Pickles has been First Lady for almost as long as HRC does that make her a foreign policy expert?

[book_worm]

Just askin' since apparently being First Lady is a big part of Hillary's claims to being ready to answer that phone when a foreign crisis comes up at three in the morning.

on edit: apparently people can't answer the question if being first lady makes somebody a foreign policy expert? Alright I won't use Pickles as an example. Did being first lady make Pat Nixon, Babs Bush, Nancy Reagan, Roselyn Carter, Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson or Mamie Eisenhower foreign policy experts?

[fenriswolf]

1. LOL thats a great point

[SharonAnn]

56. But Pickles has been drugged all that time.

[Darth_Kitten]

2. At least Hillary knows Canada has a prime minister, not a president.

just saying.....

[chascarrillo]

15. And she knows that Russia's new President is Medev... Medeveh... whatever.

[JVS]

17. His name is Soulless Russkie Jr.

Duh!

[lutefisk]

55. The "whatever" slam was not good. She needs to work on that!n/t

[JVS]

16. Canada has a queen. So bow and scrape a bit, peasant!

[Lerkfish]

3. FWIW, I'm no Hillary fan but I would assume she's more qualified than Pickles

but you make a valid point.

[bridgit]

4. A falsity exists here...

HRC possesses more even generalized experience in her pinky finger than Laura may ever...and strange post indeed :thumbsdown:

[book_worm]

7. you don't get the point then

it's not that HRC isn't brighter than Pickles it's that being First Lady doesn't automatically make somebody a foreign policy expert.

[bridgit]

20. Firstly, HRC *is* brighter than Laura imo, and being hand-maiden wife...

to g.w. bush is what requires no further consideration.

[grasswire]

5. ridiculous

There is no comparison between Laura and Hillary. Bill and Hillary were a political and policy team; Hillary was bright and involved. George and Laura are not -- it's not possible to be part of a team with a narcissist. Nor are either of them interested in policy, only appearances.

[lapfog_1]

12. That's funny

I don't remember her name on the ballot in '92 or '96... don't remember her taking an oath of office either.

I just don't see how she claims this "experience" other than that of First Lady. I don't care how much "policy" she was engaged in.. the one public example was her first attempt at health care reform... which went nowhere.

I didn't vote for a team. I voted for a President. Period.

[BearSquirrel2]

39. Hillary had no security clearance ...

I remember they made a point to distance Hillary from policy making after the health care debacle. How can they come back and claim she had all that experience. She wasn't even in charge of the political side of things, that became the purview of Dick Morris.

[Joey Liberal]

6. Pickles is no where near as smart as HRC n/t

[book_worm]

10. What does that have to do with the question?

It seems that people are missing the point. It's not that Pickles is smarter it's that being First Lady doesn't really make anybody a foreign policy expert ready to answer that phone at three am.

[Joey Liberal]

13. Hey, I'm not defending Hillary

I'm voting for Obama. Fuck Pickles.

[boston bean]

8. She has more foreign policy experience than Obama. but no

she is not qualified for president for other reasons and neither is he.

[Orangepeel]

9. I'm an Obama supporter and I don't think that's a fair comparison

Clinton's time as first lady was, IMO, much more comparable to Eleanor Roosevelt's than to Laura Bush's. I don't think Clinton was co-president by any means, but she is much smarter, much more curious, much more involved and much less whacked out on tranquilizers than Laura Bush is.

[madrchsod]

11. yes it does....wait a minute....

does bush have a foreign policy?

[JVS]

14. YES!

[Lucinda]

18. Wow! That's sooooooo original!

We've never heard THAT before. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[OhioChick]

19. Good Point. n/t

[Dr.Phool]

21. Pickles-Barney '08!!

Campaign slogan: "Fuck it. We're going to the dogs anyway".

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

22. Larva's judgment is highly suspect on the basis of her choice of husbands.

Anybody who'd get horizontal with Dubya is too nuts to be entrusted with the nuclear launch codes; I don't care what other credentials she might have.

[Beaverhausen]

23. Oh right- like Chimpy discusses foreign policy matters with Pickles

:rofl:

[Bread and Circus]

24. Great point. My wife can't do my job and I can't do hers.

Familiarity does not equal experience.

[rainbow4321]

25. HRC admits "she had never made a middle-of-the night decision affecting U.S. policy"

So if she didn't hold security clearance, why would she be "involved" in making decisions..she shouldn't have even been TOLD about anything that needed decision making.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030208dnpolclinton.1188a434.html


Mrs. Clinton said she "was involved in a lot of decisions that were made," in foreign policy during her husband's administration but acknowledged under questioning from reporters that she had never made a middle-of-the night decision affecting U.S. policy.

"No one who hasn't been president has ever done that," she said. The Obama camp noted that she did not hold a security clearance in her husband's administration.


<snip>


Earlier, Mrs. Clinton rejected Mr. Obama's suggestion that her campaign is resorting to fearmongering to try to win votes. "I don't think the people in Texas scare all that easily," she said.

She cited her experience of traveling to 80 countries during the Clinton administration and said it better equips her to compete with Mr. McCain,a Vietnam War hero with long foreign-policy experience in the Senate.

[BearSquirrel2]

43. Worse than that ...

She was given weeks to prepare for the phone ringing. She didn't read her homework and messed up the call.

Obama has lived in various locations around the world. From the standpoint of familiarizing himself with foreign cultures and understanding the nature of what those overseas call "American Arrogance" I think this makes him far more worldly than ANY candidate involved in this contest.

[Double T]

26. First Lady Laura Bush doesn't give a SHT about politics.

She is just along for the turbulent ride.

[Mme. Defarge]

27. One could argue

that Nancy Reagan ran the country during most of her husband's presidency.

[bridgit]

28. Via her psychic palm reader, yes...

:thumbsup:

[Independent-Voter]

50. I'd buy that, especially the second term.

[TexasObserver]

29. Except Pickles never sat on Walmart's board or sold out to globalists.

[City Lights]

30. Let me just say that 'as far as I know' Pickles and Hillary are equally qualified.

:evilgrin:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. for you ...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHW0RzXe4DQ

[DemGa]

31. Silly, silly point

"Pickles"s off tending roses on Prozac.

Just no comparison. Absurd.

[Dhalgren]

32. If you are saying that all women are the same then you are an idiot.

There is no way that "Pickles" could even carry Senator Clinton's law degree. The idea that you would imply that all women are the same and if one was a "First Lady" then they all were the same is just plain stupid. If that insults you, good!

[beachmom]

52. Ah, the usual "you're a sexist if you criticize HRC" meme. Um, it's the same job position.

Which is ceremonial. So the question is a good one, including the edit that includes other First Ladies, or First Spouses, if you want to go gender neutral. HRC did not have a national security clearance as First Lady, and worked on the softer issues internationally of women's rights and refugees. All praiseworthy, but not particularly impressive as resume action to be President. Obama was doing nuclear proliferation work with Dick Lugar on the international scene while serving on the SFRC. That sounds pretty damned impressive to me.

[Dhalgren]

53. So if George Bush and Albert Einstein had held the same

ceremonial position, they would be equal? what a fucking joke! This is not a if you criticize Clinton you are a sexist anything. The OP said that all first ladies were the same and that is sexist bullshit. Are all Presidents the same? Are all teachers the same? Are all anything the same? Well if they are women, evidently... :puke:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. LMAO you dare to even try to compair......pickles was an elementary school librarian

call your Dr. your meds ned adjusting

[Dhalgren]

34. I don't know, did any of them shine in foreign policy the way Senator

Clinton has? You are simply showing your sexism and if you don't "get" how this is sexist, I am not surprised...

[stillcool]

36. It depends on if the phone rang...

Gen. Wesley Clark, a Clinton supporter and the former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, plugged the TV ad while introducing Clinton on stage and suggested that her tenure as First Lady prepared her to be president.

"She's been in the White House when the tough decisions were made," Clark said, looking over to Clinton. "I guess you've been at the bedside when that phone rang at 3 a.m. in the morning."

Clinton was joined at the event by three generals, including Clark, and a Navy Rear Admiral.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/29/clinton-obama-missing-in-action/#more-5639

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. Here.....let me assist you out of your ignorance ...............

...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHW0RzXe4DQ

[Middle finga]

38. Good question... that's about like a military spouse claiming they are

combat ready just because they are married to a veteran.

[Omega3]

40. well, she was not your average first lady, everybody knows that.

[dugggy]

41. NO! Because Pickles does not sit on any meetings

where as Hillary was intimately involved with Bill in making
political decisions.

[stop the bleeding]

42. yes but pickles does not know how to answer a phone

DUH:P

[Whisp]

44. sounds like it all comes down to air miles.

apparently Hillary claims to have visited -80+ countries, that's what she claims is her foreign policy experience.

I wonder if her vacations are also lumped into that.
"oh, I see something foreign in my drink!" - chalk it up to 'experience'.

[unblock]

45. there's a BIG difference between being first lady with a brain and pickles.

[Ino]

46. Pickles seems to think so

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/29/laura-bush-ive-been-in_n_70298.html

"First Lady Laura Bush said Sunday that she is much more involved in policy than many people think"

Get ready for the Laura Bush 2012 campaign!

[Raejeanowl]

47. Eleanor Roosevelt

Some first ladies are different, have the intellectual brio, and/or have that kind of PEER RELATIONSHIP with their husbands. And several on that list were more deeply involved in the work of their respective administration than others.

And please, do tell me what qualifies Obama at all, much less, BETTER in this regard? The two years he's spent in the U.S. Senate, and with one of those running for President? That's 99% of his credibility problem with me: Throughout his career, he's spent more time trying to win the next job than he has doing actual work in ANY incumbent position.

[CTLawGuy]

48. Id take her at her word

as far as I know...

[mmonk]

49. Yes.

[DS1]

51. The only policy Pickles has been involved in is requesting more buffalo sauce with her tenderloins

[leftofthedial]

54. just as much as Clinton

[busymom]

57. If a first lady is given a role

in the government, I would consider her experience to be a qualification. AND, if after her husband leaves office if she were to become a senator and continue her work, I would see that as valid too...regardless of who she is.