WHAT THE HELL?? clinton kisses up to mccain? rips obama?

[dempartisan23]

will so called democratic voters vote for mccain loving clinton tomorrow? this isnt the party i joined. clinton has turned on all of us and i will never vote for her now. nader is looking alot better now.

[JKaiser]

1. She just said McCain has more experience than Obama.. which is true..

[Mz Pip]

4. She pretty much said

Obama's only experience was a speech in 2002. That is just bullshit.

[JKaiser]

8. Well he didn't do anything to stop the war.. It was just a speech.

[Mz Pip]

11. A speech that

no one else seemed to be willing to make.

But since then he's done plenty.

[JKaiser]

22. he hasn't done crap to bring troops home

[Mz Pip]

23. Neither has she

Neither has McCain.

[JKaiser]

26. Well then quit acting like Obama is antiwar

[karynnj]

33. How can he do that? Only Bush can do that - no Senator can

[JKaiser]

43. He could have made more antiwar speeches more than just one..

He could have not supported the funding for the war, hold forums, make bills... HE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING... He did nothing..

[karynnj]

50. Feindgold has put his amendments on many bills - and Obama has always voted for them

except the first - Kerry/Feingold that only 13 Senators voted for. How would holding forums against the war do more than running for President.

[JKaiser]

54. The bottom line is that he didn't do anything antiwar

A PRO-WAR RECORD

Then there’s the matter of his actual policy and political record. If Obama is such (as many “progressives” seem to need to believe) an “antiwar” candidate, why has he offered so much substantive policy support to the criminal occupation and the broader imperial “war on terror” of which Bush says O.I.F. is a part? Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record recently sent to me by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization:

“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars...Roll call 2”

“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”

“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture... man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”

“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities. He is suspected of instigating death squads while in Iraq, resulting in the current insurgency. Instead of calling for Negroponte's prosecution, Obama rewarded him by making him National Intelligence Director. Roll call 107”

“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 ”

“7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”

“9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”
“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war. Roll call 2 .”

“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”

“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”

“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”

“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112 .”

“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi… Michael Berg, whose son was reportedly killed by al-Zarqawi, condemned the attack and expressed sorrow over the innocent people and children killed in the bombing that Obama commended. Roll call 168 .”

“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq and allows profiteers to collect more money for scamming the people of New Orleans. Roll Call 171 .”

“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 ”

“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 ”

“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”

“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .

9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 ”

“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”

“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”

“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries. Roll Call 272 ”

“Obama's voting record in 2007 establishes that he continues to be pro-war. On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 ...Obama's record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”


http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=12687

[Skip Intro]

16. Please, that's been his rallying cry from the begining. She hit back. Where did she kiss up to

mccain?

[meow mix]

9. she told america "anyone but obama" and included mccain by name. its clear

she endorsed mccain over obama

[JKaiser]

17. She did not.. She just said that McCain and Her have more experience than OBama

and therefore Obama would be a bad dem nominee going up against McCain.

[earthlover]

37. Why the fuck would Hillary say that? Has she lost her mind?

[bvar22]

62. And McCain has WAY more experience than Hillary.

This will NOT play well in the GE IF Hillary gets the nom.

[cbayer]

32. Could you give me a link for that?

I can't find anything that says "anyone but Obama"

[meow mix]

45. that is the obvious meaning. heres the video of the traitor GO TO TRAITORS HELL WITH JUDAS, HILLARY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw&eurl=

[cbayer]

47. Yeah, I saw the video.

And that's not what she said.

That's just what you heard because you think she is a traitorous Judas who should go to hell.

But many people don't think that and did not hear it that way.

[bigdarryl]

10. I am sick of these canidates talking about there so-called EXPERIENCE

NONE and I mean None of them know shit about being President and don't give me this shit about Hillary being a damn first lady because if thats a new criteria for President than CRAZY ASS Laura Bush is qualified.

[earthlover]

36. What is she going to say, if she gets the nomination, when McCain says he has more experience?

That's a major problem with Hillary. She has based her campaign on a theme she loses in the general election.

[stratomagi]

38. And more experience than her as well.

So maybe she should win the nomination then drop out so McCain can run unopposed because thats all that counts.

[midora]

53. McCain has More Experience than Hellary, Too

I do not support McCain or agree with him on his positions, but he does have a long record of public service. And what's Hellary's record? She's been a senator for 7 years, and she's been Billy's First Lady, in Arkansas and in Washington D.C. Yeah, that's a lot of experience all right. Hellary doesn't seem to care if she tears the Democratic Party apart with her vicious campaign. I'm starting to wonder if she's made some kind of deal with the Republicans.

[Hepburn]

56. And McCain is more experienced than she is....

...your point?

[Mz Pip]

2. I will never never never

vote for Nader.

BUt Hillary's "My way or McCain" if it happened just turned me off to her big time.

[Windy]

3. I won't vote for Nader, but I may either sit it out or write someone in.

I've had it with her.

[dempartisan23]

6. if that turncoat clinton is the nominee

mccain is president. i will never vote for hillary clinton.

[idovoodoo]

21. And there is the true irony resulting from our party's failure to nominate a candidate

who could actually win a general election. Get ready to see " President McCain " in the news come November.

[earthlover]

39. She would lose by such a large margin that nader will not be a factor....

She can't go after McCain on Iraq. She can't go after McCain on experience. Just WHAT will she go after him about?

[TexasObserver]

5. She knows she can't be Obama's VP, so she's trying for McCain's VP.

[Tom Rinaldo]

Is there no lie too extreme to assert on DU?

Apparently not.

YOU may not think that voters will care very much how Obama matches up against McCain on experience, but let's at least agree that the jury is still out on that.

I care about it. That is one of the reasons I decided over 9 months ago not to support Obama over some of the other Democratic candidates. He matched up worst against McCain than several other Democrats then running. And Hillary said just why.

[Recursion]

28. So I assume you support Richardson, Biden, or Dodd?

Nobody else really has much experience.

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. I briefly supported Biden

until it became obvious he didn't have a chance in Iowa. I would likely have supported Dodd if I ever thought he had a chance in Iowa. I wanted Clark, Gore or Feingold.

But Hillary Clinton has been in the U.S. Senate for 7 years compared to Obama's three years, and she was an important part of an 8 year Democratic Presidency before that. She does know many world leaders, she has dealt with them before.

I know many Obama supporters want to discount Hillary's time in the White House, and her time as First Lady of Arkansas also. I don't. We can disagree on that but by and large the American people take my side in that debate. Democratic voters in the primaries have also. Hillary is always ranked higher on experience than Obama, even if experience isn't always the top priority for Democratic primary voters.

The last time America elected a President Barack Obama was sitting in a State Legislature.

[Recursion]

35. Fair enough

know many Obama supporters want to discount Hillary's time in the White House, and her time as First Lady of Arkansas also. I don't. We can disagree on that but by and large the American people take my side in that debate.

Fair enough; certainly the media has helped spread that notion (as I pointed out often, after a year of just swallowing that line, one reporter finally asked this weekend "umm.... exactly what crises has Senator Clinton faced that qualifies her to be President", to which Penn essentially had no answer, and I have not yet heard an answer from anyone).

But, yes, that's where the narrative is, so we have to run with it. Given that, I think that if we make this election about "experience", Senator Clinton (along with every Senator but Byrd) loses to McCain.

[earthlover]

44. Obama has more national experience than Bill Clinton did when he was elected....

Bill did OK, so will Obama.

[earthlover]

42. Obama could (and probably will) be the nominee...why is Hillary helping McCain?

It is 3AM...shut the fuck up Hillary!

[iilana X]

7. If you know any Super Delegates call them and ask them to listen to her statement.

This is an embarassment to the party and she is only going to get worse if her wretched smear campaign continues.

[dempartisan23]

15. dont worry

i will make it loud and clear if that turncoat clinton is the nominee my vote goes elsewhere.

[iilana X]

30. Is there a list of Supers out there?

And there's always he DNC and Dean. I'd be willing to bet this is causing him some angst already.

Hillary can damn herself for all I care as long as she don't take the party with her.

[Windy]

I plan to email that statement to as many supers as I can. I urge others to join me in the effort! n

[iilana X]

31. Are they listed anywhere? n/t

[depakid]

12. More stupid hyperbole

You know, if you all can't toughen your hides a little and see politics for what it is- and what's to come, you're in for a really rough ride.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Pastor Hagee can be their foreign policy advisor.

Since McCain agrees with his policies.

[JVS]

14. She's heinous!

[idovoodoo]

18. The party you joined broke up when the everclear and crack were gone.

...

[Rick Myers]

19. Please do not use the 'N' word

[Genevieve]

20. She's really scum. Horrible. nt

[dempartisan23]

27. she stuck a knife in all of us

good luck clinton, you dont have a chance against mccain now, you vile.

[Genevieve]

29. She certainly did.

Hillary -- Please go away already.
Traitor.

[malik flavors]

24. The issue isn't how much experience Obama has, it's that she put a repug before a dem.

An there's no denying that.

Hillary CLinton, today's worst person...INN THHHEEE WOOORRLLLLDD!

[Medusa]

41. and herself before the party

Leader? No, Destroyer is a better choice for what she is turning out to be.

[oasis]

25. You don't have to wait till next week. If you're promoting Nader, get lost now.

Only Democrats here:dem:

[dempartisan23]

46. really?

then why did clinton endorse mccain? maybe she doesnt belong here.

[oasis]

48. Laying out the ugly facts rather than telling folks "what they'd like to hear"

is right out of the Obama staight talk handbook. It's a fact that McCain stands head and shoulders over Obama on matters of national security/defense.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that the opposite is true.

[meow mix]

40. KICK

[Thrill]

49. I can't believe what Hillary said today. I just heard it

I'm just speechless. I really can't believe it.

[Lilith Velkor]

51. Fellating Reagan's corpse GOOD, Stating fact about McCain BAD

OK, gotcha. :eyes:

[wileedog]

52. Reagan's corpse is running for President?

[Lilith Velkor]

61. It's not allowed to because it already served two terms, but Obama seeks its endorsement

I find that very troubling.

But please don't mind me, by all means continue going apeshit about a mere statement of fact from Clinton. This is what makes DU comedy gold.

[zulchzulu]

55. She must be off her meds

[Cha]

57. hilary's a

zellout.

[zulchzulu]

59. She is more like Zell every day

[Rosa Luxemburg]

58. she's trying for seom GOP votes

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

60. "this isnt the party i joined." (last week)