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Greenwood Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:57 PM
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Obama camp bracing for losses tomorrow in newly released memo....
Just read where Obama's camp now says Hillary needs "double digit" wins in Ohio and Texas or it is over.

Methinks they know what is coming tomorrow.

I told you the momentum is all on Hillary's side.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:57 PM
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1. huh?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:57 PM
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2. Unfortunately, I think you are right
I am feeling sick to my stomach about our chances tomorrow...I think it's going to be worse than today's polls are showing.
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:02 PM
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19. obama will probably win tomorrow.. i am pretty sure
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:58 PM
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3. I don't believe that
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:58 PM
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4. Link?
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:01 PM
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16. There won't be a link of course, "memo" doesn't exist in reality
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:06 PM
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31. That's what I was thinking. I figured this must be some kind of
reverse psychology post so us Hillary supporters will be even more dejected if things don't go well for us tomorrow.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:38 PM
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48. This is what OP is talking about. He just skewed the headline.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:03 PM
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22. Why the hell do you need a link? He said he "just read"...
shouldn't that be good enough for you? :sarcasm:
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:05 PM
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27. Seems to be an outbreak of nolinkitis here today.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:58 PM
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5. The momentum is on HILLARY'S side?
Please explain.

Is she just getting warmed up?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:59 PM
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6. What will single digit wins tomorrow do for Hillary's 150ish pledged delegate deficit?
I'd like to see you math on this.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:59 PM
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7. This memo you speak of
I can't find the secret link that must be in your post and I've clicked all over the damned screen. You wouldn't be making shit up now would you?
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM
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8. Unfortunately, negative campaigning always wins....
so you just may be right. Sad commentary for the Democratic party.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:03 PM
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20. If dirty campaigning works for her, then Obama needs to do the same
Fuck Wolfson, fuck Penn. He TRIED a new kind of politics at least -- she didn't want to fight that way but just wanted to hold HIM to his promise to -- and now he needs to fight fire with fire. And there's PLENTY of fire out there for him to use against BOTH of them. (Like Bill's little slip recently about "vote for me and this is what WE'LL do ... ").
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:15 PM
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39. My husband and I have this argument all the time...
he is a fight fire with fire believer and I am a take the upper road kind of gal. You guys my be right...what's the use of going down in flames holding tightly to your principles. But I have a hard time following politicians who take a leap into the dark side.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM
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9. Obama has won 11 states in a row, she does need to win big tomorrow or go home
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM
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10. That's always been their position - otherwise she can't catch up in delegates.
That's why two weeks ago everyone was saying she had to win 65% of the vote in TX and OH - that's her only way to end up with a delegate number near Obama's.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM
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11. Private Worries as Team Clinton Looks for Best Case Scenarios

Private Worries as Team Clinton Looks for Best Case Scenarios

March 02, 2008 7:55 PM

ABC News' Kate Snow and Eloise Harper report: As she makes her way across Ohio, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., is preaching optimism.

"I have seen in the last weeks, the resilience, and the grit and the determination of the people of Youngstown, and across Ohio, and we’re going to win!" she told voters in Youngstown, Sunday.

But privately, Clinton campaign advisors say their own internal polls show the race tightening in Ohio and remaining very close in Texas.

"We're going to go full bore and see what happens," a senior advisor told ABC News, Sunday.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is outspending Clinton on the airwaves by about two to one. And in some markets, Clinton aides say they believe he has spent closer to three times as much on advertising.

"I've never seen the likes of this," said the advisor.

In their best case scenario, Clinton aides hope she could win Ohio by 3 to 6 points and squeak out a victory in Texas. They would consider that a good night and reason to fight on to Pennsylvania, which holds its primary on April 22.

Other scenarios, they admit, are not so pretty.

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:04 PM
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24. It's gone from the absurd to the surreal. "We only win by 2 points, but a win is a win"
She's almost 200 delegates behind now, how can she even hope to make that up?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM
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12. I don't think Hillary has the momentum. I think Obama will do quite well tomorrow
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:01 PM
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13. Clinton campaign's wishful thinking/hallucinating
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:01 PM
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14. Bull-fucking-shit
Ok? that's all quit the bull-fucking-shit
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:01 PM
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15. What the hell changed everything??
Negative ads, media attacks? Both? People are so fucking stupid to be swayed by fear all the time. Do they like what they have been getting the last 7 years? Fear? Sad.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:04 PM
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26. Are both Texas and Ohio open primaries?
I smell Limpbags mischief if Rethugs are allowed to cross parties in either one ...
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:01 PM
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17. Link?
"Methinks" You're Talking out of your ass.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:01 PM
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18. Linda! LINDA! Pay attention to the 2-way TV screen!
I know your husband is down at the Fire Station burning books, but I want to know if you AGREE with us here at MSNBC that Clinton is going to win tomorrow. You MUST comply!
Linda LINDA! Put down your pills! Oh Jeez, she's gone into a coma. Notify her husband....
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Greenwood Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:04 PM
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25. Here is the link....
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:10 PM
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34. Where in the hell are you reading that they are bracing for a loss...
...on that link?
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Thurston Howell III Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:17 PM
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40. Same here. I thought it was my dyslexia or something I misread.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:30 PM
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45. I think he forgot the sarcasm thingy.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:52 PM
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51. first comment on the story in that link
"I think Plouffe is just as stupid as Penn... The Obama camp have hyped this up so much that they "should" be winning Texas and Ohio easily given their spending."

I can verify that they run TV ads pretty much non-stop all day and all night (there's one on now.) I'd love to know what he's spending. It's brainwashing pure and simple.
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CaliforniaDemocrat Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:03 PM
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21. That's my girl. She's totally going to win.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:04 PM
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23. Hillary DOES need "double digit wins in Ohio and Texas or it is over"
Thats the math of the situation.

Sorry, but she will have to concede after she cant win by that sized margin on Tuesday.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:05 PM
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28. She is going to need all the momentum she can find
I live here in Ohio travel all over work in sales in the grocery biz and I tell you talk to a lot of people. It's going to be Obama the college kids are coming out in groves tomorrow for Obama.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:15 PM
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38. I hope you are right
That's the first comforting thing I have heard all day.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:21 PM
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43. My daughter is out there stumping for him now
They registered so many young voters you couldn't even believe it. She said if Obama does win she will keep registered voters till we get these Republicans out of office. LOL I tell you a ton of young voters tomorrow for Obama!!! I am so proud of her I could cry.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:34 PM
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46. I'm proud of both of
you and so nervous I could die!
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:35 PM
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47. relax drink a glass of wine he is going to win and win big
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:43 PM
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50. Don't drink anymore...
but, that's okay I'll be alright.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:05 PM
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29. How about a link....since you supposedly just read this.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:40 PM
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49. Its on Politico.. he made up the headline. Link below..
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:05 PM
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30. Everyone has known for weeks she will need a double digit win
in both Texas and Ohio to make a dent in the Obama campaign. No news here, but nice try.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:06 PM
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32. It's true - she needs double digit wins or she CANNOT catch him. This is new(s)???
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 05:06 PM by jmg257
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:07 PM
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33. She'll have to pull SEXTUPLE double digits in OH AND TX
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 05:09 PM by rocknation
in order for her just to pull even.

:headbang:
rocknation
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:10 PM
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35. That's DUzy material!
:rofl:

:thumbsup:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:11 PM
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36. It's the math
and it's just not adding up for the Clinton campaign.
Sorry.
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Thurston Howell III Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:13 PM
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37. Did I misread something or was the memo referring to the Clinton camp?
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 05:16 PM by Thurston Howell III
:scared:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:18 PM
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41. We'll see
won't we?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:19 PM
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42. They released a memo to you? Yeah right.
Hillary does need Double-digit leads tomorrow or she is done.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:22 PM
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44. Losing 20% and 30% leads in TX and OH is not momentum.
Losing huge leads is in states a person should have hone by 20 points is not momentum as I understand it. It has to start becoming painfully obvious to the Clinton camp that whichever states they campaign in from here on out will see Obama make huge double digit gains. This is the definition of losing. Even Richardson as told her to get her head straight and drop out after Tuesday.
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