I just heard a Hillary vid say she is qualified and mccain is qualified, but Obama is just a speech

[still_one]

Is this true?

I have always said I would vote for the Democratic nominee, but if this video clip I heard is genuine, if she wins the nomination I may not vote in the general election

I am quite disturbed by this, because she has just said that she and mccain are qualified, but Obama isn't

In my view, if this is true, and not a video hack job, then if she gets the nomination, the country deserves her or mccain for their continued stupidity, but it won't be because of my contribution

Can someone verify if that video I saw is accurate?

[PretzelWarrior]

1. it is true. and deplorable as she sinks to the pit of despair

to grab up whatever vile and smelly offal she can find to fling at Obama. Notice....most of her recent attacks are not based in policy but on smearing, fear-mongering, and other good BushCo attributes.

Heil Hillary

[still_one]

3. I am quite disturbed by this, and this would be the last straw for me /nt

[AtomicKitten]

2. It is all about her, doncha know?

If she can't win the nod, she intends to kick Barack in the nuts politically, and the wingnuts not only approve but are assisting her in that endeavor:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4866144

[still_one]

4. This has nothing to do with limbaugh, this is her, and she bear full responsibility /nt

[AtomicKitten]

7. of course she does (nt)

[alphafemale]

16. I think if the nominee is not her she would rather that McCain won.

That way she can run again in 2012.

[still_one]

20. That is how I read it also. I am extremely dismayed. /nt

[AtomicKitten]

21. that's a distinct possibility

The Clintons', um, support of John Kerry in 2004 was, shall I say, soft?

[Mimosa]

31. Hillary will lead the way...to defeat

Atomic Kitten, their support was not only soft but fairly invisible! The Clintons keep showing us it's all about them.

[AtomicKitten]

75. I remember her taking sides against Kerry in 2004.

Out loud in front of a microphone, over some innocuous comment he made proving yet again she is in it for herself.

[Seeker30]

5. She's right

So WTF is the problem?

[PretzelWarrior]

8. you're a f#cking tool. all Obama has is a speech??? Beg pardon

but he spent years LEGISLATING in Illinois. he has now spent YEARS as senator in U.S. Congress. He has spent life prior to that in legal work and in leadership positions.

He is at least as qualified as Hillary based on experience if not more so.

But bottom line she said Obama has no experience other than giving a speech. What a load of shit. Her words and she herself should be Denounced AND REJECTED

[Seeker30]

14. Voting 'Present' = legislating to you?

[PretzelWarrior]

17. how many votes did he do that on?

it is sure better than missing crucial votes like the one Hillary missed recently where they decided to grant immunity to telecoms for illegal wiretapping.

[Window]

53. Out of thousands, yes, that's legislating.

[still_one]

9. No, problem with me anymore, she gets the nom, I sit the GE out have a good time /nt

[NDambi]

39. I will never vote for Hillary..she's shown she doesn't deserve my vote

[cali]

11. No she's not. Of course Obama has more experience than a speech

It's just silly to claim that he has no experience. He has more experience than Lincoln did and more experience than DDE. Hillary has 4 more years in the Senate than Obama. He has 8 years in the state legislature. She just does not have all that much more experience than he does.

[still_one]

15. It would not have bothered me if she did NOT bring mccain intot the picture

as qualified, with a very strong implication that Obama is not

I've had it with this mischaracterization. I can see if Obama wins the nomination, the mccain camp using Hillary's own words against Obama, where she said she and mccain are qualified to be President, but he isn't

I am extremely disappointed

[Window]

55. My sentiments exactly.

One would expect her to say that when comparing herself to Obama, but McCain. I'm sorry that was the proverbial straw.

I have come to dislike that woman intensely lately.

[Mimosa]

34. Hillary scorches earth

Oh, on CNN they keep replaying Hill's trashing of Obama. This sucks.

It is becoming clear to me that whether it's conscious or subconscious in origin, Hillary would just as soon see the democratic party go down in November if she isn't top of the ticket. It's PATHETIC, undignified and destructive to the party as a whole. I always thought something was fishy about the way Bill got chummy with George Bush I.

[Hugabear]

43. How dare you compare Obama to Lincoln and DDE

Of course you're right. But you just know that Hillary supporters will sink their fangs into you for making that statement. Nevermind the fact that Lincoln is known for what he did AFTER he got elected president.

[BearSquirrel2]

49. Attack where they're the strongest ...

Since about a month ago the gulf in the eloquence between O'Bama and Clinton became incredibly evident. Since then she's been "attacking his strength", a play right out of the Rove playbook.

BTW, that SNL portrayal of O'Bama was disgusting. The general rule is to take someone's traits and amplify it. Had they made a over the top brilliantly eloquent speaker of the O'Bama act they would have done well and still would have been funny. It's kinda like the portrayal of Carter as a "know absolutely everything" guy.

[bowens43]

13. Bullshit. Obama is much more qualified then your fucking HIllary .

[Hepburn]

33. If you don't know the problem, you need to quit the DU.

Unbelievable!

[NDambi]

38. You're fucking blind that's the problem...

[Hugabear]

41. So you feel McCain is more qualified than Obama?

I'm sure McCain will be happy to have your vote if he winds up facing Obama.

[LeftCoast]

6. The video is accurate. It's your interpretation that is in question. NT

[still_one]

10. Then tell me where I am interpreting it incorrectly, because for me this is critical /nt

[LeftCoast]

22. Subtle but (to me) important distinctions

She did not say she or McCain was qualified or Obama not qualified. She said they would speak to a lifetime of experience.

Now, you may disagree with the critique but you should not read into it things that aren't there.

Not that any of this will convince you...

[still_one]

23. I'll will consider it. However, these parsing of words bothers me also

What really grabs me badly is bringing mccain into the picture.

appreciate your response though

[exaudi]

47. damn clear

It's damned clear what she's doing.
"Parsing" doesn't get her off the hook.
Parsing also brings back bad memories of President Bill and his "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is."
Are we in for THIS again?

[Kokonoe]

25. "I know senator McCain has a life time of experience that he will bring to the white house."n/t

[earthlover]

42. She curiously used the word WILL as in McCain WILL win the White House

For someone who parses words so carefully, why this?

[exaudi]

52. dealtime?

She's going after Obama WHILE saying that McCain "WILL" bring experience to the W.H.?

That doesn't even make sense to an undecided voter.
So did she cut some deal? is she trying to pull in more conservative Dems? is it a primary-geared stunt?

[Abacus]

82. If the entire pretext of her campaign weren't built on a platform of experience,

then you might have something. I won't call it an endorsement of McCain as some others have, but the remark was at best irresponsible; if Obama had made it, I'd be irked. It only pisses me off more that people try to defend it and at the same time paint anyone who has an issue with it as foolish.

[sandnsea]

12. Yep, Obama just gave a speech

That's what she said.

[still_one]

18. Very sad in my view /nt

[marions ghost]

19. Hillary has sunk to a new low with this IMO

jumped the shark.

How could she --how could she?-- appear to ally with :thumbsdown: McCain in order to score points against Obama? :mad:

This is political betrayal of the worst kind. Hillary is much too smart and verbally savvy not to know the implications of her words.

We don't need such a small-minded individual for president. Hillary = lots of experience does not add up to wisdom.

[exaudi]

37. Suuuuuuure, she could

Why WOULDN'T you expect her to do this?
She has zero loyalty, and would throw just about anyone (or the whole damned party) under a bus if necessary.
I recall the fabulous "Clinton White House years" all too well (and they comprise 1/4 of her alleged "experience").
If I had ANY inclination to vote for her, her campaign's dirty tricks, barrage of anti-Obama smears, and manic hillbots insured that I wouldn't -- it's like the Return of Rove.
And I'm trying not to imagine what's ahead, because HRC is one scary piece o' work.

The ironic/funny thing is: I'm now seeing more and more op-eds, think-pieces, ec, stating that McCain NEEDS her to win the nomination -- so that he can win the election.

[johnnydrama]

24. it's not just that she's claiming more experience

She's claiming more experience in a crisis. When Mark Penn was asked what her experience in a crisis was, there was dead air for 5 seconds, and he never answered.

She is claiming that she'd be better in a crisis, without ever backing that up with evidence. She had no security clearance when she was first lady, so I don't know what international incidents she has experience handling.

Actualy, I do know. Absolutely zero!

[doc03]

26. She is right

[cooolandrew]

29. Erm not sure how that works she is beeing electing he as an opponent to McCain.

[bowens43]

27. Hillary is a disgrace.

[cooolandrew]

28. It was on Olberman and he deals in facts.

[against all enemies]

30. HRC is beginning to make me sick. I guess either HRC or McCain is OK.

according to Clinton.

[Hepburn]

32. Yes, it is true. Hillary "Traitor" Clinton did in fact say that. n/t

[AlinPA]

35. Yes, she said that. I am very worried that by channelling the republican

message she will turn off all the excitement that the Democrats have had so far. It has turned me off even thinking about voting for her in PA in the primaries (if it goes that far). The McCain /experience thing , the mocking of Obama in RI and the 3 AM ad look just like McCain/republican ads to me.

[Lilith Velkor]

59. Yeah, we know. Obama recycles old Republican ads and that's just fine

Hillary states a fact and you all go totally apeshit.

Keep up the double standard the media spoon feeds you, because they would never lie to you.

[AlinPA]

60. ?? Sorry, the McCain / experience statement and the 3AM ad was over the top for me.

My wife and daughter saw the mocking speech in RI on TV and both reacted the same way. Its Obama now for them.

[Lilith Velkor]

78. But the Harry/Louise redux and praising Reagan is just hunky-fuckin-dory, right?

Right. :eyes:

[AlinPA]

80. Those two things did not affect me as much as the mocking speech in RI.

That speech was arrogant and rude and affected our family the same way (my daughter and wife quit Hillary after viewing that). The McCain/experience thing put me over.

[Lilith Velkor]

81. That's called a double standard.

Y'all are welcome to it, but don't come crying to me when it's your ox getting gored.

[AlinPA]

83. I don't think I will. I know the term "disappointed" is used loosely in politics,

but in this case I (and my wife and daughter) were disappointed. We had Hillary bumper stickers and we were supporting her. One car still has one (mine).

[Catherina]

66. The media put that lie in her mouth?

:wow:

[Lilith Velkor]

77. What lie?

[Vinca]

36. Rachel Madow was on KO and she made the remark that

Hillary's comment is one that might be said if she was running to be McCain's vice president. Maybe she is.

[exaudi]

44. whaaaa???

And exactly HOW would GOP voters react to Hillary as VP-candidate? They already regard her as the Spawn of Satan. And that view is the only thing (other than a pulse) that I have in common with GOPers.

Still: I do expect her to pull some strange twist (anything to win something).
I mean - some HRC fanatics/organizers actually have been saying, "If the Dem-nomination doesn't work out, she should run as an independent!"
That would, of course, be the ultimate Rabid Sore Loser mode, and would spit in the party's face, screw up the election, and possibly deliver us to McCain (or, uh, Nader ...).
But what does she care? It's all about her.
Whether independent, or GOP, or dirty tricks -- there's NOTHING you can rule out when it comes to HRC.

[Eric J in MN]

46. Rachel Maddow only meant that the statement was inappropriate.

Hillary Clinton is not seeking to be McCain's VP, nor is McCain seeking her as VP.

[exaudi]

48. wishing

I wish I were joking when I said that some organizer-types were suggesting that she run as an independent.

But I wasn't.

[Vinca]

56. Well . . . . . . . duh.

Remember, I'm an Obama supporter and all the polls say we're the snooty, over educated, liberal elite. I figured Rachel's statement out all by myself.

[Eric J in MN]

57. My post was for people who didn't see the video of Rachel Maddow. NT

NT

[Vinca]

58. Sorry - I apologize for being bitchy. nt

[Hugabear]

45. Well, that's one way to guarantee McCain's defeat

If he were to choose Hillary as his running mate, Obama would win in a landslide. Rethugs won't vote for a ticket that includes Hillary, and many Democrats would spurn her as a traitor.

[soundguy]

40. Truth Bothers You Eh?

Obama hasn't even bothered to have a meeting in over a year for the committee he CHAIRS an oversight committee non the less. Give me a break, he should be back in state politics.

[geek tragedy]

50. It's true. She only cares about herself.

That's a conclusion that more and more people are reaching.

[totodeinhere]

51. If she says that McCain is qualified...

then maybe she should change party registrations. It's ridiculous that a major Dem candidate for prez would be pumping up the opponents' candidate. She should be ashamed.

[workinclasszero]

54. Hillary is working for the Rethug party now that she has no chance to

win the nomination. Why else does she keep moving the goalposts all the way to the convention?

It will only benefit McCain and she knows it.

[OnionPatch]

61. Oh yes, this is true. I just watched it.

After watching that filmclip, my Democrat husband just told me he won't vote for her in the general. Isn't it wonderful?

[superkia]

62. She is a puppet and partner to the elite and their agenda.

They wanted her as their first choice because they thought a D in office would put the American people back to sleep long enough to become the north american union, get rid of the constitution and continue forward with their agenda. Now that the people have been ignoring the media and picking Obama, their girl is going to make sure that if she cant steal it, their second choice McCain will get it. Problem with McCain is that too many Americans don't want another republican and it could cause some issues so I would imagine that Clinton is going to be the next president.

If we don't ban together as people, I am afraid that history will repeat itself once again.


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

[mmonk]

63. She's a mudslinger. If you're tired of that kind of politics,

work for change.

[Tom Rinaldo]

64. She never said "Qualified". Not once. She noted "lifetime of experience"

Clinton never said McCain was even qualified to be dogcatcher. She stated he is a seasoned veteran in politics. This is an electability argument, nothing more, nothing less. The correct comparison she was making is between rookies and veterans. Her facts are accurate. Obama is new to the national/international scene in politics - he has been around it for 3 years. Clinton has minimally been around it for 15 years and McCain longer.

The argument Clinton poses is that voters will feel more comfortable voting for another political veteran against McCain, rather than turning to a big leagues political rookie in the Fall.

Watch it again. I dare anyone to find a single comment Clinton made saying McCain was qualified. She said he was more experienced. Experience is afactor. Neither you nor I would likely choose a brain surgeon with little experiene operating, over one who had many years of prior experience if that was the basis presented for the choice. But if you found out that the "pro" was also a speed freak, you would not consider him or her more "qualified".

[Catherina]

67. Your explanation is just as delusional as Hillary is

Is there no spin too low?

[Tom Rinaldo]

68. Lets stick to actual words then. Where did Clinton say McCain is more qualified?

I think the spin starts when her actual words get twisted. That is pretty much the definition of spin.

[Catherina]

70. I didn't think so n/t

[Catherina]

65. I thought it was pretty clear

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know John McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

This is Hillary's answer to "How Much Damage Will Clinton Do Before She's Forced Out?"

She just lost the African American vote. We're kind of fond of good speeches that tell the truth.

[sunnystarr]

69. If Hillary's Rove tactics are successful

and the people fall for this once again, then not only won't I vote in the general election, I'll NEVER vote again!!

Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. "I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002." "....But building up St. McCain before the general isn't hardball -- it's really dumb. It's damaging to the Democratic brand and it's damaging to the Democrats' chances in the fall if Obama wins. But perhaps most importantly, it's damaging to Hillary's candidacy if she's the nominee because St. McCain has a lot more experience than she does." http://firedoglake.com/

Hillary will destroy the Democratic Party to win. That says it all. How can anyone here support that???

[Liberal Dose]

71. If Hillary had posted here at DU that McCain is better than Obama, her post would be deleted, and

she would be tombstoned. Too bad it wasn't a harmless post.

[Seeker30]

72. Why arent you Obama Dramas bitching about Obama worshipping Reagan?

Selective memory?

[npincus]

73. that's NOT what he asid...

he expressed no admiration for Reagan's policies, but spoke of his impact on his Party... and YOU KNOW IT.

[Lilith Velkor]

79. Hypocrisy, more like.

[AlertLurker]

74. The video you describe is CERTAINLY not the video I saw.

[oviedodem]

76. It is insulting to Obama on the low end of the spectrum and

using McCain to draw distinction is the worst part on the high end.

Hillary is trying to single handedly destroy the party.