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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:08 AM
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If neither candidate
Gets the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination, which is looking like what will happen, why should either of them drop out?

The popular vote will be within a couple of percentage points of each other and the delegate count will be within a hundred or so.

It's not right to call for one or the other to drop out if it's that close.

I'm voting for Clinton today, but if she was ahead by 100 delegates and a couple of percentage points of the popular vote, I would expect Obama to stay in until the convention.

It will be an exciting convention with the whole country watching and that can only be good for the Democratic party.

I guess my point is that I'm sick of calls for one or the other candidate to drop out of the race when it looks like neither of them will reach the delegate total to secure the nomination.

At this point, I'd like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket, but that's just me.

We get the best of both worlds. The policy wonk and more experienced on the world stage is in the big chair and the charismatic, not quite ready for prime-timer gets experience and the Veep job is all about being an ambassador and then he's in the bullpen for big chair.

I think with that ticket, we set ourselves up for 16 years of controlling the executive branch. Imagine how we can change this country for the better with the D's in charge for the next 16 years.

I think with an Obama/Clinton ticket, which I'm sure most here would prefer, we're not looking ahead to the long game. Can you imagine the make up of the Supreme Court after 16 years of D Presidencies?


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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:12 AM
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1. Exciting convention? It will be a forken bloodbath
that guarantees McCain will win in November.

The math isn't there with what's left in the primary season for either candidate to have the votes before the convention and in Hillary's case it is almost mathematically impossible for her to catch Obama no matter what she does today, barring an unforseen, gigantic blowout.

It will be 1968 all over again, maybe even with some bloody heads in the streets.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:36 AM
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2. I agree.
It will not be pretty.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:37 AM
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3. If They Are Essentially Tied The Supers Will Force Them To Share The Ticket
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:43 AM
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5. Yes, if they are essentially tied that's a possibility
but Hillary would have to do very well today and in every upcoming contest to tie it.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:46 AM
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6. If She Wins TX, OH, And RI Tonight
I suspect she will go on to win WV, KY, PN, and PR...

If she doesn't win OH (and) TX she's most likely done...
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:53 AM
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7. yeah, but she doesn't just have to win them
She has to clobber Obama by 20-30 points in Ohio and Texas and then clean his clock in PA to make up any significant ground. The numbers just aren't there for her to catch up in the remaining primaries after today.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:00 AM
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8. You Still Have FL and MI Outstanding
If she wins the states I mentioned she will go into the Convention within a hundred delegates or so of Obama...

She will also lay claim to the fact that she has won states that the Dems can not re-capture the White House without such as California, New Jersey, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida...

But if you think she can be denied a place on the ticket after winning approximately half the pop vote and half the delegates then there will be a blood bath in Denver...

That being said, she has to win OH and TX to lay any claim to the nomination...
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:18 AM
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9. denied a place on the ticket?
Do you really think it would work to have a ticket in which the candidates despised each other?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:30 AM
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11. Johnson And Kennedy Despised Each Other
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:41 AM
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4. You are sooo wrong.
Brokered Conventions are a disaster for the nominee who emerges. A long acrimonious fight and a brokered convention damage and compromise the nominee beyond redemption. And Hillary is not 100 votes behind in pledged delegates; she's 150+ behind. If she doesn't do extremely well today, the powers that be in the dem party will make it known to her that they will not support her at the convention. One doubts she'll stay in under those circumstances.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:25 AM
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10. Clinton needs to have huge wins today to make a dent in the
Obama delegate count and that's highly unlikely. I'm wondering - based on Bill Richardson's remarks yesterday - if superdelegates might gravitate toward the candidate with the highest delegate count in order to get this over with and onto the general election. Personally, I think it makes sense to extend the nomination right until the end. Democrats stay in the spotlight and McCain has no one to debate and nothing much to talk about. Of course, Hillary would have to quit writing commercials for the opposition. If she's going to continue down the road she's currently headed, we need to wrap it up before more damage is done.
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