Women will just have to wait - again.......

[suston96]

Black Americans - black American men, that is, were guaranteed the right to vote in 1870. That did not include women - black or white. It could have. But it just didn't. The Nineteenth Amendment protecting a woman' right to vote - all women's rights - was passed 50 years later.

So it looks like a black man will become president and women will just have to wait again - 50 years? Ya think?

[bitchkitty]

1. Wait for what?

I wouldn't vote for anyone based solely on gender, or race. Not everyone is shallow - some of us actually think before we make a decision...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

104. after Margaret Thatcher (former UK Prime Minister) it would make you think twice!

[islandmkl]

2. is that what it is really about?....

thought we were looking for some leadership, not some symbol of "achievement"...

[susankh4]

35. That is correct

and all the more reason why choosing the less experienced candidate, based on gender, is so reprehensible.

The good ole boys club is alive and well in the Dem party.

[WilyWondr]

55. Less experienced?

HRC first elected office in 2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

BHO first elected office in 1997
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama


I guess you are only counting the "right" experience, huh?

[Bake]

62. It certainly seems to be the case for Obama ...

There are an awful lot of people voting for him because of his race. Don't kid yourself thinking there aren't.

Bake

[democrattotheend]

99. Exit polls

Exit polls have shown that the majority of people who consider race a factor vote for Clinton, while the majority of those who consider gender a factor also vote for Clinton. So according to the exit polls, Clinton's gender has helped her, while Obama's race has hurt him. Sure, there are people who vote for Obama in part because he's black, but there seem to be more people who vote against him because of his race. This includes some true racists, as well as lots of other people (including members of my own family) who are not racist but are afraid Obama can't win in November because too many people are still too racist to vote for a black man.

[Mags]

3. I still think Hillary can win. Hope she takes it all the way.

Get ready for these BO people to accuse you of being for her just because she is a woman.

[Windy]

11. SHe has a lousy voting record when it counted for our military and the security of our country

Her vote was made for politcal purposes only and not in the best interests of our country. She is not qualified to be commander in chief for this reason alone!

[Indenturedebtor]

13. How else are we supposed to read that MagsDem?

[susankh4]

37. Read it like this

vote for the more experienced candidate, even tho she is not a man.

[whatchamacallit]

20. Isn't that more or less the message of the OP?

It's all about sex

[NightWatcher]

4. stop making this about race and gender

I'm a white guy, so it was either be a sexist or a racist?

Why cant people get it that we might just prefer one candidate over another.

[JustDavid]

30. You a white guy too????

Oh we are both screwed.

If we vote for Obama, then we MUST be sexist.

If we vote for Hillary, then we MUST be racist.

[NightWatcher]

32. I think we are rather progressive. if we were sexist or racist we'd vote for the wrinkled white dude

but we are not, so there. We are progressive and open minded.

-another guy named Dave

[Danzo]

5. Don't Worry, It's Not Over Yet

Hillary's behind, but the polls in Ohio and Texas all show a competitive race and Hillary has a pretty good chance to win both.

[ClassWarrior]

6. No they won't. Obama has two brilliant women on his foreign policy staff.

:shrug:

NGU.

[earthside]

7. Ignorant?

Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, the KKK ... yeah those black guys had it good, uh?

It is below contempt to try and play the race card as a way to rationalize support for Mr. Clinton's wife.

How do ya like that?

[GumboYaYa]

8. Give me a break...do you really think that black Americans have ever gotten equal voting rights?

Jim Crow lives on even today, look at Florida in 2000. The notion that black men in America have been treated oh so better than women is absurd at best.

[ClassWarrior]

18. Excellent point, YaYa...

Howya doin', man? :hi:

NGU.

[GumboYaYa]

80. Great, I hope all is well with you :)

[Windy]

9. I am a 49 + year old woman and I vote for the BEST candidate!

I will not vote based upon sex. That is NOT what women fought for!

We won the right to vote for the person best suited for the office to which they were seeking election.

Any woman who votes any other way is frankly a disgrace to their gender!

[redqueen]

10. Is that supposed to make sense?

:crazy:

[Recursion]

12. News flash for ya: black Americans are still disenfranchised

I can't believe a Democrat doesn't realize that.

Not just in 1870.

Not just in 1963.

Today.

[VolcanoJen]

14. Black men may have been *technically* allowed to vote before women.

But you have heard of Jim Crow laws, right? I wouldn't say that their rights were actually "guaranteed" on the ground and in reality.

Would the civil rights movement have been necessary if black men and women were permitted to vote equally across all states and counties in America?

How many white women are in the United States Senate at this moment? How many black women? How many black men?

I appreciate this argument to a point, but I'm for equality for all men and women. And I truly doubt we'll have to wait 50 more years for a woman president. I have quite a bit more faith in women than that.

[MadBadger]

15. What an Ignorant statement...blacks sure have had it easy...lol.

Dont you know anything about History? Yea, cuz Blacks have had a cakewalk ever since. Lynching, Jim Crow, Black codes, poll taxes, literacy test.

Go read a book.

[BlackVelvet04]

40. Maybe you would like to be educated on the way women have

been treated? And are still treated. If you want I can post a whole lot of information about the plight of women in this country.

[MadBadger]

48. Oh Please do.

[Hepburn]

58. Oh, GMAFB!

I am female and NOT some young female either. Being female NEVER stopped me from doing one thing. I have competed with men EVERYWHERE I went and it NEVER stopped me from getting exactly where I wanted to be.

Being female is NOT an excuse for failure! Stop putting out bullshit like this.

[nomorewhopper]

16. no offense meant but...

...if you are comparing the plight of african americans with any other american subgroup, you're making a huge mistake.

if you think that "voters rights" were the major point of black oppression in this country, you are simply a fucking idiot.

by the way there are far more women serving public office at the moment than black men. senate, house, etc.

[zanne]

19. So true. nt

[Hepburn]

68. I totally agree....

...I am a white female, nearly age 60 years. I never had any bullshit thrown at me for being female like I saw coming at my black friends, both male and female, for being black. Just the attitudes were entirely different from society in general...to say nothing of the discrimination encountered from the government ~~ by those who were charge with enforcing laws equally and fairly.

Totally diferent issues, IMO ~~ discrimination against gender and discrimination against race. The former IMO was nothing compared to the latter. At least from what I saw in the 1960s when I came of age.

JMHO

[Recursion]

87. A f***ing men

I throw up in my mouth a little whenever I see "Black men got the vote 50 years before women".

What either complete ignorance or willfull callousness.

[zanne]

17. I'd love to see a woman become president...

But not just any woman.

[Hugabear]

21. Sexist much?

If Hillary were in Obama's position, would it be fair for Obama supporters to start claiming racism?

[BlackVelvet04]

41. they have....

many times.

[mohc]

22. So you would feel better if a white man won?

That way a woman could be "first" to end the streak. Its disappointing that we have yet to elect a female president, it is also disappointing that we have yet to elect an African American president. Both of those conditions will be rectified, and it very well may be that we see our first black president elected in November. But the fact that its disappointing that neither has happened yet is not justification in of itself for electing a woman or an African American. Obama is simply a better candidate than Clinton is, in the eyes of the Democratic primary electorate. I seriously doubt it will take 50 years before we elect a female president though, there will be far more, and far better female candidates than Clinton.

[loveangelc]

23. Oh puleeze! this is not about who received a worse deal.

but i think we can all agree that african americans had it worse than women in the u.s.

[Lisa0825]

24. I don't mind waiting until there is a woman I would actually want to vote for.

Hillary was NOT that woman for me.

[BlackVelvet04]

43. Of course not....

no women ever will be either.

[Lisa0825]

61. Awfully presumptuous of you considering you do not know me.

The first campaign I ever volunteered on was Ann Richards for Texas Governor, and I would GLADLY have voted for her for President if she had run.

So many of you Hillary folks just can't comprehend that not everyone favors her the way you do. This is about HER, not about women in general. I look forward to someday voting for a woman who actually DESERVES my vote for President, not just assumes she does due to some sort of inevitability.

Furthermore, people with attitudes like YOURS do more harm than benefit to the women's movement.

[Infinite Hope]

25. If you have a clue about history, blacks didn't really begin freely voting until the 1950's and 60's

Further, we are electing a president, not a gender.

[JustDavid]

26. If someone said...

We need a white man to win.......some would say that this person is a racist and a sexist.

What if someone said "We need a woman to win"?

What if someone said "We need a black president"?

Those statement would be OK, right?

[Kaylee]

27. Don't even go there......

I dare a White woman to say that she has it worse than a Black man or Black woman in America. This post is absurd.

The democratic party has put forth two very capable candidates who are historic in their race and gender. They have both done an excellent job this campaign season. However, in this case, the black male happened to be a more successful campaigner than the white woman. End of story.

[whatchamacallit]

28. Next time run someone who sucks less n/t

[suston96]

29. History is a bitch, eh? Ooops sorry. History is, uh, very revealing, eh?

[Hugabear]

31. Maybe you'll get lucky, and Condi Rice will run in 2012

I'm sure that you'd prefer someone like Condiliar over Obama, wouldn't you?

After all, she's a woman - that's what really counts.

[Hepburn]

33. I am female....

...and I am nearly 60 years of age. Let me clue you:

I HAVE NEVER WAITED FOR A THING....NEVER. It has NEVER made a bit of difference to me who the hell was suppose to be in charge, I managed to succeed.

So, put on your big girl panties and try standing tall on your own. What is this bullshit about waiting? Just stick to it, take charge and get going to get the hell where you want to go.

This male/female thing is has been blown waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. Men are NOT the enemy....rather women like you who think they cannot succeed cuz some big bad man has stopped them ~~ that's the enemy.

[bunnies]

36. Yeah!

Great post. :applause:

[Hepburn]

53. Thanks! n/t

[greguganus]

60. You rock! n/t

[michaz]

90. I am with you on this! I am also almost 60 and this is the most ridiculous thread

I have seen! Do I care what the race or gender is, no! I want the best! That just happens to be Obama!

[Connie_Corleone]

34. Tell that to my older relatives who couldn't vote in the 1950's South.

Give me a fucking break.

Did it ever occur to you that there are people who just don't like Hillary Clinton or don't think she would be a better president?

I can name 2 women I would gladly vote for over Hillary for president.

[Dinger]

38. Who Knows If We'll ever Get Another Candidate As Fine As Hillary,

sad to say.

[suston96]

39. See, here is what bothers me and has for a long time....

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

That's what the Fifteenth Amendment says. Why didn't it say this:

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, sex, or previous condition of servitude."

Why did it take 50 years to guarantee the right to vote for women?

You say blacks have been discriminated against in their exercise of the franchise even after the Fifteenth? That's true. But what about women? 535 members of Congress. How many are women - who comprise more that 50% of the population?

And please, are you saying that people aren't supporting Hillary Clinton because she is a woman or Barack Obama because he is black?

[BigAnth]

47. Frankly, I'm surprised that

we are looking at the prospect of a black president at this point. If you had asked me 20, 15, 10 or even 5 years ago if I thought that we would have a woman elected as president or a black elected president first I would have answered without doubt "A Woman". Today it is a very different picture. I guess that looking at it exclusively in terms of race or gender leaves out a lot of the bigger picture.

[ContinentalOp]

50. Do the math.

If you want to talk about proportional representation in congress, just do the math. I did it in another thread which I can't find now. But basically women are represented in the Senate, Governorships, and the Congress at only about 30% of where they should be proportionally. African Americans on the other hand are represented at about only 8% of where they should be in the Senate, and 16% in the governorships. They are much better represented in the house but I can't' remember that number.

[snooper2]

42. While on the subject...

Interesting read for people..


http://www.history.rochester.edu/class/douglass/part5.html

snip

"Black voters came out strongly for the Republicans in the 1868 elections, helping Grant win the presidency. With Grant in office, the Fifteenth Amendment passed through Congress and was submitted to the states for ratification. This amendment guaranteed all citizens the right to vote, regardless of their race. Douglass's push for state approval of the amendment caused a breach between him and the woman suffragists, who were upset that the measure did not include voting rights for woman. Old friends such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton accused Douglass of abandoning the cause of women's rights. At the annual meeting of the Equal Rights Association in May 1869, Douglass tried to persuade the woman suffragists that voting rights for blacks must be won immediately, while women could afford to wait. "When women because they are women are dragged from their homes and hung upon lampposts, .....then they will have the urgency to obtain the ballot," said Douglass. One of the women in the crowd cried out, "Is that not also true about black women?" "Yes, yes," Douglass replied, "but not because she is a woman but because she is black." The women in the audience were not convinced by Douglass's argument, and some of them even spoke out against black suffrage. Douglass's relationship with the woman suffragists eventually healed, but women would not receive the right to vote until 1920.

The campaign for state ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment was successful. On March 30, 1870, President Grant declared that the amendment had been adopted. Later, at the last official meeting of the American Anti-Slavery Society, Douglass spoke gratefully about the new rights blacks had won. "I seem to be living in a new world," he said. While thanking all the men and women who had struggled for so long to make this new world possible, he modestly omitted his own name. However, no one had fought harder for black rights than Douglass. By 1870, he could look proudly upon some of the fruits of his labors. Between 1868 and 1870, the southern states were readmitted to the Union, and large numbers of blacks were elected to the state legislatures. Blacks also won seats in Congress, with Hiram Revels of Mississippi becoming the first black senator and Joseph Rainey of South Carolina being the first black to enter the House of Representatives. In 1870, Douglass was asked to serve as editor of a newspaper based in Washington, D.C., whose goal was to herald the progress of blacks throughout the country. Early on, the paper, the New National Era, experienced financial difficulties, and Douglass bought the enterprise. The paper folded in 1874, but for a few years it provided him with the means to publish his opinions on the developing racial situation in the United States."

[high density]

44. Yeah it's all the fault of men

Damn us for conning so many women into voting for the black guy.

[crawfish]

45. Those uppity blacks always want in the front of the bus...

ok, I'm just kidding. Please be gentle.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

46. Your logic is warped . . .

It shouldn't even matter whether you're an AA or a woman - we should be nominating the STRONGEST democratic candidate who can bring this country together to get something done. Obama is clearly that candidate.

I think most people here look forward to the day when a woman is elected President, but even more so, when we elect a woman President and no one makes a big deal out of it. I'm going to be proud as hell of Obama, not because he'll be the first (real) BLACK President, but because he'll be a GREAT President who just happens to be black. He could be green for all I care, so long as he brings to the office the values and priorities I care about.

Hillary's Rovian "win at any cost" tactics over the past few months show me that as a human being - forget about being a woman - she is not worthy of my vote.

[cindyw]

49. Okay, you so do not understand history. There may have been an ammendment

but blacks could not really vote. MANY judges upheld states rights to block blacks from voting way into the 60's. Think Mukasey as the AG, but deciding whether the Constitution was enforceable. Not to mention that many blacks could not vote for fear of violence.

WOMEN won the right to vote way before Black Men in that when they won it, they could use it.

[grantcart]

51. only the superficial ones will have to wait

[HereSince1628]

52. This has the echo of early feminist racism

We progressives want to think of Stanton and others as saintly heroes. They weren't. The truth is that they were more than VERY disappointed that black men would get the vote before them. I've made the pilgrimage to Seneca Falls, and I support Equal Rights for all regardless of race, gender, and even gender preference.

Go ahead and flame me if you must...but IMHO some of Hillary's feminist supporters are stepping dangerously close to the slippery slope of Stanton and Anthony's "pragmatic" racism...


-------
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/books/gender/davis.html

Review of Angela Davis History & Theory Falls Short Angela Davis

Davis recounts the development of the wimmin's suffrage movement in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. After the Civil War leaders such as Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton took up white supremacy "on the ground of expediency," as Anthony put it (p. 112). Both Anthony and Stanton opposed Black men's suffrage on narrow grounds, saying almost literally: "How dare you get the vote before us?" Stanton appropriated many of the racist myths used to justify lynching for her anti-Black men's suffrage campaign, saying "I would not trust with my rights; degraded, oppressed himself, he would be more despotic ... than ever our Saxon rulers are ..." (p.75).

[Kaylee]

66. This is exactly what bothers me about the OP....

the assumption that "Of course, a white woman should be ahead of a black man". As you say, it narrowly skirts racist undertones.

The OP should leave race out of it..Barack Obama out campaigned Hillary Clinton...end of story.

[ecstatic]

108. Bingo! I just couldn't put my finger on it

This undertone of many of Clinton's supporters is VERY disturbing.

[RoadRage]

54. As a woman.. i'm happy to wait.

This isn't about a RIGHT to do something. It's about electing the RIGHT person.

I don't want someone to win because of their gender, race, religion, sexual preference, hair color, eye color, etc. I want them to win because their vision, personality, stance on the issues, integrity, and many other aspects are what I personally agree with, and who I personally think is the correct person to lead our country.

I applaud Hillary & Barack for being trendsetters... and making it a bit easier on the next female or black person who runs for president. But, I don't think either of those traits should be a reason to vote for them.

[suston96]

56. The point being missed.....

......failure to include women in the Fifteenth.

Reflecting the feelings of society of the times? Why did it take 50 years to include women in the constitutional guarantee of the right to vote?

And why are not women represented proportionally in legislatures, governorships, Congress, and everywhere else?

African Americans? They comprise some 13% of the population. How are they represented in those venues?

Am I suggesting quotas? Not really, although the Democratic Party has quotas for delegates where I believe they must be 50% women. Am I correct on that?

[Debi]

64. How would you like us to re-write the laws created in the 1800's - 1900's? n/t

[suston96]

72. Huh? Uh, they have been rewritten thousands of times.

That is why lawyers have to "shephardize" laws and court decisions they cite from the past.

That means they have to insure that the older laws and decisions have not been updated or repealed.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lwr17.htm

[Nederland]

57. Yawn

Same old message. The positions a person takes and the things they have done don't matter. The ony thing that matters is what's between your legs.

[Debi]

59. Wait for what?

To vote for the person of our choosing (regardless of race or gender)?

[theboss]

63. Boy, it sounds like being a black man in 1870 was awesome!!!

I sure wish we could go back to those times.

[Neshanic]

65. Come sit by us...the Gays. At least you had a woman in the race, we get no choice on what is served

[Barack_America]

73. Lord, it's going to be more than 50 years for you all, I'm afraid.

But, as long as the Democrat wins the GE, we'll be taking an important step in that direction.

[BigDaddy44]

83. There's already been a gay President

James Buchanan (#15)

[ecstatic]

109. I'm sure there's been more than one. It was just a well kept secret nt

[JackORoses]

67. not women, just Hillary. She is not the right choice. Women can do much much better.

Why elect a woman who will act just like the dirtbag men who've been running the show?

[suston96]

69. Democratic Party Charter.....

Sec. 4: The National Convention shall be composed of delegates equally divided between men and women.

Why is that?

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wZgIiNzBQIEJ:a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v002/www.democrats.org/pdfs/charter.pdf+Democratic+Party+Charter&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[Barack_America]

70. So "feminism" gives women a voice just to take it away again?

If so, what other orders do I have for my life?

If my gender is supposed to determine my vote, then I guess it rules my life in every thing else as well.

So what have the feminists determined to be the correct course for my life?

What career is appropriate? Did I select the right partner (and who do I talk to for him to be "cleared"). Are children currently approved?

[peace13]

71. Why would gender be your first consideration?

My guess is that Obama will move women ahead faster that Hillary would have. But of course he says he will need our help and that we will work together. Doesn't sound like he will be getting much help form some people. Give up being the victim and be the change you wish to see. Make Gahandi proud. Peace, Kim Hussein.

[suston96]

74. Primary? Uh, "ladies first". It works for lifeboats, doesn't it?

[opihimoimoi]

75. WEll, men were our leaders for 2.3 centuries....women need their turn too.

[damonm]

98. Yes, let's make the Presidency an affirmative action program...

:sarcasm:

[Zachstar]

76. WTF

Do we judge a president by his race or gender now? That is totally wrong and sickening.

This shit needs to end. Desperation to get a woman or any race or any creed in as president will do nothing for civil rights!

I do not want to have anything to do with anyone who votes based on gender and race. This is about our FUTURE people! Not "Wh0 g0t 1t"

[elixir]

77. You're absolutely correct. With that reasoning, when will we have the first gay couple in the WH?

[backscatter712]

78. Gimme a break.

I don't know about most others, but I have a lot of reasons why I chose Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton.

And race or gender is not in my list of reasons.

[suston96]

79. Check it out.....

"As of 2007, 83.7% of Congress is male and 16.3% is female. ... In the 109th United States Congress, there were 70 women serving the U.S. House and 14 in the Senate ..."

African Americans in Congress: 43. 42 in the House. 1 in the Senate.

Let the math instruct.

[anonymous171]

81. I don't think you understand.

Black men may have had the RIGHT to vote, but most (if not all) were barred from doing so by racist policies meant to keep blacks from voting. Even after women received the vote, black women suffered under the same restrictions as their male counterparts while their white sisters voted freely.

[suston96]

82. You don't get the point and no one has answered the question.........

Why did the Fifteenth Amendment exclude women? Why was the Nineteenth Amendment such a struggle in the early 20th century?

Why did the Equal Rights (for women) Amendment fail so miserably in this country in the latter part of this century?

Why are the memberships of the governing bodies of this country so poorly represented by women when they comprise some 53% of the population?

[Kaylee]

86. And again, why are they so poorly represented by Blacks.

Your attempt to compare the women's rights movement to the African American civil rights movement is flawed.

Blacks were still unable to vote after the passage of the 15th amendment. Jim Crow laws continued into the 1960's with discrimination prevalent and open well into the 80's. And the US government is hardly representative of the black electorate.

As a Black woman, I have to say, I've received a lot more grief based on my race than my gender. If anything I find my gender to be a plus...at least I'm not a black male in America.

[Recursion]

88. Why indeed?

Why are the memberships of the governing bodies of this country so poorly represented by women when they comprise some 53% of the population?

Women are the majority. Ask them.

[suston96]

92. Numbers......

Blacks comprise some 13% of the US population. Women some 53%.

So what, you say? We should have quotas? No, I say that since both groups are so poorly represented in the nation's governance, there must be a reason.

Is there a societal problem here? As to congressional representation - can gerrymandering be the reason - black populated districts being limited to so very few?

Or is there ingrained prejudice against blacks and women that so very few want to recognize?

[anonymous171]

95. So women can't be black?

WTF are you trying to say...

[Snarkturian Clone]

84. Chinese Americans and Native Americans waited longer to vote.

http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/content/voting_cal/americans_chinese.html

what's your point?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

85. I don't think so!

[NorthernSpy]

89. Good! Black men who fought for the Union voted before Johnny Reb's widow did.

I'm not going to complain about that. Those men put their own skins in the fight, and they got the vote first. I guess sometimes courage is rewarded.


Of course, those men were eventually betrayed. In the South, there were killings of black men who attempted to exercise their right to vote. In Colfax, LA in 1873, nearly 300 black men were massacred at the courthouse. All of the perpetrators -- the local White League and the KKK -- got off scot-free.

It wasn't until the mid-20th century before blacks were really able to vote in the South -- decades after white women had been exercising the franchise in perfect safety.


You know, your post illustrates so much of what I detest about feminism. I'm a woman and a progressive, and I really, really hate the idea of anyone associating me with the grudgy, 'dog in the manger'-ish sentiments you express.

[Deja Q]

91. Well, if Ann Coulter had her way, no woman would be allowed to vote.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=If+we+took+away+women%E2%80%99s+right+to+vote%2C+we%E2%80%99d+never+have+to+worry+about+another+Democrat+women+&btnG=Google+Search

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

93. There really is no argument.

Obviously white women in this country are way worse off then black men.

:dilemma:

[Recursion]

94. Are you joking?

Are 1 in 9 white women in jail?

[Orsino]

96. Guaranteed the right to vote in what year again?

Say what?

But we're not supposed to go by turns in the presidency, anyway, despite the sense of entitlement of the Bushes.

[HeraldSquare212]

97. No, there will be a woman candidate who didn't vote for war before then.

[TK421]

100. I won't vote for someone just because they are a woman and we have

never had a female president, and the same thing goes for an African American because we've never had an African American president before...I care about how qualified they are for the job.

Why does race and sex have to be brought into this process? I don't understand it

I don't care if your skin is green and you have three heads and six arms ( well, that may be a bit much there ) but if you can lead effectively and get this country out of the mess it is in, then I will vote for you...if you can't, then green-skinned, three-headed, six-armed people all over the world will have to wait another 50 years.

[Spider Jerusalem]

101. How many white women were lynched after 1920 for exercising their voting rights?

Have any numbers on that? How many had to take literacy tests? Pay polling taxes?

Your argument is specious and historically ignorant nonsense.

[TK421]

103. Not to get off topic, but I have to say that a co-worker recently turned me

on to Transmetropolitan, and not being a comic reader, I found it quite similar to crack ( mind you...I never tried crack, nor do I want to ). I see you're a fan, too. I was sorry to see it end, and really wanted Warren Ellis to take it further. :hi:

[Spider Jerusalem]

105. There's been speculation of a possible series of prequels...

I know Warren slightly, so I may have to ask him if anything's going to come of that.

[TK421]

106. Oh, that would be fantastic indeed!

thanks! :D

[Shakespeare]

102. Hillary doesn't deserve it because she's a woman any more than Obama does because he's black.

And that's an offensive suggestion. This campaign is NOT about which group is most deserving--it's about the entire country.

**disclaimer: I am a woman who supports neither Hillary nor Barack, but will support the party's eventual nominee (and god, am I sick of having to add this to every freaking post here).

[cooolandrew]

107. The answer here is more women run for office the law of averages

says more women for president. Yeah but in fairness how many african americans can you list in the sentate over the amount of women. African americans ceiling has been higher and that is a reality.

[LiberalAndProud]

110. If women will run, it will be sooner.

I would love to work for Boxer campaign, for example. If women don't run it will be 50 years and more.