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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:03 PM
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Have you ever compared Clinton's and Obama's websites?
They are both filled with the types of things you'd expect - how to volunteer, how to buy their merchandise, policies and stands on issues, biographical info, etc.

The big difference is the additional negativity found all over Clinton's site. Just like the difference between the two campaigns and the two candidates, it's startling.

First there's the "Attack Timeline" - a linear timeline of "attacks" by Obama on poor poor Clinton:
http://www.attacktimeline.com/

And what would you expect a "Fact Hub" to be on any candidate's site? Facts about that candidate, right? Well, probably on most candidates' sites that's exactly what it would be - but on Clinton's site, it's all about Obama!
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/

Another interesting page is the "Delegate Hub." A very very curious addition in my opinion, but ok, let's go with it - it must be about delegates, right? Nope, it's about....you guessed it, Obama!
http://www.delegatehub.com/

Stroll on over to the press release section - about half are about Obama!
http://hillaryclinton.com/news/release/

There is indeed a "Fact Check" section on Obama's website that sets the story straight on the Clinton campaign's lies, but that's the only section of its kind.
http://factcheck.barackobama.com/

Why is Clinton so negative and why is she seemingly obsessed with Obama? I know he's her competition, but the level of focus on Obama is odd.

Just a quick look at the two websites is a perfect summation of the differences between the two candidates. One is negative and antagonistic, the other is positive and confident. One looks to criticize, the other looks to move forward and upward.

'Nuff said.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:04 PM
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1. It's interesting how Clinton can be a "fighter" and yet play the "victim" card at the same time.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:22 PM
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10. A "victim" who's "fighting" is called an underdog
And America loves them, see?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:26 PM
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11. America loves them when their genuine and honest - like the Giants
America turns on them when they're deceptive,manipulative and not really the underdog, just playing one - like Clinton.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:32 PM
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13. Exactly n/t.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:33 PM
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15. and who would you say...
was the 'under-dog'? I mean...considering...

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=17&num=16150

HILL TROUNCING RIVALS IN N.H. & OHIO
By IAN BISHOP
January 31, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has blown past her primary rivals in the 2008 kickoff state of New Hampshire, and bests the field of White House hopefuls in the swing state of Ohio, new polls show.


Clinton's poll bounce comes on the heels of her announcement that she's running, and her much-publicized first campaign foray into Iowa this past weekend.

She had enjoyed a high-tech campaign rollout, featuring a video announcement of her candidacy and three nights of Web chats with supporters.

"We had a great first week and we hope it is a sign of things to come," campaign spokesman Phil Singer told The Post yesterday.

Clinton has jumped out to a 15-point lead in New Hampshire over her leading rival, Barack Obama, 40 percent to 25 percent, the new Survey USA poll shows. Former Sen. John Edwards stands at 23 percent.


Hillary Clinton: Is the Democratic Nomination All Hers?
She doesn’t have the nomination prize wrapped up just yet, but the paper and ribbon are handy.


By Richard Sammon, Senior Associate Editor, The Kiplinger Letter
October 22, 2007
http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Hillary_Clinton_Is_Democratic_Nomination_Hers_071022.html

Hillary Clinton’s lead over her Democratic rivals is starting to look formidable. The N.Y. senator is overshadowing the other presidential hopefuls, pulling way ahead in the polls, in fundraising and in organization.

The media are starting to refer to her as the presumptive nominee, a characterization that must make the other candidates feel frustrated.



CLINTON HAS 33-POINT LEAD
By GEOFF EARLE

October 4, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has jumped to an astounding 33-point lead over Barack Obama, topping her main rival among every major slice of the electorate and widening a dominating advantage she has held all summer.

Clinton got support from a full majority for the first time in any national survey about the Democratic presidential field. She is backed by 53 percent in the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll.

Obama follows far behind, with 20 percent, and John Edwards has 13 percent.

"I think it's pretty well done, don't you? All over but the voting," said Rep. Tom Petri (D-Wis.), when asked about the poll
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042007/news/nationalnews/clinton_has_33_point_lead.htm


May 8th, 2007 at 13:15:24

Poll: Clinton pulls ahead of Obama

http://rawstory.com/comments/31343.html
Agence France-Presse

Hillary Clinton has taken a 15 percentage-point lead over fellow US Senator Barack Obama in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, according to poll results published Tuesday...


October 3, 2007, 1:45 pm

By Dalia Sussman

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton far outpaces her main Democratic rivals to handle a range of issues, and she is considered the strongest leader and the most electable – forces that have helped her widen her lead in the race for the Democratic nomination, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Mrs. Clinton has anywhere from a 30-point lead to a 51-point lead over Senator Barack Obama
to handle health care, the economy, the war in Iraq and the campaign against terrorism, the poll found.


Poll: Hillary Ahead In South Carolina
By Eric Kleefeld - August 22, 2007, 10:35AM
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/08/poll_hillary_ahead_in_south_carolina.php
New polling from Rasmussen has Hillary Clinton beating Barack Obama in the South Carolina primary, with 38% for Hillary against 30% for Obama, with John Edwards at a distant third with 13%. Hillary and Obama are even among black voters, a demographic in which Obama needs a strong majority in order to win. Among whites, Hillary leads with Edwards in second, and Obama far behind.


Iowa Poll Shows Clinton Ahead By 29 Percent

http://wap.nbc5.com/detail.jsp?key=251931&rc=ln_ne
10/08/2007 -- There's a new poll out in the all important state of Iowa that shows presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton ahead by 29 percent, with John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama not far behind.


Clinton leaving Obama in the dust in latest state poll

Friday, August 17, 2007

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/08/17/MNG7RJV1E1.DTL&type=politics
New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, bolstered by an aggressive campaign organization in California, has amassed a whopping 30-point lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama - and enjoys more support among likely voters in the state Democratic primary than all of her Democratic presidential rivals combined, a Field Poll released today shows.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:38 PM
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18. Yup. Those are some mighty impressive polls
Interesting to see what actually happens in a REAL poll.

This should be fun.

:popcorn:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:42 PM
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20. Real Poll?
You mean all those states that didn't count?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:51 PM
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22. The actual voting is what I meant
In the immortal words of a former politician in my country, "polls are for dogs".
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:28 PM
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12. hilary's schizoid, I tell ya..just what this
country doesn't need. Another, basketcase in the oval office.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:38 PM
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19. She's the only fighter I've ever seen whose "go to" move was to curl up in a fetal position and cry
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:44 PM
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21. Ha!
:spray:

Pardon me while I go get a napkin...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:05 PM
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2. You must have missed this while at Obama's website...
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:09 PM
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4. Well, not exactly - it's part of the Fact Check section that I did list.
I just didn't list every page.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:11 PM
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5. One page in a sub directory
Hillary Clinton has 15 different domains on servers completely apart from her candidate domain. hillaryhub, attacktimeline, delegatehub, thehillaryiknow, votingpresent, are just some of them.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:14 PM
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6. pssst..... it can also be accessed as a seperate website.. and it was put up before
Hillary put up attacktimeline.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:17 PM
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9. How do you know that?
Is it on the Attack Timeline? :rofl:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:12 AM
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24. Really?
How can you be you sure about that? Do you know the creation date of that particular page? The page, not the website. In case you don't know this, websites get updated with new, additional pages and content all the time. You're saying you know exactly how old that page on that sub-domain is?

Yes, it can be accessed on it's own. That's the function of a sub-domain. Unless you have a different URL than the one you gave me.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:15 PM
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7. Maybe that's where all the money went.
Domain name registrations can be pricey.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:15 AM
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25. Not so much anymore
Maybe for suckers. If you're paying more than ten dollars a year, then you are a sucker. They used to cost 70.00-120.00 a year so the price has gone way down. You can get them cheaper, just make sure it's in your name.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:07 PM
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3. As my wife likes to put it...
Both websites effectively reflect "the shadow of the leader". Hillary's reflects her--and undoubtedly Mark Penn's--personality, while Obama's clearly reflects his, and his outlook on things. Goes with the territory.

I'm just glad to be supporting the "positive" candidate!:D

B-)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:16 PM
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8. Same here, while hoping we don't get fooled again. n/t
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:32 PM
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14. from the timeline...
01/15/08 Obama says Hillary uses ‘fear of terrorism in scoring political points.'

Umm, didn't she just completely do that? this attack timeline element is from a month ago..

:rofl:
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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:33 PM
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16. Hahaha. Clinton must want to lose.
She conveniently lists all of the valid arguments against her on her own "Attack Timeline", without even any rebuttals. At least Obama is smart enough to only write "Clinton Attacks Again" headlines, without detailing the substance of the attack.

That page makes her look TERRIBLE. Now I know where to direct people so they will stop supporting her.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:


:spray:






Worst. Campaign. Ever. (Or at least since Romney left the race.)
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:36 PM
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17. It was that very page in particular that inspired my post.
For a minute I thought I was on The Onion - when I realized I wasn't, I just had to share the comedy.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:01 AM
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23. Thanks for posting
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