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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:22 PM
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If you are worried that someone is trying to hijack your party,
Are you disloyal for fighting back?

Again, I'm a Canadian and I have no dog in the race... but this question is for those who are bashing the Hillary supporters and others who are just trying to get folks to look at Obama critically.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1752381.ece

DISILLUSIONED supporters of President George W Bush are defecting to Barack Obama, the Democratic senator for Illinois, as the White House candidate with the best chance of uniting a divided nation.


Seriously, should BUSH supporters be deciding who the Democrats enter into the race?

Is a democrat disloyal for asking that question?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:23 PM
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1. Should we turn away those who realize the error of their ways?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:24 PM
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2. Exactly but critical thinking is not allowed by certain candidates followers.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:26 PM
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5. So let me get this straight?
A number of former republicans have decided to switch alliances and instead of welcoming them to the fold, we should hate and scorn them?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:37 PM
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11. So you think the "be a Democrat for a day " people have actually switched alliances?
and you think the $250 the students were paid in Iowa guaranteed a lifetime of support? Wow.Yeah, these are people to be welcomed and proud of.In my state we have a bunch of new "anti choice dems".I am told i should embrace them as well.Some are even candidates. Well, I do not welcome such. They will vote for McCain in November.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:46 PM
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13. It must be comforting to know the minds of everyone in the US.
If only we all had such extraordinary perception.

:eyes:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:09 PM
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17. I don't know about "everyone'. I only stated that i don't believe the "Dems for a day" will remain
Dems.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:08 PM
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16. You don't think some can honestly come to the conclusion
the republicans are misleading them and come to our side?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:31 PM
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19. And choose Obama? Very few indeed.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:42 PM
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21. I hope sometime soon you realize your hatred of Obama was unmerited.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:49 PM
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22. Really. I seem to read more every day. And now the MSM is beginning to cover him.how will he fare?
I will never regret asking questions. His answers have not been forthcoming and he has not told the truth.Sorry don. His press conference today was just the beginning.very bush like to walk out and accuse a reporter of asking questions for a personal agenda as an excuse not to answer them,
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:29 PM
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18. check this out!...
it's a Kerry video, but it really says alot about this whole Primary season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:25 PM
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3. You are so right. Anyone who wants to become a democrat now must be ostracized!
And forbidden from voting!

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:25 PM
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4. GHWBush's allies GROOMED The Clintons political careers in the 80s and early 90s
You mean THAT type of hijacking of the party to continue the protection of BushInc and his powerful cronies like Jackson Stephens and Dubai and Saudi royals, Marc Rich, and many more?


And you WANT that protection of BushInc to continue for the next decade, too?
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:27 PM
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6. Apparently, Bush voters who bought his line of uniter bull are buying it again
And to answer your question, I was called a "pathetic excuse for a Democrat" earlier today for questioning all this Republican support at the expense of Democratic voters.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:27 PM
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7. Depends
How disillusioned is the Bush supporter? Are they disillusioned enough that they no longer support Bush? Then why not welcome them?
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:28 PM
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8. Our party has been hijacked already.
And so has the Republican party.
I look at it more as an opportunity to change and educate.
Don't fear change, embrace it
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:31 PM
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9. 'Disillusioned' being the key word there...
it was Democrats who were disaffected after the Carter years who gave us Reagan. I personally enjoy the irony that Bush has been bad enough to have an effect in the other direction.

And if they're disillusioned and disgusted with the Republican party at present, then perhaps they aren't actually Republicans anymore anyway. (See Democratic Senator James Webb of Virginia, who is a former Republican and Secretary of the Navy inder Reagan, for a prominent example.)
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iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:37 PM
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10. Hijacking our party? You mean like this....
making statements to the effect that the presumptive Republican nominee is more qualified than your Democratic opponent?

I'd say that person doesn't belong IN the Democratic Party.

Obama: guilty of siphoning off Republican voters from the pukes
Clinton: guilty of promoting the Republican candidate over a Democrat (because that Democrat might get more votes than her).

Hmmm...now who is really hijacking the Democratic Party?

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:39 PM
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12. We do not yet "Have" a "presumptive nominee" and the arrogance of those who insist Obama is a
presumptive nominee will help ensure that he is not.
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iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:01 PM
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15. McCain is the presumptive nominee referred to. Please, reading can't be so difficult can it? n/t
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:57 PM
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14. Your piece of shit Conservative PM is trying to help Hillary.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:34 PM
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20. That's really nice...
And it was CTV that broke the story... the Conservative PM is trying to cover it up.

Your post makes no sense.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:52 PM
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23. If a person was a Bush supporter 8 years ago.. by your logic
does that mean they can't be a "real democrat" today?? .... or a Bush supporter 4 years ago?.. when does one start to become a real Democrat? Just wondering.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:06 PM
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24. To be a "real democrat"...one must first ask the party elders if one can embark on a vision quest
....and drink the sacred tea made from the buttons of the peyote cactus. Then after one has completed their vision quest and faced the error of their ways, they must confess before the party each false doctrine of their former life they now eschew and slice a one inch gash in each leg for each policy of republicans they supported and then they must purify themselves in the holy vat of alcohol while the wounds are still fresh and wail their regrets before all the world.

Alternatively, they can realize that democrats are more in line with their values and check the box that says "D" on their voter registration.

I'm pretty good with either.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:10 PM
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25. lol, was just trying to
clarify what the op said. I supported Bush in 2000, sat out 2004 in disgust.. and became a "democrat" some time after that. Just wondering what my status is. :hide:
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