If there is any chance you're considering not voting for the nominee...

[redqueen]

please do me a big huge favor and say so in this thread (if you have the courage to stand up for your 'principles' here, that is).

Thanks.

[cosmik debris]

1. I will never vote for Sen. Clinton. Ever. n/t

[redqueen]

3. Thanks.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. Neither will I. Hillary's has severly damaged Obama's chances in the GE. Shame on her...

and shame on anyone who would vote for her assuming her Rovian tactics happen to work. Let's hope not.

[redqueen]

108. IMO it's shame on anyone who won't help defeat McCain.

Thanks.

[cosmik debris]

168. That's mighty self righteous of you

But I live in Texas. If Sen. Clinton is the nominee, Texas will vote overwhelmingly for McCain. If my one vote could change that, I might reconsider. But my vote will not change that. The only chance of turning Texas blue is to nominate Obama. Otherwise, Texas is a write off, and my vote does not matter.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

187. Well said, although Hillary is doing her darnest to sabotage Obama's chances against McCain . . .

Gee, I wonder why. Could it be so that she can run again in 2012? Her strategy to damage Obama is as Rovian as it gets: heads I win, tails you (Obama) lose. And the Hillbots expect us to vote for that?! Sorry, not gonna happen.

[redqueen]

2. Come on... I know there's LOTS of you spewing this shit.

Be big enough to admit it.

[Coexist]

20. why are you doing this? Making a list? Trying to get them banned?

what is your motiviation?

[redqueen]

23. Not trying to get them banned...

sent you a PM.

[LizW]

58. Relax, they're not going to get banned.

It's been established that almost anything can be posted until there is a presumptive nominee, and the grace period has expired.

These declarations have been posted many times, scattered over GDP. I personally like seeing them collected in one thread.

I think I'll rec this.

[yardwork]

112. I would venture a guess that she's adding them to her ignore list.

[RiverStone]

146. redqueen, what was the purpose behind this thread?

How does it help DU or the Dems win the GE???

I'd vote for either candidate, though dearly hope it's Obama.

Anybody who thinks McCain is better then either Dem, and passively supports that war mongering bastard by not voting in November - is no Democrat.

Why call them out at all!?

Why not ask who will be supporting our Democratic nominee no matter who it is? I'd rather see those folks in the affirmative rather then the folks who will chose to sit on their ass and potentially allow another wacko appointment to the SCOTUS.

[redqueen]

161. Check your PMs.

Sorry.

[anonymeme]

205. Way to Whip Up The Unity, redqueen. Using a Little Gang Mentality Here, Are You?

Way to Whip Up The Unity, redqueen. Using a Little Gang Mentality Here, Are You?

Seems to be the MO for an awful lot of the O-Peeps.

[redqueen]

207. Yes, smear some supporters... good show.

This isn't to whip up anything. But nice job of assuming.

Good riddance.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

4. I'll vote for the nominee, assuming it's Barack.

[redqueen]

5. Are you saying you won't vote for Clinton if it's she? (nt)

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

9. it won't be. if it is, she'd going to have to do a lot of very heartfelt, contrite fence-mending...

before I'd ever consider it. her campaign disgusts me, as do her stances on the death penalty, the IWR, authorizing the cluster-bombing of civilians, military tribunals....

[redqueen]

10. So you're saying she'll have to jump through hoops

to earn your vote?

Close enough... thanks.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

28. lots of hoops, yes...otherwise, where's the accountability for the divisiveness and damage?

[DemBones DemBones]

73. BO is responsible for the divisiveness and damage. nt

[Hutzpa]

145. Guess he is guilty for being Mixed race

its his fault Hillary said what she said about experience

his fault for Hillary voting for war,

Voting against the banning of cluster bomb,

hell his fault for even being Barack Obama....:wow:

[cjsmom]

6. Add me to this list too

I'm sure it will make things more convenient for the moderators.

BTW, I will never vote for Obama. And I actually think a ticket that includes both McCain and Clinton would be a good thing.

[redqueen]

7. Thanks.

[IndianaJones]

8. idiotic. nt.

[mcctatas]

17. hmmmm

5 posts, no profile?

[movonne]

13. I think you are in the wrong place...this it the DemocraticUnderground

not the repug underground...

[mcctatas]

14. What would you like on your tombstone...

:puke:

[cjsmom]

30. I would like my tombstone to say:

I am the original Kali from January 2001. Thank you so much for asking.

[mcctatas]

35. And I'm supposed to care because?

you post something so idiotic and are surprised people might assume you are a "disruptor"...:wtf:

[cjsmom]

38. I didn't say I was surprised.

It's not so idiotic when you look at the actual numbers.

[Hutzpa]

154. This is f%&^$kin hillarious

:rofl:

[racaulk]

195. So are you admitting that you have a zombie account? n/t

[LostinVA]

32. Transparent -- bye

[WilliamPitt]

150. The word for today is "Stupid."

Stupid.

[Hutzpa]

153. lol!!!

bwahahahaha!!!!


:rofl:

[racaulk]

196. McCain/Clinton 2008!

:rofl:

*Any* ticket with McCain will be horrible for our country.

[mcctatas]

11. I'll vote for whichever one of our outstanding candidates gets

the nomination. With the possiblility of 3 supreme court picks, our health care crisis, and the terrifying possibility of John McDouchebag, the stakes are just too high! Would I prefer Obama to Hillary? Hell yes, but anyone who says they won't vote for the Democratic party's nominee will be partially responsible for whatever hell McDickhead wreaks! :rant:

[redqueen]

60. Oops! I missed this! THANK YOU!

:yourock:

:loveya:

[IndianaJones]

12. sure...theres a chance. don't know what that says about my 'principles'. nt.

[redqueen]

18. It says SCOTUS and environmental regulation isn't enough for you.

Sorry to learn that... but thanks.

[IndianaJones]

40. While I appreciate the black and white analysis, I did say there was a chance.

Much of my rejection of Obama at this time comes from my disgust at his supporters. I will give him every opportunity to turn that around if he gains the nomination.

[leftynyc]

142. Don't let them do that to you

Every candidate has asshole supporters - the country's future is more important than that. Please make that your consideration.

[complain jane]

15. No chance.

I'll vote for the Dem whoever it is.

[redqueen]

22. THANK YOU!

:bounce:

:yourock:

[Milo_Bloom]

16. I would NEVER vote for Clinton!

[redqueen]

24. Thanks.

[Zookeeper]

19. I could never vote for McCain. I will support the nominee. n/t

[redqueen]

25. Yay you!

:yourock:

[Ohio Joe]

21. No

I will proudly vote for whomever gets the nod.

[redqueen]

26. I'm glad to see responses like these...

so very glad.

:yourock:

[Ohio Joe]

55. I really do believe they are both quality candidates

But even if I didn't, there is far to much at stake not to vote Democratic. Anyone that does not see that is a fool.

Thanks!
:yourock: Too!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Of course I'd consider it.

And reject the notion in the same breathe.

I'm against loyalty oaths, spoken or otherwise.

[redqueen]

29. Not a loyalty oath... a recognition of what's at stake.

Not just SCOTUS (which really should be enough)... the health of planet earth itself hangs in the balance.

Thanks.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. In order to fully recognize something...

you'd have to consider the alternative, like your saying. Your OP was asking whether or not I would consider it. Yes, I consider it and reject it.

[pampango]

54. I've taken my "loyalty oath" to vote for our nominee, but I want it kept secret for now.

I would prefer that the candidates, their staffs, and the superdelegates not believe that my support is unconditional regardless of what tactics they employ to secure the nomination.

In point of fact, my electoral support is unconditional (though I want the big shots to worry about whether it is or not), but my time and money will depend on HOW the nomination is won.

[Withywindle]

31. There's part of me that's considering not voting for the nominee.

In much the same way that when I'm standing on a high place, there's part of me that "considers" jumping off.

There's part of me that "considers" leaving all the job stress behind and just becoming a wino.


There's part of me that has "considered" suicide in the past.


There's part of me that, from time to time, "considers" getting on the CTA buck naked just to see what would happen.


Fortunately, my survival instinct has always won out so far. I expect it will this time too. :hi:

[redqueen]

34. Nice one.

:yourock:

:hi:

[donkeyotay]

36. I am considering not voting for the nominee.

Not too long ago, Obama said that many of his supporters would not vote for Clinton. Apparently that was okay. However, as a former supporter of many of our fine candidates, I found his presumption offensive. He has made the same mistake that the Democratic party has made by presuming that we will stay no matter how corporate they are because we have no choice. Well, there's always a choice. And there' nothing like being told you don't have one to make you want to exercise it.

I always cared about this place and about the party because I thought that sooner or later they'd stand up for the ordinary citizens of this country. If Obama will truly do that, then I will vote for him. But he hasn't convinced me that he's for real. The blind adoration and the attacks on old democrats has moved me to the place where I'd rather vote for Hillary. If she is not the nominee, I don't know if I can vote for Obama. I probably won't vote, and will leave the party.

Huge favor, only because you asked redqueen. Not pretty, not popular, but that's my truth.

[redqueen]

37. That offended me as well...

as did the "likeable enough" comment... as did the McCain's so experienced comment... as did the "as far as I know" comment.

Regardless... I'll still vote for either of them.

Thanks.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

43. I disagree with your analysis of the candidates, but you hit the nail...

democracy is not about party loyalty. It's only about democracy.

I'd rather be a democrat and not sit this general out, but in the unlikely event I have to, I will. (And, by the way, I don't hold any illusions that the party will miss my lone vote.)

[GumboYaYa]

39. In my film, I took a strong stand against nepotism in politics.

American democracy has become a family business. Look at the number of seats in Congress held by family members of prior senators and reps. Look at the number of lobbyists who are family memebrs of Congresscritters.

To me, concentrating control of American democracy in the hands of a few connected families is the principle reason our government doesn't work for us and hasn't for a long time.

I will find it very hard tovote for Hillary Clinton. As a lifelong Democrat, it pains me to say that. I will not promote that view on DU if she is the eventual nominee (this place is too important to my sanity to risk getting kicked off.)

[redqueen]

44. *sigh*

Thanks.

[rosetta627]

41. No way will I vote for Clinton because of her IWR vote

It'd be the same if Edwards was still in the race; now way I'd vote for him for the same reason.

Whereas, IF Dennis Kucinich endorses Obama I will probably vote for him.
Otherwise I vote for Kucinich.

[redqueen]

45. Thanks.

[rosetta627]

49. Thanks for asking redqueen

And for the courteous reply.

[Godhumor]

42. I will vote for the nominee, regardless of who it is

Thankfully, I can separate GD-P from reality.

[redqueen]

46. Thank you!

:yourock:

[Godhumor]

56. As far as I am concerned it is a no-brainer n/t

[redqueen]

57. It is.

If we haven't learned by now, we deserve what we get. I just feel sorry for those who are too young to know or have any say in the process.

[stillcool]

47. I will never vote for McCain...

that said when November rolls around, I may choose to abstain from voting for any Presidential candidate.

[redqueen]

50. I'm surprised...

not happy to read that.

Thanks.

[caseycoon]

48. I would vote for an armadillo

if he/she is our Dem nominee, so whatever is left will be easy to vote for.
BUT....
For those of you who will NOT vote
FOR (whichever) how about voting AGAINST McCain?

America needs a Dem in office.
:hi:

[redqueen]

51. Thank you! Exactly! Vote AGAINST McCain - DUH!

:loveya:

:yourock:

[Capn Sunshine]

87. I have to draw the line at Armadillo

They carry leprosy you know.

But yeah, in the odd and incredible, nearly impossible event HRC is the nominee, I would gladly vote against McCain.

[caseycoon]

177. HMMMMM

Which is worse... leprosy or McCain?
:rofl:

[Fire Walk With Me]

52. Neither Clinton nor Obama have been willing to answer the imperative issue regarding their stance on

lolcats. They dodge and they duck and I'm beginning to wonder if we'll ever know, "funny or not", and if this reticence to take sides on such an important issue is an omen of things to come when other issues requiring such a clear stance come down the pike.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

[redqueen]

53. Hah!

I hope that means you view all the petty BS for what it is... and will vote against McCain as all sane people should.

:hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

63. Here's hoping that "they" will actually count our votes!

:hi:

[axordil]

59. I've had the same position since before Super Tuesday

If whoever goes into the convention with the lead in elected delegates isn't the eventual nominee, it would be hard for me to vote for the nominee, even in the face of a McCain presidency. I'm not saying impossible, but it would be very, very hard.

I would NOT vote for McCain though. Or Nader.

[redqueen]

61. Not voting for the nominee = helping McCain.

Thanks.

[axordil]

91. Yeah, I know :(

I'm just not happy with the choice, all right? I cannot promise at this point in time that I could make myself punch the button or mark in the square at this point in time, if I felt the Democratic nominee was illegitimate. It would in essence be rewarding a Democrat for being no better than a Republican. I would find myself thinking things like "well, McCain's old enough he could croak off in office."

Of course, he'll probably have a person in the VP slot even worse than he is...

This is just a very unhappy train of thought. And I really, really think that Dean and the DNC would fight tooth and nail to keep it from happening...because even if I held my nose, wore a gas mask, and got in a hazmat suit to vote for someone I loathed because they were better than someone I feared, an awful lot of people would just stay home. A tainted convention would kill our chances this year and for a long time to come.

[Orsino]

62. I'd like to think I retain that right...

...but I can't imagine allowing McCain to take the White House without at least my having voted for his opponent. Obama and Clinton would have to be proven corrupt on an epic scale--impossible, I imagine, for an individual--for me to risk further Republican control of the Executive Branch.

[redqueen]

65. Yay you!

:yourock:

[damntexdem]

64. A recurrent question here.

I would have to hold my nose and vote for HRC over McCain -- but I would not support her campaign otherwise. It really would be voting for the lesser of two evils. But it would still be the LESSER of those evils.

I hope that Hillary supporters will do the same when Obama is nominated.

[redqueen]

66. I'm sure there are some in both camps who will choose to help McCain.

Thanks for recognizing that voting against McCain is paramount.

:hi:

[Unsane]

67. Not EVER voting for Hillary Clinton.

I will likely sit the election out should she be the nominee.

[IndianaJones]

68. you could vote for the other issues and elections in your area. nt.

[Unsane]

71. Yep. Will vote for local dem reps and prog issues. No way on Hillary.

Not voting for her. May even vote against her if the race is close in my state. She is trash.

[redqueen]

74. Thanks.

[Araxen]

69. I would vote for anyone as the democratic nominee except Hillary.

[redqueen]

75. Thanks.

[DemBones DemBones]

70. I won't vote for BO. Will vote for Cynthia McKinney if she's the Green

nominee. If not, I'll decide between the Green and Nader.

[redqueen]

76. Thanks.

[crawfish]

72. If Clinton is the nominee, I probably would abstain.

I wouldn't want her on my conscience.

[redqueen]

77. Thanks.

[lapfog_1]

78. I have stated that I will support the nominee...

whoever wins.

I continue to stand by that... HOWEVER, everyday that passes, the more outrageous things happen that make it more difficult for me to continue that stance.

At this point, I just don't know anymore.

It will depend on HOW the nominee wins the nomination... Should one candidate go to the convention with more pledged delegates and NOT win the nomination... I may stay home (and I will leave the party and DU at that time).

Sorry, not the simple answer you want. But this hasn't played out all the way yet.

[redqueen]

79. I'm going to assume that you'll stand by it when push comes to shove.

:)

[MrsMatt]

80. I'll vote for a pile of steaming shit over McCain

so, I will vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is.

[redqueen]

81. Yay!

:yourock:

[Forkboy]

82. Whatever list you're compiling add me to it.

[redqueen]

84. Yeah, after your snipe about Hillary's supporters spewing shit from their mouths,

I can't say I'm surprised.

Thanks.

[Forkboy]

86. Look around this forum.

Tell me it isn't true. Same applies to the Obama supporters. And it doesn't mean every single one, including yourself, who have been fine. But the good ones seem to stay silent in the face of the most obnoxious all too often because they agree in general with their choice. I have no use for people like that. If something is wrong say so, regardless of whose toes get stepped on. But that rarely happens, and only a few people on either side have shown that kind of fairness with any regularity.

As for not voting, there's plenty of factors, including the fact that I live in Mass and any Dem will carry this state so easily it'll be laughable. My non-vote won't hurt anyone, but it will let put my head on my pillow at night without hating myself.

If that bothers you I honestly don't really care. Your vote is your vote and my vote is my vote to use, or not use, however the hell we see fit. Your looking down on me for it won't faze me in the slightest bit.

And your welcome.

[Bluenorthwest]

83. I will vote for the Democrat

And always have. My primary candidate never ever gets the nomination, so I am used to voting for the choice of the Party. My choices get shot, at worst, and ignored at best. And then I vote for the Democratic nominee.
The level of support beyond a vote is what comes into play for me usually. This year, defeating the GOP simply sounds like huge fun, and the person cast to play the lead is not so important as the sheer joy of replacing as many Republicans as possible, and cleaning the White House of the stentch. So I'll probably give some effort to it. Especially downticket as they say. Let's have a big majority and the White House too!

On some days I feel like both of them are the worst choices ever, but that is really not the case at all. Even where I have issues with them, if I am realistic about it both of them are better even on their worst points than other Democrats for whom I have voted. Even where I find the most to complain about, it is not any worse than others. Kerry voted for IWR, I voted for him. So Hillary's vote I don't like, but I've crossed that bridge for Kerry, for the Party, already. Most of us did of course. Obama has some trouble with the gay issues that matter to me, but he also has more positive messages than many past Democrats, and while he has been crude in his baiting tactics, he has also said things I was glad to hear that he did not have to say.
There is always the alternative, for those of you who 'can never vote for____' of simply voting against McCain. If you really can not vote for the candidate, cast it against the criminal. If you can not vote Clinton or Obama, just vote Democratic Party. It is not all about them, it is about us, the Party and the Country. The people and our Constitution, if I may, are the real issues, not Barack or Hillary. To not vote or not vote Democratic is simply out of the question at this point in history. So she voted this way and he baited that way. I take one look at McCain and his Second Lady, and I know that I can vote againt that very easily, so you all pick the Democrat, I'll do my part.

[redqueen]

85. Thank you!

:yourock:

[CyberPieHole]

88. I WILL NEVER vote for Obama.

[redqueen]

89. Thanks.

[anonymeme]

208. Amen, CyberPie...

Amen, CyberPie...

I plan to write Hillary in, if the coalition of the willingly blind, hand us that shape-shifting illusionist as a candidate.

So do my four daughters and my sister...

Here's to Hillary and Here's to Us -- ALL of us really -- even if some people don't get that -- some actually do get it!

~*:toast:*~

[Johnny__Motown]

90. I will NEVER vote for Hillary. may stay home, may vote 3rd party. Might even go McCain (doubt it )

She would simply spend another 4-8 years doing damage to our party.

[redqueen]

95. Thanks.

[Minimus]

92. I will proudly vote for our party's nominee.

[redqueen]

96. Thank you!

Same here. :)

:yourock:

[Lilith Velkor]

93. I will not vote for Obama

If he is the nominee, I will vote for McKinney.

And if you SCOTUS me, I'll just laugh at you because I live in a district where the Greens get more votes than the Republicans, and have done so for over a decade.

[redqueen]

97. Thanks.

[Traction311]

94. I originally supported John Edwards

But I don't have any problem with either of the other two Dems.

[redqueen]

99. Thank you!

:yourock:

I was for Kucinich first... then Edwards... now Obama.

But I'll gladly vote for a ham sandwich if it's got the best chance against McCain!

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

98. I'm not. Unless it's Gravel.

[redqueen]

101. You damn well know it won't be.

Thanks.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

120. Yes. *Sigh*

After 40+ years of voting for the "lesser of two evils", my nose is plumb worn out.

[Dogmudgeon]

100. Is anyone *** Keeping a count? ***

Someone should keep track of who won't be voting for whom.

--p!

[redqueen]

103. There's no need for that.

Playing "so and so has more childish / petulant supporters" games won't improve anything around here.

[EFerrari]

106. Because we can't have enough blacklisting here. It's such a productive

activity and so conducive to coalition building.

[Dogmudgeon]

113. Blacklisting? How about lobbying?

We'll have several months to change their minds -- gently.

After all, we will have Jahn McCain to think about.

--p!

[EFerrari]

118. I'm sorry, p! Maybe as soon as I come into this forum,

perception goes out the window.

[Dogmudgeon]

167. I know it well. I've slid on the ice myself a few times.

But, y'know, this will get us into shape for what is coming.

Taking back America won't be an easy job. This is only the start. But it's worth doing.

:patriot:

--p!

[gravity]

If the republican party miraculously have a change of heart

and McCain becomes a liberal

[redqueen]

107. You made me smile...

Thank you so much!

:yourock:

[EFerrari]

104. I'm trying to convince me that I can vote for Obama.

Not having much success because his positions are so similar to hers that this whole forum should be shut down.

I may just stay out of it entirely and keep focus on election protection.

[redqueen]

105. They are very similar.

They are both better than the repuke.

Sorry to hear that... I'm going to hope you'll hold your nose and vote for the nominee in Nov.

[EFerrari]

109. I felt pretty much the same way about Kerry but

you know what? Since then, I've grown very fond of him as a person and now follow his activities with a great deal of respect.

It seems that every now and then, I'm wrong as hell. lol

:)

[anonymeme]

209. Actually, You Don't Have to Do That...

Actually, You Don't Have to Do That...

Just write Hillary in. I know some people who are going to do that.

I'm one of them.

See this: ""

Know what the bottom of it is called?

Know what happens when a lot of them get together?

You have a very nice lawn... take the one at the White House, for example... ~*:)*~

[EFerrari]

210. Good luck to your candidate.

:)

[Xithras]

110. Of course I'll vote for Obama.

I won't vote for Hillary for the same reason I didn't vote for Bill the second time around. I won't vote for DLC members (who aren't really Democrats anyway, but are simply progressive Republicans).

I'd vote for Hillary if she's the nominee AND she renounces her DLC membership AND repudiates that organization. Otherwise, it's like asking someone to vote for a KKK member simply because they're a Democrat. Certain principles must rise above party affiliation.

OK, maybe the KKK thing was a little over the top. Would you vote for an anti-choice Democrat? How about an anti-gay Democrat? Would you vote for a Democrat who advocated imprisoning AIDS patients? How about building concentration camps for illegal aliens? Of course you wouldn't. Your fundamental ideological beliefs take precedence over your party affiliation. My opposition to the DLC is much the same. I cannot support an anti-union, pro-corporatist, pro-globalization, anti-populist, pro-SS privatization, pro-military, pro-merit pay for teachers, pro-school voucher organization that views the environment as a resource to be exploited and global warming as a potential profit center. If I voted for a DLC member, I'd be voting to support those positions. If I voted for Hillary, I'd not only be voting for a DLC member, I'd be voting for the wife of a former DLC chairman. Ain't happening.

[redqueen]

121. I would vote for ANY Democrat who has the best chance to beat the repuke.

Two reasons:

SCOTUS

The environment



Thank you.

[bkcc]

111. Anyone replying YES is a moron.

Are you seriously going to let the Republican nominee win if your primary candidate doesn't get the nomination?

Whether you're a Clinton or Obama supporter, if you're thinking this way you are a pathetic creature.

The future of the nation is more important than your horse winning the race.

[EFerrari]

116. Another blinding statement of empathetic usefulness.

Please, you're killing me.

lol

[bkcc]

123. I think it's a valid point. Sorry if I've somehow offended you.

And, by all means, continue to pop in and make a pithy comment for every new post in this topic.

lol

[EFerrari]

129. "Anyone replying YES is a moron" = "I think it's a valid point".

Okay.

[bkcc]

134. read past the headline.

And if your nominee doesn't win, please take your ball and go home while we endure another 4 years of Republican rule.

Jackass.

[EFerrari]

139. Thanks for your contribution to this thread!

[redqueen]

125. I agree that it's counterproductive, but I'd rather not call them names.

And not just the future of this country, but the future of the world. This country affects more than just her own citizens' well-being.



There was no need to call sfexpat a jackass. That was rude, uncalled for and against the rules.

[Tesha]

131. Several of my primary candidates didn't get the nomination. But even I have standards.

> Are you seriously going to let the Republican nominee
> win if your primary candidate doesn't get the nomination?

Several of my consecutive primary candidates didn't get
the nomination! Barrack was probably my seventh choice
out of the whole field. But even I have standards, and
choice number eight is beyond the pale; I simply won't
vote for Hillary under any set of circumstances, and
everything her campaign has done for the past few weeks
has only reinforced my opinion.

Tesha

[redqueen]

133. Thanks.

I guess by your standards... McCain is better.

Sorry to learn that.

[Tesha]

140. Nope. But McCain's not that much worse.

And SOMEONE, SOMETIME, has to finally send the message
through to the numbskulls in the DLC that we're tired
of them pissing on our ideals and causing the Democrats
to routinely bring forth candidates whom your average
voter could easily confuse with a New England-styled
Republican (at best!).

And the only message they may understand in this regard
is the withholding of our votes for their pathetic excuses
for candidates.

I'm still quite hopeful that Hillary and Bill Clinton
will finally be kicked to the history's curb after
today and I won't be faced with a difficult choice
come November. But rest assured, this cycle, there's
nothing that will make me vote for Hillary.

Tesha

[LiberalAndProud]

114. I am going to vote for the Democratic candidate

this year. No matter who he or she shall be. It's my Party and I'm votin' cuz I want to.

[redqueen]

126. Right on!

:yourock:

[IsItJustMe]

115. I am so pissed right now at HRC's comments about the Clinton/McCain experience factor, well, lets

put it this way, I need a cooling off period. Ask me again in a week.

[redqueen]

128. I understand...

:hug:

[IsItJustMe]

156. Well, Thank you for the understanding.

:toast:

[grantcart]

117. it is an idiotic question - of course there is always a chance

[EFerrari]

119. Why would that be an idiotic question on a progressive board

when the two Democratic front runners are centrists? :crazy:

[grantcart]

127. because of the word "any"

would you support a candidate that was approaching the election and had just received a 47 page indictment for fraud or . . .

[EFerrari]

136. I obviously have to go for a walk. The word "any" in that sentence

modifies "chance" and not "candidate".

See? Stepping away from the keyboard.

lol

[grantcart]

155. we all need to go out for a walk wait let me disconnect my catheter

[redqueen]

130. No, it isn't.

Anyone who's been paying attention... not just to our elections, but all over the world... there is no wiggle room on this.

You vote for the lesser evil, or you pay the price. I hoped most would have learned that by now. Alas...


Thanks.

[Tesha]

122. There is no possibility that I will ever vote for Hillary Clinton

and this has been my firm position since the day she cast
her vote on the Iraq War Resolution.

Full disclosure: Mr. Tesha and I financially supported
her during her 2000 Senate run, so she really had to
work to earn our enmity and antipathy, but so she has.

Tesha

[Skip Intro]

124. I would like to know why you want this info before I answer.

[Forkboy]

Ignore maybe? Delicate sensibilities?

Either one would seem to fit.

[redqueen]

137. Check your PM.

Thanks.

[LiberalAndProud]

149. Twice with the pm.

I already answered, am I disqualified from the explanation?

[Carolina]

132. Absolutely won't vote

for Hillary Clinton.

It all started with IWR, but has escalated with this abominable campaign. The only thing I have seen her outraged about over the past 7 years has been some NAFTA and health care campaign literature. Where was that 'shame on you' to the current squatter in the White House?!

And just what really is her experience aside from 20 years as William Jefferson Clinton's other half, as First Lady of AK and the US?

And based her IWR, Patriot Acts I & II and other votes, is her experience and judgment any good??!!

Her sense of entitlement, her triangulation, slurs, cheap words, kitchen sink campaign, gracelessness with which she has handled the past 10 defeats ... too much to write.

She is anything but ready on day one, and my dislike of her has grown to pure loathing. And I know I am not alone.

[Tesha]

135. You're not alone. I agree with everything you said. (NT)

[redqueen]

138. Thanks.

[Hawaii Hiker]

141. No...I'm a true Democrat, & always vote straight Democrat in every election

despite how much I disliked what HRC did yesterday by praising that SOB McCain, I would absolutely vote for her if she's the nominee, because ANY Democrat is ALWAYS better than the Republican - ALWAYS!....

[redqueen]

147. AMEN!

:loveya:

:yourock:

[jlake]

143. Doubtful that I'll support Obama.

[redqueen]

148. I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

Thanks.

[Melinda]

144. I'll never, ever vote HRC. I'll write in JE if Obama is not the nominee.

And a search of my posts will show I've said the same for months.

And you "courage" remark is strange from my perspective... courage isn't something I'd expect to see from others, or exhibit myself, by posting anonymously on a message board.

But then again, that's just me. :shrug:

[redqueen]

152. Some people are afraid to go 'against the grain' here...

for fear of being flamed. That's all I meant, that they were risking being flamed. Not that it's much... but it still keeps people from posting sometimes.

Thanks.

[Melinda]

166. Understood and thanks... I appreciate your explanation.

What's missing on DU, imo, is mutual respect of our differences and choices... the behavior exhibited by this "choosing of sides" and the animosity delivered toward one another this primary season on DU is literally the antithesis of liberalism.

I can honestly say I have never posted a OP for the purpose of division or to tear any candidate down or promote one over another, nor have I engaged in any personal attacks of any kind.

I have to be true to myself and my beliefs above all else, and I simply don't understand the rage that so many here seem to hold and exhibit, nor do I believe that when one disagrees with my choice, they naturally become my enemy. That being said, I have been known to utilize the alert function from time to time when warranted by an extremely hateful post.

However, bottom line for me is this: I am always looking for the commonality of goodness between all of us at DU.

Then again, as in the words of Lennon, (and a totally generic "you")

"You may say I'm a dreamer.... but I'm not the only one..."

Thanks again.

[seaglass]

151. I don't know what to think. I remember at the beginning of the

season how we saw poll after poll reflecting how thrilled Democrats were with their candidates and how unhappy Republicans were - and now look where we are.

I will outright admit that I am not pleased with the last candidates standing.

I will also admit that I felt a sense of happiness when Ralph Nader announced he was running. I FINALLY understood why Greens and left leaning Democrats could and did vote for someone that couldn't win. I considered it for a brief moment.

But what the hell have I been doing on DU since 2001?

How can I in good conscience not continue the fight? How can I, after 7 years of what Bush has done to this country just sit this one out? How can I, after opposing the war in Iraq, allow someone to get elected who wants to fight more wars and stay in Iraq 100 more years?

I have been so freaking pissed off at many of the posters in this forum and the vile statements that have been posted. But I know the worst of you will be gone and I know the worst of you are only here to sow discord. I will not let the worst of you deter me from voting for the Democratic nominee - no matter that I have to hold my nose to do it.

[redqueen]

159. Thank you!

:yourock:

[JVS]

157. The very question prompts one to contemplate the idea

[redqueen]

162. Troublemaker.

[Forkboy]

165. Best answer yet.

[TheZug]

158. It's a painful decision, and one I hope I won't have to make.

Clinton has confirmed everything I suspected about her--though I did at least expect her to run an effective, efficient campaign, and she didn't.

I can't bear the thought of the Rethugs staying in the White House, but the thought of voting for her really makes me ill.

If I am faced with that choice then I may well wish that I still lived in Alabama or Illinois, where my vote never really mattered.

[redqueen]

163. Heh, yes... voters in no-doubt-about-it red areas have that luxury.

Everyone else... it's either help defeat the repuke or don't. Not a tough question for me, regardless.

Thanks. :)

[demo dutch]

160. I'm passing, I'm sick of it and we're getting the hell out of country.If you think things will

change then you're all dreaming!!! So, the bags are packed and the house has been sold (finally!) Very disappointed at the Dems, I thought after 8 yrs of crap they would finally get it! But that would be too much to ask!

[redqueen]

164. Where are you going?

They recently learned why NOT to do the vote-splitting BS in France... so maybe that's a not-so-bad choice.

Good luck. Wish I could do the same.

[demo dutch]

169. I have dual citizenship and we're going back to Europe. We still have family and connections there

First France since my mom still lives there, Alsace area. The rest of my family lives in eastern part of the Netherlands.

[redqueen]

170. Good luck,

and congratulations. :hi:

[demo dutch]

174. Thanks. My daughter will be going to college there at a fraction, We're very fortunate to be able to

get out with housing and jobs.

[rinsd]

171. Notice the overwhelmingly majority of Obama "supporters" not voting for Hillary are newbies.

Fucking Obama & Hillary trolls are making this place isnto a sewer.

[Sir Jeffrey]

172. I can imagine several instances where I would not vote for the nominee...

Most of them are unlikely to happen.

For example: if Bush blows his wad on Iran and the nominee falls into lockstep support, I'll stay home.

[Hutzpa]

173. This is just too obvious

this could have been done through polling, its quicker and simple.

Don't know what you're trying to acheive though,

but hey! just my 2cents.

[Blue_In_AK]

175. I'll vote

but I'm very unhappy with both of these candidates. We could have done so much better.

[SidneyCarton]

176. If you don't intend to vote when your nominee isn't chosen...

When President McCain Wins the Election,
When We end up Bombing Iran,
When the Price of Gas exceeds $5.00 a gallon,
When SCOTUS is stacked with neo-cons who will stay there for the next 50 years,
When the rest of our civil rights go through the shredder,
When our economy tanks and we are all slaving for minimum wage,
When Blackwater is called in to "enforce law and order,"
When you and I and all of the other posters on this board end up in KBR built detention camps,

DON'T YOU DARE ASK "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?"

YOU KNOW WHY!

IN THE CRUCIAL HOUR OF OUR NATION'S GREATEST NEED YOU CHOSE SCRUPLES AND YOUR WOUNDED PRIDE OVER THE FUTURE OF OUR NATION AND THE PRESERVATION OF OUR FREEDOMS!

What I say to one, I say to all, I will vote for the nominee, if for no other reason than to stave off disaster.

Elections have consequences.

[redqueen]

188. Hello SidneyCarton!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[SidneyCarton]

211. Thanks, longtime lurker, I only post infrequently

[NastyRiffraff]

178. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, whether that's a positive or negative vote...

Depends on who's the nominee.

If it's Hillary, I'll be proud to cast my vote for her, and will campaign for her.

If it's Obama, my vote will not be for him, but against McCain.

[Sandaasu]

179. It's looking like Obama or I stay home at this rate.

Unless Hillary can make up a lot of ground, her "endorsement" of McCain is a deal-breaker for me.

[ulysses]

180. never say never,

and I'm not looking forward to the self-flagellation it would take to make me vote for Clinton if she wins the nom, but I'm planning (at least for now) to vote for the nominee.

For all the fricking good it'll do...

[redqueen]

184. "For all the fricking good it'll do..."

Close your eyes, and think about the past 8 years, and consider all that might have been different if that asshole wasn't in the WH.

Now repeat the above quote, and see if you think it's not enough good to vote for the Dem.

[ulysses]

185. we can do better than "Hey, we're better than George Bush!"

Even now, I have to believe that.

[redqueen]

189. Yes...

but no matter what you think of our candidates... there's no question the alternative is worse. Much, much worse.

[ulysses]

192. I liked your first reply better.

:)

Ok, the alternative is worse.

[redqueen]

194. Hehehehehehe...

I'm trying SO HARD to be positive.

:7

[elizm]

181. If Clinton was the nominee, I would write in Obama. I will never vote for Hillary. nt

[Liberal Dose]

182. I will do as always and vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is. nt

[enlightenment]

183. I'll vote for the Dem nominee -

even though you're a Gooner. ;)

UP the BLADES!!

*who need all the "UP" they can get at the moment . . .*

[redqueen]

197. I would rather they weren't relegated last season.

I wanted West Ham to go down, the cheatin bastards.

Thanks. :)

[enlightenment]

200. Don't want your thread to get side-tracked, so I'll just say

Thanks :) - and add that we're definitely not playing PL quality football this season, for sure, so perhaps it was for the best.

And congrats on a great game today over Milan!

[redqueen]

202. Ooooooh... was it?!

:bounce:

I can't watch... but you've got me excited!!!!!!!!!!

And c'mon now... y'all would do better that Derby! And Fulham too, probably.

[enlightenment]

203. hehe - not just good. Great!

Go check out the reports - y'all did AMAZING! :woohoo: :applause:

For us, not so sure. We may start doing better - but we're sitting 5 points off relegation, not 5 points off the top of the table - the lads definitely have lost their stride. I've got my fingers crossed that our new gaffer will pull them out of the doldrums!

[redqueen]

204. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

:woohoo:

So much of the game is confidence... here's hoping the new guy does the trick! :hi:

[NMMNG]

186. I've already made my stance clear several times

Feel free to send me one of those PMs you've made reference to, if you'd like.

[redqueen]

198. I did.

I haven't spent so much time here lately, so I've missed you making your stance clear...

[dana_b]

190. I won' vote for Clinton

I am an independent and took an oath a year ago not to vote for anyone who voted for the war. I consider her vote for authorization a vote FOR war.

[midora]

201. I Will Not Vote if Clinton is the Nominee

This would be highly unusual for me, as I am a yellow dog Democrat. I find her tactics reprehensible, and I wouldn't vote for her if she was running for dog-catcher. However, the election is many months away;I could change my mind. Possibly,I could be convinced to vote for the lesser of two evils.

[khaos]

191. i'm not a citizen; can't vote..

and if I could I probably wouldn't even waste my time; mainstream candidates of both parties view us all as cattle and will continue to do so as long as the people behave like mindless sheep. USA is going to be a full blown fascist state in a few years regardless of who the next president is.

very sad, but i'm going back home soon and taking my new family with.

[Omphaloskepsis]

193. I will vote for the (D) nominee.

If it is Clinton I will hold my nose while doing so. The last month has really turned me away from her. Starting with not showing up for the Telecom Immunity bill.

I will actively support Obama by giving him my money and time.

Threatening to kill my family or my cat is about the only way I would vote for McCain. The fish can die.

[racaulk]

199. I'm not really that enthused about Clinton or Obama.

I have issues with both of them, but I will gladly vote for either of them in the GE. Despite their shortcomings, they're both a heck of a lot better than McCain.

[LSK]

206. The reality is that our system produces 2 final choices

I will choose the Democrat in November.

I hope everyone wises up by then.