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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:02 PM
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Somebody is out of touch...
There's things going on that we don't know. We don't have to be Doctors to take the pulse of America. However, when the majority are voting different from me, something is going on. I must be missing something?

Some people seem to be taking this "change" thing much more seriously than others? Do they really think we are in such bad straits? That they would vote for wholesale change over proven experience? How could they possibly do something like that?

How is it possible that they do not think like I do? They must be delusional? After all, many of them are very educated, so it has to be something that I am missing? What could it be?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:04 PM
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1. Maybe it's time HRC changes from a landline to an iPhone
(kidding)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:06 PM
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2. Career politicians rock.
I like the status quo too.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:09 PM
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3. "That they would vote for wholesale change over proven experience?"
"proven experience" equates to "more of the same" politics that has led our country into the mess its in.

People no longer want DC insiders running our country.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:10 PM
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4. The 10 million or so who voted for Hillary Clinton are voting for 'change' and experience
. . . as Barbara Jordon once said, "Change. From what, to what?"
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:13 PM
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5. So I guess the only difference is :
who do you believe?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:15 PM
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6. Belief comes from prespective.
What they believe may be as important as who they believe.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:19 PM
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8. And what they believe...
..may be determined by what they have experienced in the past? Is Hillary the agent of change or is Obama the agent of change? At this point in history, anything status quo or connected to the political past is questionable. Please don't ask us to return to that prison. We will take the unknown change over that.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:31 PM
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19. the entrenched interests who block that change are the problem
not those who've been on the front lines railing against it. Don't try and convince me that the majority of our party is to blame, or Sen. Clinton. It's just not what I witnessed.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:59 PM
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20. Everybody is crazy....
but me. I'm simply saying, there is something going on and it is in larger numbers than you and I might believe. To simply ignore it or to pretend it isn't happening is not reality.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:17 PM
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7. Motivational speakers make millions giving talks to corporate managers but little if anything comes
from their sermons.

Each Sunday, ministers and priests give motivational talks to a willing congregation but little if anything changes after the people leave.

Classes in schools and colleges are filled with eager students some of whom really want to learn, but only a small fraction of a professors' lectures are ever used.

It seems as though our society is determined to mold people into docile sheep ready to follow the goat with the most charming bell.

Of course I could be wrong.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:24 PM
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9. But we have heard these ministers and priests give these talks many times...
They are old and stale. We are looking for something new? Why? Because we know the old cannot be trusted. We do not that yet about the new.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:41 PM
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10. Agree, but a dear friend who is a minister with 50 years experience keeps reminding me, "When all is
said and done, more is said than done."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:43 PM
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11. We shall know them by their fruits...
We can know their future by their past.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:47 PM
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12. We should join ranks and peddle our own road "dog and pony show". n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:49 PM
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13. Like George Carlin said last night...
It's all bullshit.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:55 PM
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17. I know, but our approach would be like Heracles Fifth Labour, see graphic below.


:hi:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:57 PM
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18. We could supervise the cleaning up...
of the mess left behind by George Bush and the Republicans. And it is a huge, steaming mess. No doubt about that.

:hi:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:52 PM
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15. I miss the days when people listened to their elders...
I didn't, now looked back, wish I had, but can change for the future, but still fear it won't make a difference anyway.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:53 PM
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16. These are the good ol' days?
Scary, isn't it?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:50 PM
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14. I think we might very well be heading into bad straits as time goes on...
But still, why would candidates use the term loosely; particularly Obama? An awesome orator, and being a leader is about bringing the people together. Both our candidates have that in their favor, but I am hoping more for Clinton at this point; but as charisma goes, both appear far superior to McCain.

Maybe they're all figureheads, but as it stands, the two on 60 Minutes tonight came across as real.

Again, looking forward to next week - how will McCain present himself.
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