Quit Blaming Hillary

[NJmaverick]

It's not her fault she endorsed McCain over Obama

It's not her fault she has photoshopped Obama to look blacker than he is, in the ads she has run.

It's not her fault she has engaged in the same fear mongering we attack the Republicans for.

It's not her fault that she implied that maybe Obama is a Muslim

It's not her fault she told the press to attack Obama.



See people Hillary is a saint, nothing she does is her fault. If you think otherwise, you are a sexist who is picking on Hillary just because she is a woman.

[King Coal]

1. Gee, how clever. I hate the primaries.

[durrrty libby]

2. It's not your fault you guzzle the Kook-Aid for Fake Messiah

[NJmaverick]

5. Hillary? Is that who you are speaking of?

Don't worry I see all her faults, you are incapable of seeing.

[0007]

63. ....and you carry a white cane also, huh?

[OhioBlue]

57. wow - what an original thought . Maybe you should look

in the mirror.

[Abacus]

3. I noticed that too...

"It's not her fault she has photoshopped Obama to look blacker than he is, in the ads she has run."

[K Gardner]

4. I feel so sorry for Hillary. She is truly a victim of the evil people around her. Pity, pity.

[NJmaverick]

6. That's sort of the george bush question

Is george bush evil or is it the people that surround him? Seems the same can be said of Hillary.

[Window]

7. Yeah, poor Hilly.

I wish she'd take her marbles and go home.

[Voice for Peace]

60. I don't feel the least bit sorry for her. She chooses her own company

and she chooses her own really low tactics.

[NJmaverick]

62. That's true for Bush and for Hillary

You pick and choose who you are going to go into the campaign with.

[niceypoo]

8. This is the most paranoid thread Ive seen today

Who needs religious wackos and conspiracy theories when you have Obamites?

You left out, 'the sky is falling!!!'

[NJmaverick]

10. Ah another St. Hillary can do no wrong, DUer

Sad little group, that is going mess up our Nation BIG TIME.

[underpants]

16. It is the best summary I have seen

saying that she has run a bad campaign doesn't cover it she is a nightmare and a disaster all roll into one package.

This post was edited so as not to offend anyone with the ASSHOLE word (that is the nongender specific description of someone behaving like SHE is)

[Justyce]

9. I'll be glad when this type of post is considered flamebait again & not allowed.

:eyes:

[NJmaverick]

12. I'll be glad when Hillary is no longer hurting the Democratic party

I suspect you are simply not happy that St. Hillary is actually being held accountable for her actions.

[Justyce]

13. Do you hold Obama accountable for his? Neither is blameless in this mess. nt

[NJmaverick]

14. Do I hold Obama accoutable for being Black?

Or that he has been around Muslims?

That he hasn't endorsed McCain over Clinton?

That he hasn't engaged in fear mongering?

Sorry but the old Republican cry of "they all do it" so you can't hold my candidate responsible, isn't going to cut it.

[Justyce]

15. Um, I believe this issue was holding them accountable for THEIR ACTIONS.

Good grief........

[NJmaverick]

22. Not many "actions" to hold Obama accountable for

Unlike Hillary he has conducted a relatively honorable campaign.

[Saturday]

18. Actually it's you who's hurting the Democratic party with threads like this. n/t

[NJmaverick]

23. So pointing out someone trying to bring down the party

Hurts the party? Oh wait you must be from the St Hillary, who isn't to blame" crowd.

[Obamanaut]

37. Almost any pro (insert name) has become flame bait. nt

[shrub chipper]

43. I'll be glad

when it's unacceptable for a Democratic candidates almost endorse a Republican over their Primary foe,

[Apollo11]

11. "she implied that maybe Obama is a Muslim"?

Hillary Clinton on CBS - 60 Minutes - March 2nd, 2008 (my transcript)

KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?

HILLARY: Of course not. I mean that's, you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

KROFT: You said you take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.

HILLARY: Right. Right.

KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim?

HILLARY: No. No. Why would I? There's no ... No. There's nothing to base that on - as far as I know.

KROFT: It's just scurillous ...

HILLARY: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumours. I have a great deal of sympathy for anyone who gets, you know, smeared by the kind of rumours that go on all the time.


You can see the whole video here:
www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3897988n

The part about Obama's religion is all in the final 3 minutes.

Hillary's answer is very clear and absolutely truthful.

The problem with this whole discussion is that it confirms and underlines the widely-held prejudice that there is something wrong with being a Muslim.

As if being a Muslim would somehow make a person "less American" than a Christian or a Jew or an Agnostic or an Atheist/Humanist/Rationalist.

If you ask me, I think Hillary should have said "Well, as far as I know, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. Not that there's anything wrong with that!" B-)

[jakem]

19. yeah, lets spin that one again shall we?

Hillary Clinton on CBS - 60 Minutes - March 2nd, 2008 (my transcript)

KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?

HILLARY: Of course not. I mean that's, you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

KROFT: You said you take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.

HILLARY: Right. Right.

KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim?

HILLARY: No. No. Why would I? There's no ... No. There's nothing to base that on - as far as I know.

KROFT: It's just scurillous ...

HILLARY: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumours. I have a great deal of sympathy for anyone who gets, you know, smeared by the kind of rumours that go on all the time.


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not exactly upfront and honest, is it?

[NJmaverick]

24. She should have agressively ATTACKED the question

Instead she gave a half hearted "oh I believe him" type answer.

[Apollo11]

39. When was the last time Obama aggressively attacked a question?

If Hillary tried that kind of approach in a TV interview, Obama supporters here on DU would be among the first to accuse her of "losing it".

[NJmaverick]

45. Sadly McCain was far better at disputing these kinds of issues

Than Hillary was.

[Apollo11]

34. Hillary believes what Obama says about his beliefs

That's what "I take him on the basis of what he says" means.

As far as she knows - there is NO basis for believing that Obama is a Muslim.

What the heck is wrong with that? :eyes:

When will they start asking Obama about Hillary's religious beliefs?

[elixir]

17. Boohoo, boohoo, boohoo, boohoo, boohoo, boohoo, booho.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[NJmaverick]

27. Why don't I see this response

When all your fellow St Hillary people WHINE about sexism. WHINE that it's not fair that people are attacking her for her actions? Oh wait, just like George Bush and his supporters, you motto is- DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO

[seabeyond]

20. i have stayed out of this room and primary race. since yesterday so SURPRISED

at what i have read concerning hillary and how her supporters are handling these issues. it is so reminiscent to the republicans with georgie boy. this is becoming lessons for my two young boys and my niece (whose father is a foxs news watchin republican) and i am showing them the similarities to hillary and say limbaugh telling republicans to be dishonest and vote clinton to oust obama out of primary. and how NO ONE, no republican is saying, hey rush, that is wrong.

hillary or her people darken a photo and all that is wrong in that, and still not a single hillary supporter has the balls to say, you know, i am going to support her, BUT.... that is wrong.

[NJmaverick]

29. It's a tough lesson to teach

One would like to think the Dems are better than that. It's tough to see one of our own behave as bad as Bush and Co.

[seabeyond]

40. just a lesson. not hard to see or learn or embrace. how we grow.

but i am not one to ignore.

my children were in a private christian school with 2004 election, living in religious belt, panhandle of texas and were given this lesson repeatedly. i can say, that what it has given my children in insight and not going with crowd blindly, i have appreciated the lessons afforded to children over last couple years. has been valuable to me as a parent.

[Kokonoe]

21. I heard what she said, and she did not endorse McCain

"I know senator McCain has a life time of experience that he will bring to the white house."

It was a concession speech.

[NJmaverick]

30. She was endorsing McCain

There is no other way to spin it. Well unless you are part of the St. Hillary crowd.

[leftynyc]

38. You hear what you want to hear

I heard that Obama doesn't have experience - that's all I heard. Nothing about an endorsement but keep pushing dems away from your candidate. It'll help in November.

[NJmaverick]

44. Why mention McCain?

Why mention him in a positive manner???

[leftynyc]

46. Are you going to try and tell me

that Sen. Obama has never said a positive word about McCain? Is that what your argument is?

[NJmaverick]

48. Not in the context of Hillary

That's the key. I don't think your spin is working.

[Skidmore]

25. She's the quintessential victim and hugs that role closely.

[NJmaverick]

32. Yeah why does everyone want to hold her accountable?

How could they be that mean?

[Adelante]

35. She is the victim/attacker

It's a complicated role.

[NJmaverick]

36. It's not unlike an internet troll

Who gets everyone fired up, and then cries that everyone is picking on them.

[democrat2thecore]

26. You are right. When the Bush admin. does something we ALWAYS say it is HIM so....

Why shouldn't the same apply to the Hillary Clinton campaign?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I Have Been In Publishing/Graphics For Over Twenty Years

Sometimes subjects appear darker ...Sometimes they appear lighter...

But whatever...

[NJmaverick]

33. Yeah that's it, everything bad she did

it was all an innocent little accident.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. If You Believe She Intentionally Made Him Look Darker There Is Nothing I Can Do To Disabuse You Of

That Notion...

I'm looking at a photo book of Muhammad Ali that I have....There are literally hundreds of photos...In some of them he appears light black... In some he appears medium black... And in some he appears dark black... As someone who has actually met I him I can attest he's light to medium black....

But believe what you want...It's the lighting and the reproduction...

[NJmaverick]

42. Considering her past action

What can you point to? What can you show me, to say that she wouldn't sink that low?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Everybody Knows What Obama Looks Like

How does she benefit by making him darker than he is...

Why are we even discussing it?

Who cares what his hue is?

[NJmaverick]

49. Would that same reasoning apply

If the Obama people photoshoped some extra wrinkles and some age spots on Hillary? Sorry that's nothing but more spin.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I Don't Accept Your Premise That The Video Was Photoshopped To Make Him Appear Darker So Your Point

Is Moot...

[zulchzulu]

53. You have to darken video. It's not done on a printer. Different worlds altogether...

I do plenty of print and plenty of video.

With print, it depends on printer you use as well as all the print parameters involved in the process.

Video, however, is purely in the digital domain and the only way you make video darker is to use darkening filters. Compression schemes that would be applied to video NEVER have darkening attributes involved. That is ALWAYS with the filtering capability of video software.

The Clinton campaign hired a vendor that decided to darken Obama. Someone is responsible for that.

[Hepburn]

31. Kick and K&R!

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

50. wait a minute...I think you're being sarcastic.

[zulchzulu]

51. It's not her fault that she found out about Obama's kindergarten paper

:puke:

[Beacool]

54. She made Obama look blacker than he is in her ad?????

Calling Bellevue, we have a patient for you.......

What a load of crap!!!!!!


:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

55. Yeah that's right Hillary NEVER does anything bad

and if she does it's not her fault!

[LostinVA]

56. Flamebait

:puke:

[NJmaverick]

58. Sadly Hillary's own words would be classified as "flamebait"

That pretty much says it all, about the person you support.

[LostinVA]

59. *yawn*

Aren't you going to call Hillary supporters Freepers again?

[NJmaverick]

61. They ACT like Freepers

They are not freepers. Why do you think Rush is telling everyone to vote Hillary?

[SeaLyons]

64. Every statement you

have made in your post is false. Every single one!!!

[NJmaverick]

65. Really? I guess you proved me wrong

You Hillary supporters do see her bad behavior.