The canadian story has no legs Hillary

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Canadians_regret.html#comments

[leftofcool]

1. an apology but not a denial

Obama lied, plain and simple. He said the meeting never took place, now he says it took place but the words were taken out of context. Next lie, please.

[blocker]

4. hello it's ploitics

geez, do you really think they're all clean and that they don't lie, look at clinton dammit! Was Obama at that meeting? was it a cafeteria chat? you know what i mean!

[leftofcool]

8. ploitics?

Never heard of it. If you mean "politics" sure it is. But your golden child lied, plain and simple.

[Iceburg]

2. It sure has legs in Canada, where is the media is STILL trusted/nt

[ProSense]

7. We're electing our president, not the president of Canada.

We're electing an American president to protect American jobs.

[Iceburg]

12. Looks more like selecting ....again/nt

[oasis]

14. Who's big on "Not telling Americans just what they want to hear, but the truth."?

Ummm, who was that guy?

[elixir]

23. Ooh, good one. How long did it take to make that one up? He lied, period.

[blocker]

11. iceburg i'm watching ctvnews net right now and

it's barely in the news ctv news didn't mention that story so far, there talking about harper and canadian politics, they barely mention us politics.

[Iceburg]

18. Try these for starters ...

CTV

The Globe and Mail

CBC

As you can see, there is no shortage of press on the topic.

[DJ13]

17. Who cares WHAT Canada thinks?

Seriously, if you recognize the damage Bill's signing of NAFTA has caused to our own economy, its been a corresponding boon to the other nations involved, like Canada.

If were to deal with NAFTA to protect our own economy we have to expect those other countries will be screaming bloody murder, but if we want to put our OWN people first (for a change) it has to be done.

[elixir]

24. Personally, I care what Canada thinks. They're one of the largest suppliers of goods to the US

especially oil.

[DJ13]

28. "Personally, I care what Canada thinks"

Thats great, but is Canada going to feed those Americans who lost their jobs due to NAFTA?

Havent we had enough of these corporate welfare programs labeled treaties?

Isnt it time we had a government who wants to help our own citizens over people in other countries?

[Iceburg]

30. You should because we would love nothing more than to renegotiate NAFTA

if for nothing more than to get a fair price for our oil.

Unlike the US we pay living wages (Minimum wage is $8.00), have stricter environmental standards and worker safety standards, provide affordable secondary school education, not to mention UNIVERSAL health care, .... and yet each year for the past 15 years we have enjoyed a huge year end surpluses ($billions!)

Another reason you should care ...if we pull out of Afghanistan, so will many other NATO countries. If dufus Obama had held at least one hearing on his subcommittee overseeing America's Afghanistan/NATO adventure he would know that NATO is in shambles over the lack of US commitment.

[Spazito]

31. LOL, CTV, not so much....

As part of the Global conglomerate, CTV has lost a great deal of their neutrality and have been leaning right, aka for harper, for a few years now.

Canadians, do, however, trust CBC as still maintaining neutrality in their news coverage.

As to it having legs in Canada, it is only getting coverage because of the questions remaining about the harper government trying to interfere with a US election by deliberately sending out misinformation.

[BlackVelvet04]

3. LOL....

apparently it does. they always do when an obama supporter feels it necessary to make a thread saying it has no legs.

you're just too amusing for words.

[blocker]

5. hello i'm an edwards supporter

geez who are you to know who i support? idiot!

[BlackVelvet04]

20. How convenience.....

asshole.

[Hepburn]

10. Here learn to...

...eat this stuff graciously. You are gonna need that talent after tomorrow:



It's a RETRACTION ~~ which means it did not happen. Got it? :eyes:

[Marie26]

27. What, exactly, was retracted? nt

[yourguide]

6. an apology and a retraction.

i.e. we misspoke, as the campaign stated all along.

[MethuenProgressive]

9. he lied, then lied about lying, then said the thing he lied about never happend so his lie is true?

No wonder Obama Supporters all have "that" look in thier eyes...

[ProSense]

13. Story debunked, again. Canadian embassy apologizes, and Obama's position is still not a secret

Canadians regret...

There's lots of grist for Canadian political reporters right now, as the Canadian Embassy issues an apology and a sort of recantation -- though not really a denial -- of the Goolsbee story. This happens even as their superiors in Ottawa seem determined to cause trouble in the Democratic primary.

The Canadian Embassy and our Consulates General regularly contact those involved in all of the Presidential campaigns and, periodically, report on these contacts to interested officials. In the recent report produced by the Consulate General in Chicago, there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect.

The people of the United States are in the process of choosing a new President and are fortunate to have strong and impressive candidates from both political parties. Canada will not interfere in this electoral process. We look forward, however, to working with the choice of the American people in further building an unparalleled relationship with a close friend and partner.

So they're not disputing the text of the memo, just what it's words intended to convey. Perhaps it's the language barrier, but I'm not sure there's a clear alternative reading.

Anyway, the dread specter of Canadian interference has now been raised.

A side story, as Noam Scheiber writes: "What's shocking is that a foreign government would leak it to the press. That seems like a pretty egregious breach of protocol--more like a dirty trick by an operative in a conservative government than anything else. I can't imagine it'll bode well for U.S.-Canadian relations if Obama makes it to the White House ...."

What does it say that Hillary's campaign is pushing this bogus RW distortion?

Obama's position on NAFTA isn't a secret. He opposed the Clintons' horrible NAFTA bill, but he isn't opposed to free trade. He also made his position clear during the last debate:

RUSSERT: Senator Obama, you did, in 2004, talk to farmers and suggest that NAFTA had been helpful. The Associated Press today ran a story about NAFTA saying that you have been consistently ambivalent towards the issue.

A simple question. Will you as president say to Canada and Mexico, this has not worked for us, we are out?

OBAMA: I will make sure that we renegotiate in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about, and I think actually Senator Clinton's answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced.

And that is not what has been happening so far. That is something that I have been consistent about.

I have to say, Tim, with respect to my position on this, you know, when I ran for the United States Senate, the "Chicago Tribune," which was adamantly pro-NAFTA noted that in their endorsement of me, they were endorsing me despite my strong opposition to NAFTA. And that conversation that I had with the Farm Bureau, I was not ambivalent at all.

What I said was that NAFTA and other trade deals can be beneficial to the United States, because I believe every U.S. worker is as productive as any worker around the world. And we can compete with anybody.

And we can't shy away from globalization. We can't draw a moat around us. But what I did say in that same quote, if you look at it, was that the problem is we've been negotiating just looking at corporate profits and what's good for multinationals, and we haven't been looking at what's good for communities here in Ohio, in my home state of Illinois, and across the country. And as president, what I want to be is an advocate on behalf of workers.

Look, you know, when I go to these plants, I meet people who are proud of their jobs. They are proud of the products that they have created. They have built brands and profits for their companies. And when they see jobs shipped overseas and suddenly they're left not just without a job, but without health care, without a pension, and are having to look for seven-buck-an-hour jobs at the local fast-food joint, that is devastating on them, but it's also devastating on the community.

That's not the way that we're going to prosper as we move forward.

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[MethuenProgressive]

21. He lied about lying twice? Thanks for the links showing all his lies.

He's so coldblooded he'll do anything, say anything, destroy anyone, to aquire Power.

Snap out of it DUbamas. The Judas Goat is leading you down the ramp.

[elixir]

25. No debunking. The story happened, the Canadian govt is just stating they didn't

want to effect the presidential race. They don't denounce that it happened.

[Hepburn]

15. According to the Canadians who were DIRECTLY involved,

he did not lie. Care to site a LEGITIMATE SOURCE ~~ i.e., something other than your lame and unsubstantiated opinion ~~ that he in fact had a meeting and made statements in regard to **wink** **wink** NAFTA?

[blocker]

16. was it an official meeting at the canadian embassy?

Is this Obama advisor in charge of us politics, does he even know what he's talking about? Will he be the one making decisions in the white house?> Does this come from Obama directly?

[elixir]

26. If you have to ask , they're a problem. He should ahve the adviser fired.

[Renew Deal]

19. If Obama becomes president, he should invade Canada

:hide:

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[zulchzulu]

22. The Hillary Clinton campaign is running on fumes...coming out of the arse

I guess that the Hillaryworld campaign, gasping in its last death throes, has decided to use the memo written by a lackey in the conservative Canadian government and, based on unnamed sources, distorted what Goolsbee said in the meeting.

The New York Times taketh what the big print giveth away with this:

The meeting was first reported last week by Canadian television network CTV, which cited unnamed sources as saying that Goolsbee assured the Canadians that Obama's tough talk on the North American Free Trade Agreement is just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously. The Obama campaign and the Canadian embassy denied there was any inconsistency between what the candidate was saying publicly and what advisers were saying privately.

(snip)

The memo was written by Joseph DeMora, who works for the consulate and attended the meeting.

(snip)

Goolsbee disputed the characterization from the conservative government official.

''This thing about 'it's more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,' that's this guy's language,'' Goolsbee said of DeMora. ''He's not quoting me.

''I certainly did not use that phrase in any way,'' he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Democrats-NAFTA.html?_r=4&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Who are we to believe? The compulsive liars that are not only named Clinton but her hacks within her campaign on the last gasps for air in her campaign?

I have champagne chilling for Wednesday when Hillary bids us a favor and drops out.

[elixir]

29. I love how you guys keep quoting sources that prove you and Obama are lying. It's too funny...

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