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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:54 PM
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She could still win....
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/2769

All That, She Could Win
Jennifer Rubin - 03.03.2008 - 10:08
Despite the horrid press and doom-and-gloom campaign leaks, Hillary Clinton is within the margin of error in Texas and slightly ahead in Ohio. She has gotten off the defensive and the press, if not favorable, has been talking about her issues - Tony Rezko, national security, and media “unfairness.” As a bonus, critics (contrary to the “free ride” for Barack Obama line) have begun to question what exactly he has done to “build bridges.” A few even have the nerve to question whether his refusal to wear a flag pin on his label, his relationship with Bill Ayers and his wife’s comment that she had never been proud of her country before her husband started winning primaries could be used against him by those crafty Republicans. (The media cannot quite bring themselves to admit that these facts actually suggest a real disregard for the patriotric sensibilities which animate most Americans, but raising the issue is a start.) Even a liberal pundit or two has shown dismay over Obama’s pandering on
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:56 PM
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1. Also possible: comet smacking the earth, cheney going straight,
pigs flying

But I wouldn't hold my breath for any of it coming about tomorrow.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:29 AM
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16. I can't hold my breath either, havocmom
You got me! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:57 AM
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20. WOW!
Dick Cheney's GAY!! Oh...you mean his daughter, don't you?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:46 AM
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27. Nah, I'm so old 'goin straight' means giving up a life of crime
I am OLD. LOL
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:58 PM
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2. Rezko is a YAWN at best. HRC is very much on defense.
To say otherwise is just untrue. Either way her best outcome is to hang on because she's not getting the lead in delegate counts tomorrow. There is no question about that.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:58 PM
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3. You'll have to excuse me for disagreeing
She will not win the nomination. The Party will not allow her to do the tearing apart that she'd need to do to get the nom.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:23 AM
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12. She can't tear the party apart, BO has already done that.
The most disgusting candidate I've seen. No experience, smartaleck, pompous, arrogant, divisive, lacks the knowledge to handle the job, rude to anyone that questions, him, can't say what he thinks without Hillary's lead. Elmer Gantry is a good description.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:56 AM
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31. LOL! Put down the bottle or the pipe or whatever it is.
You're letting hate make you delusional. Neither Hillary or Obama are evil incarnate. The party has not been torn apart. Snap out of it.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:58 PM
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4. Yup.
:) She certainly could!
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:58 PM
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5. Her "issues" as you put it.
At first one would think you meant issues important to the American public, but I see that what you really mean are her personal "issues":

- Rezko: smear
- national security: fear
- media unfairness: always the victim.

:dem:
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:59 PM
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6. She could win Texas and Ohio, but she can't catch up in pledged delegates
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:00 AM
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7. Hillary Lieberman is her new name, after her latest stunt.
Is she running for Repuke Nominee now?
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:28 AM
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15. Lieberman is BO's buddy and Lugar and Hagel are his choice
for his admin. And don't forget how BO admires Reagan. You have a lot of nerve mention Hillary and a repb in the same sentence after the way BO has repeatedly praised the Repbs. and that's a fact. Vote for BO=vote for a repb.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:31 AM
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17. VP according to Rachael Maddow. (McCain's VP, that is)
How embarrassing.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:02 AM
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23. Most people in the country couldn't pick Rachael Maddow out of a police lineup.
She's really going to impact the contest.

:eyes:
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:07 AM
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33. Could that be because she is primarily known for her work in radio
and not for crimes she has committed?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:01 AM
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8. I think she still may do very well tomorrow...but Im not sure she can bridge his 100 delegate lead
I dont see her picking up all that many delegates tomorrow. I think Pennsylvania will be close no matter what, meaning another relative delegate split. I just dont see where she finds all those delegates to catch up.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:03 AM
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9. I guess most people are too young to remember Whitewater and Travelgate
the tax return forms reared their ugly heads back then too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_(controversy)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:07 AM
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10. This is what you want, what you support
Winning a campaign based on a bunch of lies? You want the media to blow the flag pin hoopla out of proportion, like they have the Muslim lies? This is who you are? These are your values?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:23 AM
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11. Just love your outrage about an article.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:24 AM
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14. You posted it
Are you in the habit of posting hyperbolic distortions and lies?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:00 AM
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22. I don't think they are lies.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:04 AM
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25. Really?
You think it's true that Obama refuses to wear a flag pin. And that Michelle isn't proud of her country. And that Obama consorts with sixties terrorists. And that he didn't get anything done in Illinois or DC.

Is that what you're saying?? Is that who you are?
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:24 AM
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13. the OP is citing "the flagship of neoconservatism", so your grain of salt may vary
Commentary is America’s premier monthly magazine of opinion and a pivotal voice in American intellectual life. Since its inception in 1945, and increasingly after it emerged as the flagship of neoconservatism in the 1970’s, the magazine has been consistently engaged with several large, interrelated questions <...>

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/abouthistory.cfm

In its early days a strong voice for liberal anti-communism, the magazine turned left during the early 1960s. It reversed this leftward shift, in counter-countercultural fashion, starting in the late 1960s, eventually becoming a principal organ of neoconservatism.<1><2>

Currently edited by Neal Kozodoy, its founder and original editor was Elliot E. Cohen. He was succeeded after his death in 1959 by Norman Podhoretz, who served as editor-in-chief until 1995 and is currently the magazine's editor-at-large. Beginning in January 2008 the magazine will be edited by John Podhoretz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_Magazine

An Obama Epiphany?
Abe Greenwald - 03.03.2008 - 15:50
<...>
NAFTA, Obama, and The Politics of Disingenuousness
John Podhoretz - 03.03.2008 - 15:49
<...>
Obama Denies Iraqis Hope and Change
Abe Greenwald - 03.03.2008 - 13:55
<...>
After All That, She Could Win
Jennifer Rubin - 03.03.2008 - 10:08

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/category/contentions
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:49 AM
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19. It would seem so to me. After yesterday, and today
I KNOW that even if I were a Hillary supporter, she would be losing my support. I just don't like people who play dirty. I'm not a Hillary supporter, for many reasons, but she has proven me right throughout her campaign. And now, in her final days of desperation, she has outdone even the Rovian type repuke tactics.

It will hopefully backfire, as all of the other dirty tricks have. I feel like I have seen the real Hillary Clinton, and it's not a pretty sight. I would, at this time, be ashamed to support her. It would appear many of her supporters share her "values". I just don't get it - somehow it's okay if Hillary does it.

I hope tomorrow will bring it to an end - she is an embarassment to the Democratic party.

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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:46 AM
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18. And Nora Desmond/HRC will still believe that even when she is not the nominee.
If she's still in the race after tomorrow's results, she is here to spoil and fragment our party.

I suppose every woman has a right to be a bitch sometime. I don't know how that applies to Huckabee other than he's just a dick.

Voting by hormones might be a good strategy if it really mattered to traumatized primary and GE voters across the country. Her campaign has proven that she is by far the best Republican in the house. I'm not looking for that in the next POTUS.

I don't know how the Clinton machine overcomes this spoiler perception and still hope to remain relevant in progressive politics. Oh wait, the Clintons were never as progressive as they promised.

I want serious change. I'm banking on Obama. And if he can’t do it, I'm sure the GOP minority will finally be willing to impeach.


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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:59 AM
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21. And we ALL hope she does...
it would be a wonderful and hard~fought victory.

:kick: and rec
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:02 AM
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24. The media merely reported the facts winth Hillary and she couldn't handle the truth...
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:06 AM
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26. If she wins, you lose
Independents, who dumped this party in disgust these last 2 elections, will dump it again.

Be very careful what you wish for.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:47 AM
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28. The math is not there.
for her, but keep on dreaming. :eyes:
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:48 AM
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29. Good stuff, EmilyG. We've been saying this all along but it's nice to see the media tide turning.
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:51 AM
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30. No, she can't win
Even if she wins the primaries, after all her campaign did to Obama, she'll be lucky to get 30-40% of the african american vote. We all know if a democrat is to win in swing states, he/she needs the african american vote.

What she did is disguisting and I hope she goes down today and get a primary opponent next time she decides to run for reelection.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:00 AM
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32. What a worthless piece of s*%t excerpt-it contradicts itself
First the media isn't fair and then it lists all the miniscule petty little bs talking points that are FILLING THE AIRWAVES

for crying out loud. Drop it with the "liberal media" bullshit already.

the people are sick of DC and Hillary *IS* DC establishment.

Get over it, it is not your time.

BTW the Clinton campaign had NO PROBLEM with the press when they were coronating her....then people started voting.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:08 AM
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34. Eek! the horror
It must be an election.
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