's plan to enter the convention with a majority,

short of browbeating an opponent pulling the same numbers?

[karynnj]

34. She's not pulling the same numbers he has 150 more pledged delegates

given the number each have - this is over 10% more. Given how many are left to be decided, she needs about 60% of the remainder to tie him. If they split the delegates left evenly - he will get the nomination.

(I know every source has the delegate count different - but he is clearly ahead)

[bigtree]

5. . . . the coronation. Obama has to find delegates somewhere. He can't win enough for the nomination

. . . relying on votes cast alone.

[karynnj]

39. If he has more pledged delegates he will very likely get more than

half the superdelegates.

Consider the counter situation - Where is HRC going to get the delegates needed? Then consider her position - How does it look when the establishment candidate, said to be inevitable, who was already in the WH for 8 years as First Lady is GIVEN the nomination by insiders after someone else won say 5% more delegates? (That's allowing HRC to make up ground)

She needs to win and win big this week - as she was predicted to two short weeks ago.

[Unsane]

7. Because only large-margin victories will propel her ahead of Obama

Not narrow, close victories. She could win every primary narrowly from here on out and STILL fail to surpass Obama in pledged delegates. That's what happens when you get blown out 11 times in a row. If she fails to win big on Tuesday, she needs to quit. There is no other point in continuing; all it does is hurt Obama, as he has to fight two opponents instead of one.

[rug]

9. And he cannot gain a majority before the convention.

Why doesn't he quit for party unity?

[Unsane]

12. Because he has the most pledged, elected delegates.

Why would he quit when has more pledged delegates? She cannot win the popular vote; it is statistically impossible.

[rug]

15. Why should she quit if they're deadlocked?

If he can gain a majority, more power to him. Otherwise let them fight it out at the convention. Are you actually worried Mccain can beat Obama?

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[Zhade]

36. Because he's winning?

They don't tend to quit.

[rug]

37. Neither do people who are deadlocked.

[Zhade]

42. Except she's not deadlocked OVERALL, just in a state or two. Maybe.

NT!

[rug]

43. That's the point of holding elections, not conducting polls. Let the democrats vote.

[Zhade]

48. I have no argument with that idea.

But she's still probably going to lose.

[Johnny__Motown]

10. Because she needs 65% of the delegates out of both to begin to catch up. Deadlock is to little

to late


MTP now says that if she wins both 52-48 then she needs 70& of all remaining delegates after 3/4. The math just gets worse every time she does not get 65% of delegates or better. (I have not done the math yet myself, taking their word for it)

[rug]

14. What percentage does he need to gain an actual majority?

[Unsane]

16. Huh? He currently has a majority of pledged delegates.

Neither can win the required amount (unless Hillary were to drop out). One will, however, have more elected, pledged delegates. And that person, who's won the will of the people, should be the nominee. Unless Hillary wins by huge margins on Tuesday, she will not be able to achieve this.

[rug]

He can get a majority if he connsistely polls 60%+ in the remaing contests

He can't.

[WVRevy]

26. I'm not sure, but I believe anything around...

...44% in every state from here on out would give him more delegates than her. It's not about getting a "majority"...it's about not approving of having the vote discounted to give the nomination to someone else. NEITHER candidate can get the "magic number". Actually...that's not quite true. Hillary needs to hit about 65% of all the states where she is competitive (including Texas and Ohio) to get ahead of Barack. Barack needs around the same percentage to REACH the magic number.

But that's ultimately beside the point. He will have the lead in delegates going into the convention. PERIOD. End of story. There is no way in hell she can get that lead. The only way she wins the nomination is if it's handed to her by the super delegates, and that isn't happening.

[rug]

30. It is about getting a majority, not a lead. End of story.

If he can't he should not try to elbow her out.

[Johnny__Motown]

27. without super delegates? are we mixing apples and oranges here?

[rug]

33. The bottom line is if neither candidate enters with a majority of elected delegates,

the convention, including superdelegates, decides. For better or worse, those are the rules and either candidate will emerge and beat McCain. Unless the loser's supporters stay home and pout.

[karynnj]

44. He can get less than 50% to get the majority of the pledged delegates

To say he needs 50% of the (pledged plus super delegates) is silly. Many of those superdelegates will be his. Given his current percentages - you would need more than 60% of the superdelegates to go with HRC after he ended up with about 6% more delegates than he did. It won't happen.

[Spider Jerusalem]

52. Because it becomes mathematically implausible that she will secure more delegates?

If Tuesday's primaries...all of them...are a dead even tie, and both candidates receive the same number of delegates from each state, Obama maintains a lead of 150 pledged delegates. (Hillary's superdelegate lead is irrelevant; they can, will, and in fact have been switching.) The very SIMPLE fact that delegates are alloted proportionately, and that it becomes likely that Hillary would need to win EVERY REMAINING PRIMARY with OVER 60% of the vote to take the pledged delegate lead, make a compelling reason for her to drop out; put simply, she can't WIN, and anyone who actually thinks she'll get the nomination at the convention, not having actually WON MORE DELEGATES, is delusional and totally separated from reality.

[DJ13]

6. "This is a wartime election," she told a rally Sunday

Bush in a pantsuit.

God Im tired of this kind of politician.

:argh:

[WillyT]

11. Part Of The Kitchen Stink Strategy I See...

:puke:

[BeatleBoot]

13. CNN has Hillary up by 5 points in Ohio

Columbus Dispatch has her up by 16 points.

[From The Left]

20. CNN Says Hillary Can Walk on Water, too

[karynnj]

46. She really can - it's cold outside and it is now ICE

CNN still would call it a miracle.

[From The Left]

17. Hillary Is Tone Deaf and Won't Listen

She'd rather tear the party apart and crawl up the steps of the SCOTUS building DEMANDING they install her in the White House, a la, George W. Bush!

[Mojambo]

18. "This is a wartime election..."

Fucking pathetic fearmongering garbage.

[trashcanistanista]

50. Gawd, isn't it though?

I totally agree.

[DemGa]

19. Of course the Obamanation will go rabid regardless of the outcome---nt

[JVS]

21. Hillary go home!

[Zhade]

22. Wow, she's using the "your kids will die" schtick that BUSH uses.

What a fucking disgrace she's turned out to be.

[Meshuga]

25. No kidding

And expect to see more of it if she wins. That's why I am hoping she loses.

[Zhade]

41. Indeed. I don't support Obama, but I do OPPOSE Clinton.

NT!

[Meshuga]

23. Someone who cannot pass Obama in pledged delegates...

...staying in the race with negative campaign is a HUGE present to McCain and to the Republicans. She can stay and keep the strategy but she will be hurting the party and Democratic chances in November.

If she wins with a large margin in OH and TX then I don't think there should be a demand for her to drop. But if she loses of beat Obama by small margins she should quit otherwise she is only hurting the party.

[ruggerson]

24. This is DRUDGESPIN

Breitbart is Drudge's news outlet.

Some of us are paying attention.

[AZBlue]

29. "Wartime" thanks in part to you, Senator Clinton!

We're voting for the candidate that will END wartime.

[karynnj]

31. There is no there there in this article

The closest they get to substance to go with their speculation is the Richardson quote which can be read that he is unhappy with the tactics, not the continuation of the race. "It's up to her" seems the answer that most Obama supporters I saw this morning give to the question of whether she should suspend if she loses either Texas or Ohio.

THIS IS THE MEDIA LOOKING TO SCOPE A BIG STORY.

[ruggerson]

35. it's Drudge, Karynnj

OP got it from a Drudge link.

It's rightwing spin with nothing in the article to back up its headline's assertion. Nada.

[karynnj]

45. Thanks - I didn't see that - but the content was just not there

[loveangelc]

38. i would hope she would drop out if she loses either of those states.

its not over tho.

[Political Heretic]

40. "this is a wartime election" - never in my life did I ever think I would hear democrats using

the exact same lies of the criminal Bush adminsitration to try to win elections.

[anamnua]

47. Nuts!

- the reply of the American commander of Bastogne to a surrender demand by encircling Germans in 1944.

[Zhade]

49. Did you really compare those who don't support Clinton to Nazis?

You guys are getting desperate.

[totodeinhere]

51. I hope she does drop out, but...

I am afraid that they are going to have to drag her out the door kicking and screaming.