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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:19 PM
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Crocodile tears from Obama supporters
Several months ago McCain chuckled when a supporter in the audience commented about "the bitch."

Obama was silent.

For over a year, there have been many innuendos and direct comments about Hillary's sexuality, her "shrill" her hair, makeup, "botox."

Obama never rose up to defend her. No, all he said was that she was "likable enough."

So when Hillary does not jump up and down on "60 Minutes" to proclaim that Obama is a Christan who believes in Jesus, perhaps even a born again who believe in the rapture, she is now being tarred and feathered because all she said was that she "takes him at his word."

What wa she supposed to say? Demand that that everyone listen to her when she says that SHE KNOWS for a fact that he is not a Muslim?

But, hey, Obama supporters, like the man himself, do not display a lot of logic.

When someone attacks Obama, he should be defended.

When someone attacks Hillary, well she probably "deserves" it, right?

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:22 PM
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1. this is somewhat hysterical
By the way, Obama apologized for the "likable enough". He said it came out wrong; he should have said "plenty likable".
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:23 PM
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2. And streeeetch.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:23 PM
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3. ok-- Which Obama supporters have ever said any of those?
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f the letter Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:25 PM
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4. oh good lord.
This whole muslim interview thin is just stupid. Both sides are really grasping at straws now.. some desperate stuff. No need for it, it's not doing any good for anyone.

Meanwhile, likeable enough is high praise for Clinton as far as i'm concerned.. i couldn't do any better. What's he supposed to say?
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:28 PM
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6. I wouldn't dare say what I think about Hillary's opponent
you aren't allowed to..............
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:27 PM
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16. I think you should say it
In fact, you should make a thread about it. I'll lead the rally to get it on, and up the Greatest Page. :thumbsup:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:41 PM
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24. I'll second that.
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Tess49 Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:37 PM
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42. Me neither. Too scary to even think about doing.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:26 PM
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5. Was Obama asked about the McCain "bitch" incident?
I don't think so.

I don't expect Hillary to be starting every stump with a defense of Obama's religion, but when she gets asked point blank then she should answer it with a firm "No Senator Obama is a Christian".

How hard is that?

I'm sure if Obama was asked if Hillary was a bitch he wouldn't have said "No, she isn't, I take her at her word".

Blech.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:30 PM
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7. fishing or trolling?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:31 PM
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8. At the time, there were several other Dem candidates in the race
Did any of them say anything about it? If not, then you should be calling them out as well. Obama was not even close to being the frontrunner at that point.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:31 PM
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9. Meh, this Obama supporter has no problem with Hillary's answer
on 60 Minutes.

It wasn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:33 PM
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10. The facade of Obama is growing thin -- logic destroys it
It seems clear Obama's only claim to the "new politics" is a more virulent strain of the old politics.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:24 PM
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12. yeah, hope is a virulant facade that must be stamped out!
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:25 PM
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13. Hope? That's not very defined for a "movement" ----NT
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:28 PM
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17. Ugg! Hope am bad! Me like fear!!!! Fear good!
Grrr.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:34 PM
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21. Still nothing defined -- an amorphous movement for hope or something ---NT
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:38 PM
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22. Hey, if you are too lazy to type www.barackobama.com/issues/ don't blame me.
You are using a right wing slogan/tactic and you damn well know it ("The democrats don't have any ideas." "The Democrat Party is just about slogans").

I expect that kind of crap from Sean Hannity, not democrats.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:45 PM
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26. Standard Dem ideas -- that's what that "human chain" in OH was about?
Astounding!!

No, it is you who eludes the topic and will not define the "hope and change."
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:57 PM
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28. Actually, it was BO who said the Dems don't have any ideas. He
said something like, "you have to go all the way back to Reagan."

Gotcha there!
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:38 PM
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11. I see that you want to defend her, and I know it stinks to have
someone give political advantage away but, Obama's slight, was to have been supposedly from the Clinton Campaign.

Her smart move and Democratic responsibility, would have been to defend the fact that she knew he has been a Christian, and she would not misrepresent someone to gain fear points.

Did she do this? Not really. It was a tempered response which left doubt, and it was not forthright. She could have helped herself by being open and the bigger person, but she took the opportunity to leave room for doubt that to her knowledge he was not a muslim. It felt strange.

I don't think she would make a bad President. She's just not perfect and actions like this make Barack look like he has more integrity. That's my take.....
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:25 PM
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14. I'm sorry you're still stuck in the anger phase.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:31 PM
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18. Cute responses you have given to this issue
What about those of us who aren't supporting either Clinton or Obama yet we think this is a complete non-issue? You going to come back with some witty remark about me being in mourning over the demise of the Clinton campaing? I could show plenty of posts in which I hoped for such a demise last summer, yet I still think most of the Obama supporters are acting idiotic over her response.

It isn't always as cut and dried as some of you would like to believe. Neither is perfect, they've both made mistakes, said things badly or not at all, and with people on this site combing through every utterance, it's going to be easy to find something over which to express outrage. God, even though he's not my candidate either, I really hope he sews this thing up on Tuesday so that this shit ends.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:34 PM
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20. Actually, if you don't find something wrong with this, then I pity you.
No "witty" response to that.

This was a really fucked up thing by her. To state the opposite is sad.

I have no idea what stage that is, sorry. :hug:
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:42 PM
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25. I think she could have responded better than she did
But I *don't* think her response was worthy of the WWIII meltdown it apparently has caused on this site. That's all. :shrug:


And the stage is called "My candidate never ran and I don't give a darn about either candidate left so whichever wins gets my vote in Nov. And who cares, I'm going on vacation anyway." :)
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:27 PM
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15. You're 100% Correct. I Think They've All Jumped The Shark Tonight; For Real.
I don't think they even begin to realize how absolutely silly their feigned outrage over everything looks to people. It's really starting to get a bit out of hand. I kinda feel for them.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:51 PM
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27. I disagree
last week I gave kudos for McCain standing up and apologizing for a RW Hack's use of Hussein Obama. Because it was used as a smear, and for fear mongering.

I would have also applauded Hillary, had she done the same. The question, I felt was out of bounds. We do not use a religious test to elect our leaders. I was disappointed she even answered the question. Answering the question gave the impression, that being a Muslim was something one should be ashamed of. How insulting to Muslim Americans.

I would have been the one first to applaud her, had she taken the high road. What a concept, fellow Democrats even in the heat of a primary campaign, would defend their rival. She let a golden opportunity slide by, in my oppinion.





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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:26 PM
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33. Yes, McCain apologized to Obama for that speech
but never to Hillary for "the bitch" comment.

But having a double standard here is not new, right?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:41 PM
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41. If He had apologized for that - I would have given
him kudos for that as well. I also was disgusted with him with his vile remark about Chelsea. I am not endorcing McCain. But giving credit where it was due. that is all.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:32 PM
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19. Clinton had her Macaca Moment tonight. She's done.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:24 AM
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30. I agree. Put a fork in her. (nt)
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:39 PM
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23. waaaah waaaaah
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:49 PM
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29. Well said!!!!
Like someone mentioned at DailyKos, she gave him some of his own medicine. When she denied that her campaign had sent Drudge the Kenya photo, his response was "I take her at her word" while his surrogates kept pushing the notion that her campaign was to blame for the pic.

Well, tit for tat......

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:38 AM
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31. HRC, "takes him at his word." Well truthfully that is all one can do
is take someone at their word if they claim to be "christian". And the only problem I have with Christianity is, no one's really tried it in its true intent and purpose. Words and deeds is how one should judge someone. If a man or a woman claims to be christian through their words and their deeds do not justify it, then most likely that person is not....

And personally no christian would sit back as Obama did and allow a brother(Bill) or a sister(Hillary) to be savaged by their surrogates and the msm, and even going so far as to call them bigots and racists. Obama knew that Bill and Hillary did not play the race card prior to the MLK jr holiday or was it played in South Carolina prior to that election, but obama said not a word in defense of the Clintons.

We have many writers that are now coming out of the closet and writing about what Bill and Hillary did not do and that was "play teh race card" It was teh obama campaign and if they did that then Obama either had to okay it or approved it because all he did was sit back and said "nothing"....Is this the act of a "christian"? I would say NO!

Obama and his wife enjoy talking about the "holes in peoples souls". I say mend your own holes in your souls first before you try to heal the rest.....

HRC said what needed to be said. Nothing more, Nothing less.....
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:31 PM
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37. thank you
:yourock:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:39 AM
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32. Not the same at all...
was Obama asked if he thinks Hillary is a b***H, if she's shrill, botoxed etc.etc.? Hillary was asked outright about Obama and religion.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:27 PM
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34. What?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:28 PM
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35. Just for the record, she never said she "takes him at his word."
“You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?” Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

“Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that,” she replied.

“You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not…a Muslim. You don't believe that he's…,” Kroft said.

“No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know,” she said.

“It's just scurrilous…?” Kroft inquired.

“Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time,” Clinton said.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181025.php
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:30 PM
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36. Obama is supposed to call out McCain over a "chuckle"?????
Which he obviously did not directly observe, by the way. We really are in the silly season now.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:43 PM
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38. Obama was not asked DIRECTLY
if Hillary was a bitch, if her voice was shrill, etc., --

Hillary WAS asked the question directly.

There's a difference.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:45 PM
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39. Problem: McCain didn't say "Bitch", Obama didn't make comments about HRC's hair
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:46 PM
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40. K and R
:kick:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:44 PM
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43. It's the Obama-Way.
Like Bush's minions in 2000, Obama's minions expect the world to bow before their "messiah" :puke:
But everyone else is just horsecrap in their simple minds.
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