I thought Obama was against the Super Delegates deciding the race?

[jlake]

I sure as heck remember "shrill" claims that it shouldn't happen.
Now it seems the roles are reversed. Since some Obama supporters fear Hillary has regained her momentum and may eventually reclaim the pledged delegate lead they have no problem with
the SDs turning to Obama.

"Yes! That would help brunt the blow from Hillary wins in Texas and Ohio tonight, if they happen.
Hopefully he announces them tonight."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4876292

Wny am I not surprised.
Seems there is a double standard and St. Obama can do no wrong.

With Hillary & Obama's roles reversed, Obama supporters reverse their opinions.

Typical Obama.

[featherman]

1. Duh... the super delegates will decide the race

because neither candidate can win a plurality with pledged delegates alone. This is math. The first candidate to 2025 votes will need to combine the PD's plus SD's to arrive at a majority for the nomination.

[jlake]

4. That is clear. But Obama and his surrogates' positions have not been consistent.

[susankh4]

10. They never were consistant

from the moment that the superdels were supposed to vote according to their constituants.

Except for Ted Kennedy and John Kerry that is.

[Florida22ndDistrict]

33. Re: Duh... the super delegates will decide the race

If either of the two were a strong candidate then they could have won by pledged delegates alone. At the start they only needed to achieve 62% of the electorate, which can happen if a strong candidate pulls ahead early and holds his ground long enough to knock the others out. Now Obama needs 83% and Clinton needs 98%. Both have failed to unite the party with decisive wins, so it drags on until the convention or until the party officials crown a candidate.

[Asia Expat]

37. majority not plurality

Plurality is when there are more than 2.

[featherman]

41. You are correct. I misspoke. Majority

[SoFlaJet]

2. is your mission in life

to start shit EVERY day? jeez give it a rest once in a while-your flaming isn't changing any minds today-let's all pretend we're democrats-united against the GOP until the results come in

[jlake]

6. Just an observation. Not sure why the vile hate is directed at me.

[SoFlaJet]

15. Saint Obama?

come on dude give it a fucking rest will you-don't play the innocent victim

[jlake]

20. People think he's a miracle worker who can do no wrong..... is it really a stretch?

[SoFlaJet]

23. yes it is

and cut the shit-it's primary day we're supposed to be civil with each other on primary days-you know humble and democrats all

[dionysus]

42. what a crock of shit...

oh innocent lil ol' me....

[jlake]

43. That's not what I said. I just think that you Obamabrats are lashing out

today because y'all can feel the stinging loss coming.

[jaxx]

3. LOL spin at DU.

I've seen it all now.

[GodlessBiker]

5. More evidence that he, unlike Clinton, has planned for and is planning for many contingencies.

[jlake]

7. If he planned for it, he would have had a consistent message - so I think

he is just making shit up as he goes trying to get the rules on his side.

[GodlessBiker]

13. His message is Plan A, but he must be prepared for losing the issue and having the race

decided by super-delegates (Plan B).

Clinton planned to win decisively on Super Tuesday (Plan A), and she had no Plan B.

[jlake]

17. Why is Obama against the SDs deciding for HIllary, but if they go for him

it is good? That is not consistent.

[msongs]

8. superdelegates switch to clinton = bad, switch to obama = hallelujah nt

[mmonk]

9. That's not exactly the issue.

He is merely saying they should follow the pledged delegates and he will try to get superdelegates because they will decide the fate of the election because that is the system dealt.

[jlake]

18. Actually, it is the issue. He wants to quell HIllary's pledged shift and popular

vote momentum by using SDs to shut her out.

[mmonk]

32. A shift that really hasn't occured in great numbers

to indicate she can beat the numbers. The superdelegates are waiting to see when it becomes mathematically impossible (in either direction) on the pledged delegate side. It can still go to the convention with a mathematical problem on the pledged side for a candidate and that candidate try to make the shift of superdelegates away from the pledged delegates.

[pampango]

35. What "pledged shift" and "popular vote momentum"? If Hillary ends up

with the most pledged delegates, she should get the nomination (though we all know that the sd's can do whatever they want,as supporters of both candidates have pointed out at different points in this campaign).

Obama and his supporters should not seek to have sd's overrule that pledged delegate lead. The same applies if Obama ends up with the most pledged delegates.

[insanity]

11. He won't loose the popular vote total

And won't loose the super delegate total.

That's called insurance.

[jlake]

19. It sure looks like he WILL lose at least the popular vote....all the models I have seen

show Hillary winning with 2 million plus votes if all states vote.

[bowens43]

12. are distortions really the best you have?

How sad for you and your candidate.

[writes3000]

14. Obama will KEEP the lead in Pledged Delegates and NOW...

It looks like he will take the lead in Superdelegates soon.

And that was Obama's point all along. The leader in pledged delegates should get the majority of superdelegates.

I'm happy to see it all working out.

[thewiseguy]

16. He leads in the pledged delegate category

And let me tell you one thing *I am sure you know it too* , the candidate with the more pledged delegates will win this election. Right now that candidate is Obama and that is why the superdelegates are backing him.

[TeamJordan23]

21. Superdelegates will go with the will of the people: pledged delegates.

Obama has always said this. After tonight, we will find out that it will be virtually impossible for Hillary to catch up in Pledged Delegates.

[jlake]

22. No, he has waffled on his view for SDs several times - depending on what benefited him.

[kentuck]

24. How is Hillary ahead in Super Delegates??

And Obama is leading in every other vote? This is Hillary's secret weapon as soon as she can prove she is a viable candidate.

[Lucinda]

25. Happy Election day jlake!

:hi:

[jlake]

28. You too Wlucinda!

:hi: :party: :party: :party: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[meow mix]

26. shes losing them because they see her obvious cheap and ugly tactics

shes shooting herself in the foot

[jlake]

27. More cat shit from you. And Hillary is not a traitor for stating a fact.

[JimGinPA]

29. He Leads In Both Pledged Delegates & Votes

Her intention was to use super deletes to negate them. Oops... not gonna happen.

[mcctatas]

30. Apparently you have only a passing acquaintance with reality...

first of all, Clinton would have to win HUGE in all remaining primaries to regain the lead. Also, NEITHER one of them can win without super delegates because the remaining pledged delegates will not be enough to put them over the top. I finally realized that I like Hillary Clinton, wouldn't be sad if she were the nominee, but her supporters need a cookie and a nap!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/8/151423/7565/753/452823

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/29/clinton-campaign-obama-needs-to-sweep-march-4/

[HeraldSquare212]

31. Deciding it contrary to the outcome of the voting was always the issue.

[SteppingRazor]

34. I don't think anyone's saying Hillary will retake the lead in pledged delegates...

in fact, I think it's ridiculous to even try to claim that.

Hell, in this entire primary, Hillary has led in pledged delegates for less than a week (from the 2/5 elections to the 2/9 elections, when Obama retook the lead).

At this point, the idea that Sen. Clinton can retake a lead in pledged delegates is tantamount to a pipe dream.

As for the superdelegates, I continue to say what I've been saying all along -- the majority of them will wind up voting for the candidate with the most pledged delegates and the popular vote, and that person will be Barack Obama. As for how they SHOULD vote, which seems to be the argument you're making, I think that, clearly, the system is set up so that the superdelegates can vote for whomever they please. What they should or should not do isn't up to you, me or anyone else but the SDs themselves.

[cloudythescribbler]

36. HRC "may eventually reclaim the pledged delegate lead" ??? -- what Obama supporter suggests this???

First of all, HRC cannot REclaim the PLEDGED delegate lead because she never had it in the first place (as is said about HRC praising McCain and valuing his experience over Obama's -- this is a FACT not a spin).

Second, for HRC to gain a lead in the pledged delegates (assuming the DNC sticks by its rules on MI and FL) she would have to win super big, and after today, she would have to win EVEN BIGGER, assuming (as is less than likely but highly possible) she manages to squeak out wins in BOTH Ohio and TX. I don't know of a single Obama supporter or purported supporter, famous or otherwise, who suggests that there is a serious chance of HRC gaining a lead in pledged delegates by the end of the primary season. NONE. And those pundits who are not committed to either HRC or Obama, and PLENTY of HONEST HRC supporters also candidly admit that it is possible like the world being destroyed by an asteroid before this Nov's election. Possible -- but I wouldn't bet on it, even if (as there is at InTrade) you are offered MUCH better than even odds!


Now, there is a SLIGHTLY less remote chance that she could end up with a popular and/or delegate lead IF both MI and FL get seated, but even then, the chances are slim, and in any case she will need a commanding lead of SDs to win the nomination anyway.

TRUTH -- Obama is all but certain to end up with BOTH the most raw votes (including both primaries and caucuses, obviously favoring primaries) AND the most pledged delegates, come June 1, not counting MI and FL. The question is, WILL HE HAVE THE KIND OF COMMANDING LEAD that would virtually preclude the kind of shinanegans that WOULD BE REQUIRED for the Dems to deny him the nomination (which would in turn almost insure McCain's election on top of everything else, NO MATTER HOW GRACIOUSLY OBAMA WERE TO GO ALONG WITH THIS >>>>>

These are the raw facts, and there's nothing wrong with Obama, being bound by the rules of this contest, seeking support from SDs along with HRC's IMMENSE efforts, as long as the Obama campaign approaches the issue in an honest and fair manner, which to my knowledge has not even been seriously challenged by any non-troll (or to my knowledge, by any troll).

I don't buy the notion that black superdelegates are feeling 'pressure' to be unfair or dishonest (depending on the kind of pressure) as that is INEVITABLE given the social dynamics in a situation such as this, for those of us living here on planet earth -- you know, the one threatened with "global warming" and facing a VERY good chance of electing yet ANOTHER Repug with an environmental record unworthy of a mayor of Hackensack.....

[SteppingRazor]

38. Depending on your count, she may have had the pledged delegate lead by about 7 delegates...

for about four days (2/5-2/9).

[mckeown1128]

39. One problem with the BS your spewing...

Clinton can not catch up in PD's... it will never happen. She has to win 64%+ of all the remaining PD's. I ask you, how can she possibly catch up in PD's? You won't answer that question... because you can't...because she can't.. I am going to love the day when the mathematical possibility sets in to you.

[mcctatas]

40. shhhhh...

it can be dangerous to impose reality on someone who is in the middle of a delusion...

[amborin]

44. not if Obama can buy them off, or browbeat them into his camp

[jlake]

45. yeah - apparently.