Worst.Kick.In.The.Face----I log on and see HRC preferring McCain

[NoFederales]

over fellow Democrat Obama.............First, I have never been a fan of the Clinton's, primarily for their collusion in pursuing Republican-Lite policies as viable stategies. Secondly, I cannot abide the Democratic or Republican whoring with corporate dominionists. I have been in despair and heartsick since Edwards dropped out of the race. But to see the Democratic Party EXLODE because of a candidate that cannot follow rules, who cannot project her qualifications as superlatives, who must engage in total negativity of attacking a rival nominee hopeful, and whose EGO is so huge that she would delve into the lowest of stinking garbage and present McCain as a "better" suited man than Obama----I have been kicked to the curb and told what a POS I am by the Clinton Campaign.

ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! I can take no more shit from the Clinton Candidacy! NO MORE SHIT!

NoFederales

[LeftCoast]

1. She didn't say she preferred McCain no matter how many times you guys lie about it

So sad...but whatever gets your guy over the finish line, right?

[K Gardner]

2. What did she say then? Its not just "us". All the print media and MSM are reporting this. So maybe

Hillary supporters can set everyone straight on what Hillary REALLY meant, as far as you know, of course.

[LeftCoast]

5. If she said it then quote it.

You can't because she didn't.

[meow mix]

63. Heres a video of the Backstabbing Judas Hillary. this is ^$#$@ing plenty

your girl is a traitor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw&eurl=

[GodlessBiker]

80. Holy shit! I hadn't seen that. She is a traitor.

[goclark]

3. Right ! I have a bridge in New York to sell you

"Not that I know of"

"McCain has experience, I have experience, Barack had a speech."

I will NEVER vote for her or her twin McCain!

[LeftCoast]

7. You are just looking for reasons to hate

That's really pitiful.

[goclark]

11. Don't have to look at anything but my TV to see her back stabbing

The pundits are running her slimy insults to a fellow Democrat that has worked day and night to bring young and new voters to this process.

That is wrong!

Wrong to show them politics as usual ~ America should be better than that ~

[LeftCoast]

14. It's sad you can't see how colored your perception is by years of rw propaganda

Obama has done a great job of tapping into that. He'll be on the receiving end soon enough if he wins the primary. I have to admit, I'm not going to feel a lot of sympathy for him after this campaign.

[elixir]

24. "day and night" "young and new" = finally working/voters who won't turn out in November

[mattclearing]

15. Take a hard look at your candidate.

She's willing to destroy the party and permanently damage the likely nominee in order to get a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination.

If you want to see pitiful, you should check the mirror. Hillary is a disgrace.

[LeftCoast]

18. Take a look at what you just wrote

There are absolutely no facts in there whatsoever. It is all emotion-driven response.

Sad sad sad.

[mattclearing]

23. You haven't posted a single fact in this thread yet, and you denied the obvious fact

that Hillary favorably compared McCain's experience to Obama's. Not a team player.

[LeftCoast]

26. I denied that she made that quote and nobody has proven me wrong

No mater what words you try to put in my mouth.

[mattclearing]

47. This quote?

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House, I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House, and Senator Obama has a speech that he gave in 2002."

A lifetime of experience? Is she counting her Goldwater girl days? How about the last time she tried to fix the healthcare system? Trying to portray her vote for the IWR as a vote for diplomacy, like somehow she couldn't see Bush and Cheney frothing at the mouth to get at Saddam? People are dead now, and it's because, as she claimed in a recent debate, she took President Bush at his word.

That's the kind of experience we can all do without.

[LeftCoast]

51. No, I'm looking for the quote where she says she prefers McCain to Obama

[mattclearing]

94. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that. n/t

[stillcool]

52. I thought this was all over the place by now..

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/01/politics/fromtheroad/entry3896372.shtml

March 1, 2008, 5:34 PM
Clinton Says She and McCain Offer Experience, Obama Offers Speeches
Posted by Fernando Suarez| Comments17


(CBS)

From CBS News' Fernando Suarez:

FORT WORTH, TEXAS -- Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumtive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric. “I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.” Clinton was referring to Obama’s anti-war speech he delivered in Chicago before entering the United States Senate.

Criticism has been leveled towards Clinton as well, though, especially her claim that she is ready to be the commander-in-chief on "day one." When asked at the press conference if she could name a particular instance in her past that equips her to deal with a national security crisis, Clinton balked, saying, “Well, I was involved in a lot of the decisions that were made. Again, you are looking at it from the wrong perspective,” Clinton said. “You know, no one who hasn’t been president has done that, so that’s not the right question. The question is, what have you done over the course of that lifetime to equip you for that moment?”
Texas voters will go the polls on Tuesday to give her the answer.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/01/politics/fromtheroad/entry3896372.shtml

[LeftCoast]

56. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I see no mention in that quote of Clinton preferring McCain.

:shrug:

[stillcool]

62. yeah...I know...

She just prefers the experience of John McCain when choosing a candidate, over the speech in 2002 made by Obama. I guess she's not aware of Obama's experience, but is quite happy with McCain's. Go figure.

[LeftCoast]

65. She prefers McCain? I'm still waiting to see where she said that.

[stillcool]

69. Tell me...

what do you think she meant?

[LeftCoast]

70. No. You guys made an accusation you couldn't support

I'm not getting drawn into this any more.

[stillcool]

75. No. I replied several..

times what I interpreted her words to be. I am not 'you guys'. If you disagree with my interpretation, tell me where I am wrong. Does she not value the experience of John McCain to be President, over the experience, and character of a fellow Democrat?

[cali]

93. She didn't say that, but she did say that she and McCain are qualified

to be President and Obama isn't. That couldn't be clearer. I don't see it as that big a deal, but it was not a wise comment.

[JAbuchan08]

95. aaaahhhhh. I see, so you admit McCain is "qualified" to be president

and Barak Obama is not.

I wonder, exactly *what* experience makes McCain better than Barak? The stuff people trash about him every day on Du? Yeah, right.

[shrub chipper]

48. It doesn't take much looking

to see reprehensible things from Hillary.

I am disappointed in her . Democrats deserve better.

[LeftCoast]

57. Really. Then you should have no trouble providing the quote.

I'll just wait over here....

[shrub chipper]

88. Are you truly that dense?

What else does that clip mean? Is she that tone deaf ?

[slay]

10. She may not have used those EXACT words, but that's sure what it sounded like

to me. Please explain to me what she meant then. She has constantly compared her "experience" to Obama's - but this time she SERIOUSLY implied that McCain would be a better president than Obama. In my opinion, it was a sick, underhanded move which I do not think will help her -equating herself with John McCain - and can only hurt Obama in the eyes of independents should he win the Dem nomination. Personally, I don't like either one of them. But Hillary may have just made up my mind for me. I know I am not alone in feeling this way. :shrug:

[babylonsister]

12. She inferred it; here's a video from CNN; and the m$m is noticing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x100727

[LeftCoast]

22. She didn't say it and you guys are putting words in her mouth - Again.

[workinclasszero]

13. Bullshit! Heres the proof!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

Lets see Hillary and her bots try to lie their way out of this!

[LeftCoast]

21. Nowhere in that vid does she say she prefers McCain

You are just spinning.

[Arkansas Granny]

34. You are trying to use logic and reason on this crowd and

unfortunately, it has no effect on some people. They would rather believe something damaging about Hillary than to admit the truth.

[LeftCoast]

42. Yep, leftover caveman instincts. Those not in my tribe must be bad and evil.

[workinclasszero]

36. Hillary is done in with her own words and actions.

She is a spent force in the democratic party.

Hopefully after she loses to Obama and he wins the Presidency in a landslide, she will get a serious challenge to her Senate seat from a progressive ally of Obama.

Hillary is a dinosaur from a bygone era that doesn't realize she is headed toward extinction.

She will get the picture soon.

[ClassWarrior]

39. Doesn't matter what she says. Matters how she's perceived.

But that campaign has been so tone deaf, it doesn't surprise me that you doubt that.

NGU.

[anigbrowl]

90. She doesn't have to say the word 'prefer' for her meaning to be clear

She knows perfectly well that if Obama is the nominee, her quote will be used over and over by the Republicans.

Somehow I suspect a lot of her loyal defenders will have disappeared by then, though.

[truebrit71]

32. Yes she did. Read her own words.

Disgusting...there are no depths to which this despicable woman will sink to further her own agenda...

[LeftCoast]

38. Really? Please show me the quote.

:shrug:

[truebrit71]

92. Here you go...

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say. He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

Nice huh? :eyes:

[Lerkfish]

45. Not an endorsement of mccain, but a slam against a fellow dem WHILE lifting up a republican.

no matter what else you can say about it, its strategically unsound, and doesn't even benefit HER if she is the nominee. She's provided an excellent soundbite for the mccain campaign to use.

[LeftCoast]

50. It's not a critique I would have used, but it is a far cry from what some Obama folks are claiming

I still stand by my original statement.

[Blue_Roses]

59. bingo!

this explains it perfectly:

"...a slam against a fellow dem WHILE lifting up a republican"

Gergen was talking about this last night on Anderson Cooper. He's said you just don't do that and then expect to unify the party if she gets the nomination.

[soundguy]

49. Obama "lying and Distorting Our Way To The Presidency" n/t

[goletian]

86. whatever gets this her to the finish line, right?

she juxtaposed herself to mccain in a favorable way and then attacked obamas experience. its doesnt get anymore clear than that. she might have been trying to make her own case, but it was framed horribly. whenever obama compares mccain to anyone, its in a way that is unfavorable to mccain, hillary has done the opposite because shes so self centered.

[moobu2]

4. Only thing is...it isn’t true.

[Deep13]

6. So sorry, you're not allowed to question anti-Clinton paranoia.

:evilfrown:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. BAHHHHHHH ROARRRRRRR SNARFFFFF GARBLE GARBLE ROARRRRRR!!!!!!

[slay]

16. What was the point of posting a reply like that?

What did that add to the discussion?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. Accuracy. n/t

[slay]

27. Nevermind - I guess you are not here to actually disccuss things

This is why I sadly stay away from DU and politics in general these days. It's so ugly and corrupt with so much infighting over Obama and Hillary. Sigh.. whatever. :(

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. I Generally Won't Put Effort Into Discussin Batshit Insane OP Topics.

You probably shouldn't either.

[slay]

41. This topic seem perfectly legitimate to me - was talked about on Keith Olberman last night.

But that's fine. No worries. This is going to sink her no matter what her intentions were unfortunatly. I highly doubt she'll even still be running when I FINALLY get to vote in MAY. Stupid primary schedule.. bah.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. BAHHHHHHH ROARRRRRRR SNARFFFFF GARBLE GARBLE ROARRRRRR!!!!!!

[slay]

54. Yes.. very clever.. your bring a lot to the discussion..

:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. Like I Said: I Bring Accuracy. n/t

[elixir]

28. Hmmm, you sig indicates you care about honesty - where's the honesty in BO's campaign lies..

about the NAFTA memo. But of course he can't take the pressure and leaves the room.

It's all about integrity, respect, honesty, decency, open mindedness, fairness, and genuine desire to wish good upon all. That is why I'm a liberal.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. Ummmmmm, What Is Your Malfunction?

I had some tough words about the Obama campaign lies yesterday, and mocked comments all day trying to wipe the memo under the rug.

I'm on your side rhetorically speaking, but I'd ask that you pay a little more fucking attention before posting such bullshit to me.

[durrrty libby]

9. Go get another nice big glass of Kook-Aid

[underpants]

17. She is acting like a .............. (ooh you really want to know what word I am gonig to use).....

an ASSHOLE and a DICK

[rodeodance]

19. Your first mistake was to BELIEVE the idiots who have spread this LIE-think for yourself.

[Dhalgren]

30. You've gotta be kidding, right?

"Think for yourself" is not exactly the Obama campaign mantra, now, is it? And if it ain't chanted by Obama and his campaign, it ain't gonna be spoken by his followers...

[rodeodance]

73. yes--silly me---Think yourself is NOT a principle for the Obamafans!

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[slay]

31. See my #10 reply to this thread.

n/t

[Beacool]

29. Calm down, you're overreacting!!!

Hillary never said that she preferred Mc Cain to Obama. She stated that she and McCain had the most experience. Therefore, she would be better suited to face McCain in the GE. That was it, there was no need for the outrage and chest pounding that so many did here all day yesterday.

[workinclasszero]

37. I'm sure Hillary's close friend John McCain will use

this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

in a campaign commercial against Obama in the fall.

Hillary's traitorous words will be heard over and over.

Thanks sooo much Hillary!:sarcasm::puke:

[Buzz Clik]

40. Rachel Maddow: "These are things you say when you're vying to become McCain's VP selection."

Indeed. Enough.

[slay]

46. That's how I felt as well. Sorry HIllary supporters - but your candidate screwed up big time

Whether she meant it to or not, it looked really, really bad in the eyes of many. Perhaps she should give a bit more thought into the exact words she uses to attack Obama next time. :shrug:

[shrub chipper]

53. agreed

she fucked up and they won't admit it

[marions ghost]

43. I agree--it is insulting

to the rest of us Dems to have to witness the anointed one (who has had her way paved for months) sucking up to McCain and throwing Obama under the bus --in the same sentence. It's the juxtaposition that gives her away. Also the use of the definite word "will" (as in McCain WILL bring a lifetime of experience to the White House"...will?!? :wtf: WILL?

With Edwards out, I'm for Obama. He may have slightly less of that august "experience" but he has more wisdom.

Hillary--shrewd as a fox, but with all that experience, not very wise.

[Tom Rinaldo]

55. ENOUGH! ENOUGH! ENOUGH! of this stupid fake issue

Show me one quote of Clinton saying she prefers McCain to Obama. Show me one quote of Clinton saying McCain is "better suited" to be President than Obama. They don't exist. Just like an endorsement of Obama over Clinton doesn't exist. It never happened. It will never happen.

NO MORE BULLSHIT!

[workinclasszero]

64. Ask and you shall receive

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[meow mix]

66. Here is the Video of a Traitor watch it for yourself..

she's the Betrayer

[Tom Rinaldo]

68. I saw it

You are lying and smearing her through your dishonesty. Clinton never said McCain was even qualified to be dogcatcher. She stated he is a seasoned veteran in politics. This is an electability argument, nothing more, nothing less. The correct comparison she was making is between rookies and veterans. Her facts are accurate. Obama is new to the national/international scene in politics - he has been around it for 3 years. Clinton has minimally been around it for 15 years and McCain longer.

The argument Clinton poses is that voters will feel more comfortable voting for another political veteran against McCain, rather than turning to a big leagues political rookie in the Fall.

Watch it again. I dare anyone to find a single comment Clinton made saying McCain was qualified. She said he was more experienced. Experience is a legitimate factor. Neither you nor I would likely choose a brain surgeon with little experiene operating, over one who had many years of prior experience if that was the basis presented for the choice. But if you found out that the "pro" was also a speed freak, you would not consider him or her more "qualified".

[stillcool]

72. Is proximity to

the White House 'experience'? Is sleeping in the bed when the phone rings 'experience'? Is legislative work not?

[Tom Rinaldo]

76. First, you are changing the topic. Which is good actually

...since now we are on the actual topic that Clinton was talking about, not fake outrage over a total fabrication about Clinton prefering or endorsing McCain for President.

You conveniently neglect the fact that Hillary Clinton has been elected to the U.S. Senate twice, she's been there 7 years and Obama only 3 years in the middle of his firwt term. If you lop off a year from each of them due to the type of campaigning they have done this year that Obama admits has kept him from holding a single session of his Foreign Affaris sub-committee on Europe, then Hillary has been in the U.S. Senate 3 times longer than Obama. She's been there longer than John Edwards ever was also.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to running for President of the United States, time spent representing a single district in Chicago as one out of many State legislators doesn't impress me as terribly relelvent.

For the record I have known many husband wife professional partnerships; some formal, some informal. In the latter the husband has the lead title but the wife does a lot more than have sex with him. Have you seen any of the video of Hillary Clinton delivering a speech to the entire Chinese communist leadership while she was in China, calling them out on a long check list of horrific abuses of women that that leadership tolerated in that nation? That was an act of real courage. I don't buy the line that Hillary just played wifey and white house hostess. And the thing is, neither does the American public. And that is the real and final point.

[stillcool]

82. I do not believe I was changing the subject...

Your views of 'experience' can differ from mine. I have no idea how the American public views 'experience', but some of those American people that I do know, value other experience than what you deem qualifies. If Mrs. Clinton values the experience of John McCain, she as well as you, are entitled to that opinion. Pardon me, if I disagree both with that opinion, and Mrs. Clinton's lauding of John McCain to make her 'experience' point.

[JAbuchan08]

96. I just recommended your post

wait.... I can't actually do that.

[writes3000]

84. SHE SAID OBAMA'S ONLY EXPERIENCE WAS A SPEECH

The man has been working for over 20 years as a politician and she said the only experience that he could bring to the White House is a speech.

Speech compared to a LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE.

What thinking person would even question which person she was implying was more qualified? You are defending semantics when the facts are staring all of us in the face.

She ABSOLUTELY implied McCain was more qualified.

PS - George Bush Sr. was more experienced that Bill Clinton. Maybe Hillary should have DIMINSHED his qualifications down to just one speech. Pathetic.

[oviedodem]

60. Bringing up McCain as a mirror to yourself in order to draw distinction

between you and the your rival as a democrat is PATHETIC!!!!

This is why it is a gross remark and bet your bottom dollar that BO is going to stump this after today.

[Ordr]

61. "HRC preferring McCain over fellow Democrat Obama"

Her selfishness is both obvious and vulgar.

[GoldieAZ49]

67. there are plenty of dems that prefer McCain over Obama in the GE

experience will make a difference

I don't understand why you are shocked that a candidate that runs on experience favors a President with experience.

[slay]

78. From what I understand, 92% of Democrats are against the war, yet McCain would keep us there

So I really don't see too many Dems picking McCain over Obama. lol. Also 77% of Independents are against the war. Getting out of Iraq will save TONS of money, and many people say the economy is their #1 issue. If a Democrat picks McCain the scumbag over Hillary or Obama, then I do not really think they are Democrats. Just my opinion.

[GoldieAZ49]

81. none of them are going to "get out of Iraq" not possible

and if you look at their words H & O have phrased it very carefully, based on what is happening on the ground... embassy security, al Queda presence, etc.

The majority of the country is against LOSING in Iraq, and rightly so.

If we just pull out all troops and leave Iraq it will create a vacuum there that will be devastating to the USA and the middle east. Iran is just waiting for an opportunity and has been sending insurgents into Iraq. We did that once already in Afghanistan, helping them drive out Russia and then left without helping them set up a government after years of war. This is how bin Laden came to power there.

Americans, including moderate Democrats do not want to see that happen again. All three candidates know this, listen to their words.

[slay]

83. Invading Iraq was illegal and a terrible abuse of power by Bush. Are we the world police now?

Or should we, oh i dunno, maybe fix our problems HERE before we go "spreading democracy" (wink, wink) to other countries? All that money WASTED in Iraq and you want to keep doing it? Sheesh. Maybe we do deserve to lose. Instead of wasting all that money in Iraq (and lining the pockets of Haliburton and defence contractors - read Gen. Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket") we could have provided every American with health care, fixed our decaying public school system, and many other things that need to be taken care of here, in America. The longer we stay over there, the more national debt we leave to our children, and their children, etc. We are the ones who armed Iraq and Iran anyways back under Reagan. Oh well, whatever. World is going to shit anyways. :(

[GoldieAZ49]

85. Look at what it costs us when we are attacked

granted 9/11 did far more damage than they expected it would do. After the loss of life look what it did to our economy. A million jobs lost and a recession.

Americans are not will to live like Israel.

National Security is #1, of the democrats left in this race Hillary has more experience.

Remember the GE is very different than the primary.

[anigbrowl]

91. FreeRepublic.com is that way >>>>

I don't expect any Dem President to order them back on day one and be out of Iraq by day 2, but your 'argument' here is basically for open ended occupation of Iraq. Not buying, thanks.

[Skip Intro]

71. Where, exactly did she say she preferred mccain over Obama? Show it to me, please.

[Major Hogwash]

74. Hillary to Democrats against the war - "Fuck off!"

She'd rather see McCain in the White House than Obama!!

[Arugula Latte]

77. She's so arrogant. After yesterday, I am completely done with her.

[slay]

79. Same here - even Molly Ivens did a column before she died about why NOT to vote for Hillary

I'm not a huge Obama supporter, but I think we are just going to have to take our chances and hope he does well. Hell, he can not possibly be worse than 8 years of G.W.Idiot.

[meow mix]

87. she should be tombstoned

:mad:

[meow mix]

89. kick for the betrayer

[FlyingSquirrel]

97. I really hate hypocrisy. I don't get how people can support what she said.

If Obama had made a similar statement saying he and McCain both would be good in the WH and Hillary would not, you'd see some instant denunciations from the Clinton camp and I, for one, would not be defending Obama on it.