Dems to Hillary: Please, please don’t go!

[Algorem]

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/04/dems-to-hillary-please-please-dont-go-plus-bonus-republican-polling/

If Hillary Clinton can eke out a win in either Texas or Ohio, a 2-1 majority of Democrats nationwide want her to remain in the race, according to a fresh ABC poll.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/story?id=4378906&page=1

The 29% who want her to withdraw if she doesn’t win both increases to 51% if she loses both. That doesn’t exactly give a ringing endorsement to Barack Obama, who may wonder why a 13-state win streak isn’t enough for 45% of Democrats:

Democrats by more than a 2-1 margin say Hillary Clinton should stay in the presidential race even if she loses either the Texas or Ohio primary on Tuesday. But if she fails in both, fewer than half say they’d want her to fight on.

Many, in that case, have another idea for Clinton: the vice presidency...

[yourguide]

1. Many also in the event HRC is forced out today

don't want her as VP, after all of the false attacks on the Obama camp would you want her on your team after that? I wouldnt.

[bigtree]

2. the polls don't show that. Most Democrats want her as VP, in that event

It's fun to make shit up, isn't it?

[yourguide]

3. What poll are you looking at

that shows that?


It's not fun to "make shit up", you might want to start by looking at many of the threads on this board that state many obama supporters dont want her.

[bigtree]

7. New WaPo poll

18. (ASKED OF LEANED DEMOCRATS) If Obama is the Democratic nominee for president, who would you like him to choose as his vice presidential running-mate?

3/2/08
Hillary Clinton 36
John Edwards 11
Other 8
Bill Richardson 3
Joe Biden 1
Al Gore 1
Wesley Clark *
Tom Daschle *
Ted Strickland *
Sam Nunn *
Mike Bloomberg *
Kathleen Sebelius *
Joe Lieberman *
Jim Webb *
Evan Bayh *
Colin Powell *
Chris Dodd *
Anthony Zinni *
It is up to him (vol.) 5
No opinion 34

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_030308.html

[high density]

31. Yeah and going with "the polls" in selecting a Veep worked out so well for Kerry

Obama/Clinton is like the Oil/Water ticket. Again we're back to name recognition polls, just like we started out with Hillary back in 2007.

[yourguide]

36. ROFL

So 64% of total voters did NOT choose her. Sorry, that doesnt make your point at all.

[bigtree]

53. oh yes it does. You can't find ANYONE Democratic voters want to see more

. . . than Hillary Clinton, as vice president.

I can't believe the tortured logic that goes on here.

[yourguide]

54. Are you joking?

HA!

Where is the overwhelming support here? 36% is the same as GWBs approval rating. OH STOP.

[bigtree]

57. Who has more support for that position than Hillary Clinton? No one.

No one. Your denial is pathetic.

[yourguide]

59. "No preference"

has almost as much support as HRC.

your denial is pathetic.

Hmmm, Your choices are HRC, A, B, C - Yeah, I dont really care at 34%

[bigtree]

62. She's leading all others listed. Not a small sample. And, MY denial??

You and the rest of the folks who regularly try and cast Hillary Clinton as some hated outcast have made a career of ignoring the will and support of the over 10 million Americans who've already voted for Hillary Clinton. Talk about denial.

[yourguide]

63. Like I said...

where is this OVERWHELMING support? 36%, with 34% not caring AT ALL doesnt say much.

[bigtree]

65. Like I said in my original post. 'most Democrats' want Hillary Clinton.

you're accountable for that adjective, not me.

[yourguide]

67. No, based on that poll

"most democrats" either want someone else or don't care.

[bigtree]

68. Hey, big list of folks, Hillary led them significantly. Deal with that.

Stew on it.

[yourguide]

70. I have "stewed" on it

and HRC was handily the biggest name on there, and still 64% chose someone else.

[bigtree]

21. 'shocked silence'

. . . could it really be that most Democrats don't see Hillary Clinton as the monster she's cast as here at DU?

[yourguide]

49. ohhh shocked silence?

from you I see. why is it if the public was clammoring for her as VP why didnt she get 40% on that poll? or 50%, or 60%, or 65%?

[bigtree]

56. Is there ANYONE you can find who polled higher than Hillary Clinton??

No, you can't. End of story.

[yourguide]

61. "No Preference"

Polled almost as high. so STOP.

[bigtree]

64. With no one even close to Sen. Clinton in that poll,

it's really not likely at all that it represents some opposition to Clinton. Even if that were so, most likely, the majority of that sample would be spread throughout the remaining choices

[Arkansas Granny]

39. I would imagine that the Obama supporters on this board

make up a very small portion of the Democrats in this country.

[yourguide]

42. Those poll number just spoke for themselves

64% of the voters did NOT choose her. If there was such overwhelming support for HRC as VP shouldnt she be at 50% at least, 60%, 65%???

[bigtree]

58. Those polls say that YOU can't find ONE single person who polls higher than Hillary Clinton

for that position.

It means that you're argument that Democrats don't want to see her as VP is full of shit.

[rodeodance]

17. thanks, i had not seen that.

[bigtree]

23. neither had the poor Obama supporter

. . . believing that DU's disgusting venom toward Hillary Clinton is a representation of the real world.

[catgirl]

71. It's a stupid ABC poll!!!

I've seen no evidence that "most democrats" want her to comtinue and/or be the VP.
She has already proven that she is difficult to work with. Obama will NEVER ask her
to be the VP. This poll is BOGUS.

[liberalnurse]

4. Like I have been saying, Obama and his minions have fractured the Democratic Base...

All these new voters better come back and vote in the General if Obama gets the nomination. Obama has fractured the Core Democratic votes and especially the woman vote and centrist Democratic vote.

Keep it up...........Go on, keep the GOP happy and do the work for them....but mark my words, you will have to GOTV, millions and millions of new ones, get them to the poll cause we, the core base voter, will probably skip that option on the ballot.

Hillary is in throught the convention. Soon, the media will vet the young prince.

[Medusa]

5. Obama has fractured the base? No dear, that's your beloved Clintons who have done that

they've race-baited. They've lied, twisted, distorted and are now pursuing a "scorched earth" policy which guarantees that if she does not win the nomination she's going to make sure that Obama is defeated in November with the help of the "anyone but Obama crowd". THAT is what splintering a party looks like and it's their fault, with the willing assistance of the Hillbots.

[flyarm]

14. bullshit..and it is Obama that has race baited..eom

[liberalnurse]

45. I hear that Jesse Jackson Jr. had some of his

thugs strong-arm Congressman John Lewis into switching his vote. I saw his announcement on TV and he resembled someone speaking to the media while being held captive for ransom!

John Lewis has been close to Ted Strickand, Stephanie Tubb-Jones and the Clintons for years.

He is a picture of John Lewis, Stephanie and Ted Strickland in Columbus, Ohio in 04!

[rodeodance]

48. I don't blame Lewis--the pressure had been just too great.

[BigDDem]

51. I do blame Lewis, be a man of your word

[rodeodance]

74. I do understand that sentiment--I actually do at times also. He should

have at least waited until after today--and Dodd should have also.
And Richardson should shut his trap!

[susankh4]

52. Yes he has

and, quite honestly... I will never forgive him for that.

Or his campaign for the bullying of African American Superdelegates.

Or the "Dem for a Day" fliers that went out in Nevada (and who knows where else.)

I may be a 32 year dem voter... and I may *want* to vote dem again in November 08. But, I am not interested in voting for bullies.

[rodeodance]

19. Obama has run a divisive campaign and has racialized this primary.

[liberalnurse]

29. Well let's see if Obama gets Ohio.

That is a real good test for ya.

I'll tell you now, the base won't follow the young anointed prince. You'll have to keep up this energy through November if he gets the nomination based upon all these new registered voters. Can you keep them entertained for 9 more months????

[mattclearing]

11. 12 more hours. n/t

[rodeodance]

26. Obama has "floundered in OHIO=Nafta & Rezko (only zogby has his tied)

The key demographic in that statement is independents – or at least it used to be. Party members no longer favor Hillary, as Obama now has a 10-point advantage among Democrats. Interestingly, ABC has Hillary leading among independents by two points. Otherwise, Obama owns most of the rest of the categories, including a whopping 22-point advantage among men. Clinton still leads by 10 among whites, and by 25 points among white women.

What does this mean for tonight? It means that the Hillary campaign has no reason to shut down after tonight, and it will extend her campaign to Pennsylvania at the very least. She leads in Ohio, maintaining an advantage there as Obama has floundered in the past few days over NAFTA and Rezko. Only Zogby shows Obama coming close, and that’s hardly the most reliable pollster in the business. All of the other polls have Clinton ahead outside the margin of error.

[Independent-Voter]

33. How can you flounder when you were behind 20% two weeks ago?

If anything, the fact that HRC blew 15-20% in 14 days shows much more flounderation.

[rodeodance]

38. you know he was doing better till his lies got out.

[mattclearing]

50. The only poll that matters is happening right now.

We'll talk when it's over. :)

[yourguide]

6. #4 cant see you

:hi:

[Taverner]

66. Two quotes: Keep your friends close, your enemies closer

and

Rather have them in the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in

[Divernan]

73. Imagine HRC in a debate between the VP candidates!

Getting all the shit thrown at her in the form of her own direct quotes trashing Obama.
How would that work for her?

[flyarm]

8. yes that would be the $$$paying dems..seems ole Obama has won in

alot of red small states that had open primaries..which means..there was cross over of repigs who see Obama as the easiest to beat..

and after the lies that have finally been exposed that the guy has told and after his presser that he came unglued in yesterday..the guy has finally gotten barely a taste of what is to come by the repigs....

Obamamammma..has gotten a free fucking ride for over a year..its about damn time he had to stand up to some real questions and what did he do..he went running!..now i know why the repigs want him..they will eat him alive!

and most real dems know historically..the young kids don't show up to vote in Nov..and if DU last night was any sign of things to come..where many mnay threads had obamaites saying they won't vote in Nov if Hillary is the candidate..i have no doubt the young ones won't show up..because these were the same ones spamming DU the week before doing Treads threatening many that they damn well better vote for Obama in Nov...

the Hypocracy among the obamaites..is astounding.

well maybe the adults are taking back the democratic party..and are a little bit fed up with Obamania..

fly

[geek tragedy]

9. Educated professionals and black people aren't adults?

Because that's Obama's base.

Disparage his base at this party's peril.

[flyarm]

12. they are a minority compared to the 18-24 yr olds! eom

[geek tragedy]

78. You apparently never learned basic math. n/t

[Binka]

46. Shouldn't The Adults Need To Spell Hypocrisy Correctly Before They Yell It

Hypocracy? And waving the wallet card? Jesus you are full of it fly. I spoke with my three grown children, all 20+ BTW last night and there is no wavering with them. You sound unhinged. The kids are fine, you, well that is a different matter. I never thought I would do this but you are on IGNORE. You have proven yourself to be boorish and garish at the same time. Kudos for the ending. Bye.

[mattclearing]

10. Poll shows 2-1 majority of Democrats polled can't do delegate math. n/t

[rodeodance]

13. hey sweetie--these are the REAL voters out there-sending a messge to dellies -get it!

[mattclearing]

18. 12 more hours. n/t

[bigtree]

16. They know enough to see that Obama can't get enough delegates for the nomination by votes cast alone

. . . and is hoping to get Sen. Clinton's delegates on the cheap

[mattclearing]

22. He's got a better shot than she does.

Her only hope is that Obama turns out to eat babies for breakfast or that the entire Democratic Party establishment will overrule their constituents in favor of someone who can't even beat a freshman senator. Good luck with that.

[bigtree]

25. or, it could be, that, they've had a chance to take a more critical look at both of their records.

good luck with that.

[mattclearing]

27. Talk to me in twelve hours. n/t

[rodeodance]

30. just remember--his lying about Nafta has dissed Ohio-esp union people

[mattclearing]

35. Time's almost up. n/t

[rodeodance]

32. and just remember--he has lost support in TX

[mattclearing]

34. 12 hours. n/t

[high density]

40. So, now are we going to re-vote all of the states?

That seems to be the argument being made by this "buyers remorse" balloon the Clinton team is floating.

[rodeodance]

43. seems like last minute voters in OH and TX are swinging to Hillary.

[mmonk]

20. Now that's a poll I could believe.

If this is protracted as the numbers get further away from her, I only see negatives and acrimony. Wish I could say otherwise.

[rodeodance]

47. It is sending a message to the Delegates--don't push her out

[Maribelle]

15. It seems Hillary is the only one that wants all Democrats to vote, and have their votes counted.

Why can't she stay in until the very end? She should!

[rodeodance]

28. This poll proves the ObamaDU members are NUTS (those who want to push her out)

[rodeodance]

24. "It means that the Hillary campaign has no reason to shut down after tonight,"

My guess is that race will go on.



.The key demographic in that statement is independents – or at least it used to be. Party members no longer favor Hillary, as Obama now has a 10-point advantage among Democrats. Interestingly, ABC has Hillary leading among independents by two points. Otherwise, Obama owns most of the rest of the categories, including a whopping 22-point advantage among men. Clinton still leads by 10 among whites, and by 25 points among white women.

What does this mean for tonight? It means that the Hillary campaign has no reason to shut down after tonight, and it will extend her campaign to Pennsylvania at the very least. She leads in Ohio, maintaining an advantage there as Obama has floundered in the past few days over NAFTA and Rezko. Only Zogby shows Obama coming close, and that’s hardly the most reliable pollster in the business. All of the other polls have Clinton ahead outside the margin of error.

[rodeodance]

37. Hillary Leading In Final TX Zogby Tracking Poll 47-44/Tied in Ohio 44-44

but as OP says--other polls give Hillary a slight edge in OHIO


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary Leading In Final TX Zogby Tracking Poll 47-44/Tied in Ohio 44-44
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4872014#4872014
4872014, Hillary Leading In Final TX Zogby Tracking Poll 47-44/Tied in Ohio 44-44
Posted by hnmnf on Mon Mar-03-08 11:26 PM

Developing...I'm listening to an mp3 from chron.com. All it says is that she is leading. It doesnt say the exact numbers, but just that she is leading within the MOE. He says Hillary is leading by 4 in early voting and by 3 in same day voting. He says that everything is tied in Ohio. Hillary is consolidating her Catholic support, while Obama is doing better in Cincinatti.
……………..

URL:
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1461


……How did she pull ahead? She clearly increased support among white men and Hispanic men, mostly based on her late campaign focusing on her fitness for military command. She also enjoys strong support from white and Hispanic women. One thing that could prove significant is that much of Obama’s recent advances in the Houston area seem to have dissipated.

“Among those in Texas who were just making up their minds in the last few days, Hillary now leads by four percent, which pretty much tells the story.”********

[rodeodance]

41. Hillary-gaining in TX--among those whose who have made up minds last few days

“Among those in Texas who were just making up their minds in the last few days, Hillary now leads by four percent, which pretty much tells the story.”********

[rodeodance]

44. "much of Obama’s recent advances in the Houston area seem to have dissipated."

[greguganus]

55. Please Hillary ride off into the eastern sunrise back to NY. n/t

[rodeodance]

75. You did not get the memo---she said she your in PA

[Raffi Ella]

60. ya' damn right I think she should stay!

Neither one of them will have the magic number needed to win the nomination;they'll both need to state their case to the super's in order to GET to that number.

I say as important as The Presidency IS?That we need the most qualified to get that nomination AND that BECAUSE Democrats are voting for Hillary in higher percentages han they are for Barack that THAT is another reason why SHE should get OUR nomination.

thanks for posting,I am so relieved to know he public supports her like this.



:kick:

[Hepburn]

69. This Dem to Hillary:

Go, get lost, scram, drop out, leave, vamoose, split, bu-bye!

[elixir]

72. K

[HeraldSquare212]

76. Same poll: 50% of Dems and Dem-leaning Independents want Obama as nominee, 43% Clinton

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/04/ST2008030400004.html

-snip-

At the general-election level, half of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents across the country would like to see Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) as the party's presidential candidate; 43 percent would rather Hillary Clinton be the nominee.

Obama's edge is built on strong support among the types of voters who have lifted him to 11 consecutive wins since Super Tuesday. Eight in 10 African Americans want Obama to be the party's standard-bearer, as do about two-thirds of younger voters and those seeking a candidate offering a new direction and new ideas. Nearly six in 10 men and 45 percent of women support Obama, putting him roughly on par with Clinton among women. White women and older voters preferred Clinton by wide margins.

And in a twist, Obama has the edge among mainline Democrats, who prefer him over Clinton by 10 percentage points. While losing to Clinton among Democrats in most states holding their caucuses or primaries through Feb. 5, Obama has won the party faithful in the four post-Super Tuesday contests that had a network exit poll.

-snip-

[NastyRiffraff]

77. It's unbelievable that in the closest, most exciting primary race in recent memory...

There are those who are demanding one candidate drop out.

The fact is, voters are showing that by and large, they like BOTH candidates. Sure, there are some who srongly support one or the other, but I would guess the majority of Americans aren't nearly as one-sided as, say, DU posters.

The fact that many are switching to Hillary at the last minute may well mean that they really want her to stay in the race; they want to see this play out and want to take a closer look at the candidates. The other explanation for late-switchers is less flattering to Obama...fear of potential buyer's remorse. Personally I think it's more the "play out" scenario and less the "buyer's remorse." Or it could be a combination of the two, along with other factors.

[ProSense]

79. Wow, you linked to on of the worst wingnut sites to prove your point!

Why?