Fake outrage level raised to Defcon infinity. Twisting words and writhing.

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Hillary made a strong point that we need someone with enough experience to fight the repuke in Nov. She put herself forward as being better than Obama to fight experience with experience. It is the same argument she's been making for months. But no, no - Obama supporters cannot see the simple logic of her statement, because it hits Obama pretty hard. Very effective statement. I love this line:

"He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

How anyone gets Hillary endorsing mccain from that is just beyond me.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. "reeling, writhing and fainting in coils"

From Alice in Wonderland or Looking Glass... don't recall which.

It's Lewis Carrol's punning version of the standard girls' cirriculum of the time: "reading, writing and painting in oils."

[bunnies]

11. "Writhing" in Alice in Wonderland?

Oh, Do post a link. I always love the x rated version. Extra oils.

[Sparkly]

18. I never knew that!

The things I learn on DU!

[anamandujano]

2. They are desperate to reflect the spotlight from his blunders.

[anonymous171]

3. So you will vote for McCain then?

Experience matters after all.

[Birthmark]

4. It's easy to construe that as an endorsement of McCain...

All you need to do is first project your hopes and dreams onto a slick-talking unknown. After that, all manner of magical divination becomes possible for the dedicated.

[DearAbby]

5. Obama also has a lifetime of experience

So It comes down to their records. I have already voted, last Super Tuesday, so I have no say in what happens tomorrow. I hope the people who are voting tomorrow, votes for the best candidate. Isn't Democracy great?

[grantcart]

6. Hillary and John will be sitting at the adult table and Obama will be

at the children's table --- gee I wonder how that would have gone over before South Carolina.

[bigbrother05]

7. That is statement that is made

VP running mate

[quinnox]

8. Because saying the truth about the prophet drives cultists insane

"How dare Hillary say McCain has more experience than Obama and that he will use this in a general election campaign!"

Hmmm, is it true?

"Well, yes but we don't talk about our prophets weaknesses, because he is perfect in our eyes, amen"

The truth is hard to take for cultists of all stripes.

[blonndee]

9. I guess you might want to ask Rachel Maddow how she "got this" because she did. nt

[doublethink]

10. You've purposely posted the wrong quote .... here let me correct you .....

"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know that Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

and here's the video ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/3/174153/7363/722/468109

[anamandujano]

12. That's good. I suspect that is what has upset Keith and Rachel.

[ginnyinWI]

69. what astonishes me is the total lack of loyalty to the Dem Party. n/t

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14. Oh let the accusations fly, ok? Link to the quote I used, almost identical to the one you use.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4865412&mesg_id=4865412

what's the difference, eh?



it's all part of the conspiracy man...

:eyes:

[doublethink]

25. This is what you posted in the OP .....

"He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

How anyone gets Hillary endorsing mccain from that is just beyond me." -end quote'

To answer your question .... no shit sherlock. From the quote you posted in the op no one in their right mind would believe Hillary was endorsing mccain, you cut his name out of the quote ....selective editing? But the whole quote of what Hillary said today is the cause for concern ...

Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. "I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

Keith Olberman gets it, Rachel Maddow gets it, do you???

"That's what you say when you want to be John McCain's vice presidential choice. That's not what you say when you want to be the Democratic nominee for president." Rachel Maddow

'Unbelievable' Keith Olberman.

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29. No I don't get it, because it's bullshit. Point to the part she praises/endorses mccain.

You can't because it isn't there.

She is making the same argument she's been making all along.

[doublethink]

31. Dude I can't teach you to read or open your eyes .....

"none so blind as those who will not see"

I will leave you with this "By the power of truth, I have conquered the universe!" ha ha !!! Hey have a great night dude, long day tomorrow :)

[rodeodance]

44. she is talking about his experince--open YOUR eyes

[doublethink]

54. This experience you speak of rodeodance .....

Putting this mccain issue aside for the moment (and his experience} ..... James Buchanan before he took office was the most 'experienced' President in U.S. history. Check out his resume. Richard Nixon ... too was quite 'experienced' ...... Well both are in the bottom with Bush as the WORST Presidents we ever had.

Abraham Lincoln .. ummmmm not so experienced before he took office. He turned out pretty good ehhhh? :) ...... I could go on but tell me of this 'experience' Hillary speaks of about herself? Not Bill's (and not mccains)..... but hers? Foreign Policy Experience? What big 'Crisis' decisions has Hillary ever had to make? I'm making my choice in these primaries based on who I believe has shown the better 'Judgment' in their past decisions, but to each his own.

Okay back to normal programing. Peace. :)

[rodeodance]

57. you can choose not be believe-prob. with good exp. but she is no Nixon ect!!

[doublethink]

60. I never compared her to Nixon etc ......

just saying this 'experience' or there-the-lack-of, argument doesn't hold up when scrutinized. That's all, the sun will shine tomorrow for us all whatever the day may bring. Peace. :)

[maddiejoan]

17. and here's the FULL quote

Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. "I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

[Exilednight]

13. "She put herself forward as being better than Obama to fight experience " She also put....

McCain forward as being better than Obama.

It's rovian word play.

[anamandujano]

15. As I mentioned in another thread, Kerry would probably agree with her.

He and McCain have chaired military committees together.

It would be interesting if Kerry would lie about this, when he knows Hillary is right on this one.

[Exilednight]

16. Kerry would be more diplomatic in how he said it, so as not too hurt the party.

[maddiejoan]

19. nominating Obama

will hurt the party.

Even having Obama win the Presidency will eventually hurt the party.

[Exilednight]

21. I see more of a problem with Hillary and the DLC in power. repug light is not a Democratic trait.

[maddiejoan]

22. one problem you overlook

Obama is far closer to a DLC platform than Hillary.

[Exilednight]

24. Not even close. Hillary is running the top down, 16 state strategy.

[maddiejoan]

26. That's a campaign strategy

I was talking about his PLATFORM.

Oh --I forgot --to Obama supporters it's only about winning --not what one actually will do with that win.

Explain to me where Obama is not running with a straight up DLC agenda.

[Exilednight]

27. That's a DLC strategy. Look at the DLC membership and see whose name is on it. Obama, or Clinton?

[maddiejoan]

28. Look at the DLC platform and agenda

tell me who is running closer to it.

You are talking strategy --I am talking policy.

Is campaign tactics all you look at for a POTUS?

[Exilednight]

32. It is when they are rovian, and not much seperates the two candidates on policy. 95% of their....

platform is almost the same. Not much separates Obama and Clinton - but their strategy sure does. I also find Hillary to be more hawkish.

[maddiejoan]

33. I don't

Hillary has publicly stated she will not wage pre-emptive War.

Obama has stated he would bomb a sovereign Pakistan with or without their blessings.

[Exilednight]

35. That's not what Obama said, but nice try. Hillary gave Bush the same military power to be used ....

on Iran as she did Iraq.

She states she didn't vote for war, it was called the "Iraq War Resolution", maybe the title could have tipped her off. Everyone knew we were going to war. If she honestly wants me to believe that she didn't, then my only other conclusion is that she was duped by an idiot.

[maddiejoan]

36. that's all you have?

The "title"?

Try reading the "Clear Skies Initiative" while you're at it.

or "No Child Left Behind"

Better yet --try actually reading the IWR.

[Exilednight]

37. I've read the IWR forwards and backwards. UN inspectors blah blah blah. I'm no rocket....

scientist, but 20 years in the military gave me the experience to know the sound of war when I hear it.

Did you honestly believe that we weren't going to go to war?

[maddiejoan]

38. I believed at the time

that Dubya was going to war no matter what.

I also believed at the time that the IWR was a foolish, but last ditch effort to get Inspectors back into Iraq in the hopes that it could be proved there were no WMD and War could have been avoided.

[Exilednight]

39. Here's what I know. 80,000 + dead iraqi civillians, also known as ....

collateral damage so as not to put a face on the innocent, 3972 dead American soldiers, one being my best friend, and two people running for President who voted for the resolution, and one man who went on record and denounced it.

Hillary didn't learn from her first mistake with the Iraq vote; no, she turned around and gave the President the same authority for Iran.

Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[maddiejoan]

40. Kyl/Lieberman

was not even close to being that.

stop lying.

[Exilednight]

42. It gives the President the authority to use force, and places no restrictions on him.

[Exilednight]

43. dupe

[maddiejoan]

45. oh my

you really are gone ain't ya.

[Exilednight]

47. The text of the bill....

(5) that the United States should designate the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and place the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists, as established under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and initiated under Executive Order 13224;


The Patriot Act and the IRW allows the President to attack any country that is labeled a "foreign terrorist organization".

[maddiejoan]

48. Did you have the same problem with S 970?

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s970/show

[Exilednight]

49. No, it doesn't authorize the use of force. It clearly states...

Authorizes the President to: (1) carry out exchange programs with the people of Iran; and (2) make voluntary grant-based contributions to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) for the establishment of an international nuclear fuel bank to maintain a reserve of low-enriched uranium in case of a disruption in the supply of reactor fuel by normal market mechanisms.

No where in the bill does it give the President to use force, nor is there a round about way for the President to use force. On the other hand, he didn't that authority in this bill - Congress already gave it to him.

[maddiejoan]

50. By your logic it does

it also declares the IRG a terrorist group.

[Exilednight]

52. I do not see that, please point it out.

[maddiejoan]

53. You said:

"The Patriot Act and the IRW(sic) allows the President to attack any country that is labeled a "foreign terrorist organization".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4165479&mesg_id=4165479

enjoy

[Exilednight]

55. I've read S-970. No where does it designate the IRG as "foreign terrorist organization".....

You say it does. Provide the section. It addresses them, but it doesn't designate them.

The President wouldn't be able to use S-970 as a pretext to war on the basis of the IRG being designated a terrorist organization.

There was only one way to label them, and Kyl/Lieberman did that.

Think of it like this:

Bush won the election based of a court ruling, not by the decision of the people. Once the SC ruled he became the President. No matter how much we protest - he's still the President. I can write a bill that says President Bush is an idiot, but by writing the words "President Bush" in the bill did not make him President - the SC did that already.

[Exilednight]

56. Or in simpler terms....

If Kyl Liebermann was repealed, the designation in S-970 would have no legs. The designation is completely dependent upon Kyl/Liebermann.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

59. The K/L language was taken from S970, word for word

so you must not have read it very closely

[zabet]

61. A vote Obama missed.

Was not important to him I guess. :shrug:

Or maybe it was because there was no
political posturing 'present' vote allowed
he missed this vote that his followers hold
so near and dear to their hearts.

[bvar22]

65. ?

[ginnyinWI]

70. Kerry has explained

why Obama has more real experience than Hillary. He knows that this is not the time to bring McCain into this.

[meow mix]

20. clearly supporting mccain over obama: SHE IS A TRAITOR: HERES THE VIDEO. GO TO HELL HILLARY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw&eurl=

[mckeown1128]

23. At least you are honest enough to admit...

twisting words. Who am I gonna belive.. you or my own eyes... She is clearly making the case for McCain.

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[Kurt_and_Hunter]

34. Wow! "Hillary cornered like the cat in heat that she is..."

You seem to have given this a lot of thought.

[rodeodance]

41. Wish i could give you 200 RECS

[AX10]

46. Speech giving does not equal experience.

[Raffi Ella]

51. well the answer is right there in your post.

"...because it hits Obama pretty hard. Very effective statement."

The closer Hillary gets at the truth about Obama the louder and more obnoxious some of his supporters here get.

[rodeodance]

58. THE ONES that believe such nonsense are not Democrats. shame on them.

[chascarrillo]

62. Let me paraphrase for you.

Clinton (paraphrasing): "I have experience. John McCain has experience. Obama does not have experience."

That's an endorsement of McCain over Obama any way you slice it.

[rodeodance]

63. I can not talk to anyone who jumps to such silly conclusions.

[chascarrillo]

66. You don't seem to say anything in your posts anyways...

... so I'm not sure that's a big loss on my part. But, if you're feeling charitable, would you care to tell me what was wrong with my paraphrase?

[complain jane]

64. K&R

[faithfulcitizen]

67. Really, it's beyond you? She's saying McCain has experience & Obama doesn't. It's pretty clear..

How anyone can defend this crap is beyond me.

[mmonk]

68. Nasty tactics. More props to the republican because of experience.

Only Clinton supporters see it your way.

[KimberleeJean]

71. I've seen big campaigns and small campaigns, and

Having a woman and a black man on the ticket is about 100 percent less fun than I thought it would be.