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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:41 PM
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McCain would vote Obama
http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/why-mccain-would-vote-for-obama/?ref=opinion

If it is McCain vs. Obama in the general election, look for something to happen that was unthinkable only a short time ago. The Iraq War will become a Republican plus.

On the one hand, he voted to authorize the invasion. On the other, he consistently disagreed with the administration’s prosecution of the war in general and with the judgment of defense Secretary Rumsfeld in particular. And on the third hand, he advocated for a course of action that was at last implemented in the so-called “surge,” and with some success.

So, at any moment, he would be able to present himself as a strong patriot, and at another moment as a critic of the hard-line hawks, and at still another as a hard-line hawk with more experience and military knowledge than the others. And, depending on which position he was occupying, he could deny that he was an uncritical supporter of the war or that he was inattentive to the needs of the troops, or that he had nothing positive to offer.

Meanwhile, as McCain was nimbly moving around, Obama would be standing still, stuck in the one-note posture he has assumed from the beginning of the campaign. In the democratic primaries and caucuses, Obama’s strong suit – the club he used to beat up Hillary Clinton – has been the absolute consistency of his position on the war: he would have voted against it had he been in the senate at the time; he has spoken out against it repeatedly since becoming a senator; and he has promised to end it and bring the troops home within a short time.


But once McCain, and not Clinton, is his opponent, that position becomes a liability, because it can be attacked as being inflexible and without nuance.

McCain can ask, Don’t you see that the situation has changed in recent months, and shouldn’t a responsible leader adjust his or her stance according to the facts on the ground? And he can add, I too had my doubts about the conduct of the war, but now a policy I long advocated has been put in place with good results.

Moreover, by saying something like that he would be reminding the electorate that he knows how to think tactically about military strategies, while his opponent’s only experience in combat has been trying to figure out how to beat Alan Keyes in the Illinois senate race, something anyone with the letter D (for Democrat) after his name would have been able to do easily.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:46 PM
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1. People are sick of the 'war'.
And McCain is anything but nimble...
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:49 PM
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2. Yeah, you know, that's exactly what we need. A nuanced sorta-anti-sorta-pro-war candidate
who can't ever be pinned down to one message.

Because that worked so fucking well in 2004.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:52 PM
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4. The GOP sold us *bush....twice I might add.
They will manipulate this into a John Wayne-Audie Murphy hero of America story!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:55 PM
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8. Hillary Clinton is the second coming of John Kerry.
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 04:57 PM by Occam Bandage
She's intelligent, uncharismatic, a good debater, an incompetent public speaker, "nuanced" on the war, and committed to the McAuliffe 19-state strategy. Like Kerry, she made a name for herself by working across the aisle and by fighting Republicans now and again. Like Kerry, she has long-standing beef with the right-wing machine. And like Kerry, they'll be able to pick her apart.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:51 PM
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3. Because 9 out of 10 voter will choose "nuance"...
:rofl:

Kerry and Clinton CAN'T debate him like
they couldn't debate Bushy.

They were FOR the war.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:56 PM
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9. It's a peek into the GOP thinking....
I do not discount their power to manage the greatest propaganda machine in the universe. What we know is not what they sell. No warranty with their package. Buy as is.............we. America, did it twice! :banghead:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:58 PM
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10. So then why exactly would you suggest
nominating a candidate that embodies the now-obsolete Clinton/Gore/Kerry paradigm?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM
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11. My brain hurts.
:crazy:
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:52 PM
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5. nice spin ......


But yea people are freaking sick of this republican war, and mr. "100 years more of it?" I don't think so. Then there's the mr. 19% and his opinion ..... you know mc cains buddy bush. common lets get on with the main event so we can start posting pictures in here of those two together. What-ta ya say? :)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:52 PM
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6. And Hillary's argument would be?
she was for it too, and didn't like the way it as done (same as McCain), but she opposed the surge (which is now working according to the article)... and...

oh... it doesn't leave her anyplace. She loses on this to McCain badly... worse than Obama.

Why vote for the war monger that DOESN'T have the military experience to know how to conduct the war?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:54 PM
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7. Dupe-o
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