Somewhere on a debate stage, 7 months from now.....

[scheming daemons]

Moderator: "Senator Obama, what do you say to voters who are worried that you are not experienced enough for the job of President?"

Obama: "I have been an elected official for the past 11 years, and was a community organizer before that. My life experiences and my sound judgement make me more than qualified to be the President."

Moderator: "Senator McCain, your response?"

McCain: "Look, even prominent Democrats, like Hillary Clinton, have said that I have the experience necessary to be President and that he, Senator Obama, does not. This is not coming from Republicans or someone in my campaign, this is coming from respected Democratic leaders. All you need to know is that Democrats don't think he's experienced enough to be President and they think I am."



Now.. Hillary supporters... do you understand the kind of damage Hillary's statement could have? Whether she THINKS it or not is not the issue. It whether she, as a GOOD DEMOCRAT, should give the McCain campaign that kind of cover for their attacks. All they have to say is, "WE aren't the ones saying these things about Obama, it's FELLOW DEMOCRATS! Roll the tape!"


Senator Clinton threw the potential Democratic nominee under the bus. It's something he has not done to her, even though he has plenty of ammunition in which to do it with.

That's the difference between Obama and Clinton in a nutshell. She cares about herself more than the party or country. It is plainly obvious to those that aren't so blinded with Hillary-love that they can't see it.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. It was a stupid move on her part, I think

Because McCain could also use it against HER, since he has more experience than she has.

[SoFlaJet]

2. they don't see it

they REFUSE to see it-they are Hillary-crats not democrats....nothing their Queen can do or say is off limits-it's all just the way the game of politics is played for them. She is about to pay a big price for her insurrection in super delegates supporting Obama-she crossed the line-whether they care to admit it or not

[dysfunctional press]

7. her intent was to throw obama under the bus...so that super-delegates would flock to her.

by hopefully in her mind making barack appear "unelectable", and by publicly giving john mccain the club to beat him with, she wants the super-delegates to feel that they have no real choice but to support her, or risk a loss in the november general on the issue.

she is pure scum.

[meow mix]

32. and in doing it threw us little people under the bus too.

treats her party like garbage.. she's like a queen. a real one.

[Arkansas Granny]

15. Could we just stop with the name-calling? It's juvenile, at best, and

does nothing to advance your candidate.

[Divernan]

22. Oh, but it does. People who were undecided have turned on Hillary

because of this.

[Arkansas Granny]

26. Ridiculing your opponent is not the same as advancing your candidate.

[Divernan]

27. Well HRC sure plays the game that way.

Whatever you cast upon the waters can come back to you tenfold.

[anigbrowl]

33. Perhaps you should have told Hillary that.

[Benhurst]

3. Obama's experience -- or lack there of -- speaks for itself.

What other politicians say matters little.

[scheming daemons]

6. Just like Gore provided cover for Atwater to use Willie Horton in '88....

..Hillary is providing cover for McCain to use inexperience/"as-far-as-I-know"/muslim-dress without blame.


The Bush campaign in '88 beat down Dukakis with the Willie Horton ad.... and when they were called on it, all they said was, "Hey... Al Gore used this against him first! This wasn't *OUR* idea."


Hillary is giving the McCain camp cover for their attacks. It doesn't matter if the attack has substance or not... the fact that it FIRST came from a Democrat makes it "acceptable" for McCain to use it without worrying about any backlash.

[Benhurst]

16. Karl Rove and Company don't need any cover to bring up the issue

of experience, which is, by any reckoning, a legitimate one.

Experience has always been an issue in presidential elections, and we won't be able to run from it just because Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton is our nominee. And don't believe for a moment we wouldn't be using experience as an issue if the situation were reversed.

McCain obviously has more experience than Obama and Clinton combined. If either gets the Democratic nomination, despite having had more Democratis vote against than for him or her in the primaries, then some way will have to be found to turn McCain's experience into a negative. But to pretend he doesn't have more experience would be just plain foolish.

[scheming daemons]

21. Their argument has more oomph if they can claim that EVEN DEMOCRATS agree with them...

...don't you see this?


Just in the same way that we can beat McCain over the head with Republicans that publicly disagree with him.

[Benhurst]

25. McCain has far more more experience than Obama. That is

obvious and hardly needs Hillary to proclaim it.

"The Candidate of Change," assuming he gets the nomination, will have to attempt to turn McCain's long record in the Senate against him, transforming what is generally seen as a positive into a negative. But the Republicans will play the experience card, as would any party which held that advantage over an opponent.

Since our two surviving candidates defeated very good candidates with far better credentials, experience hasn't proven much of an asset so far this election cycle.

We can only hope such will still be the case come November, and the candidate lacking experience will prove victorious.

[superkia]

19. So far the American people are agreeing with Obama, that...

experience means shit if you have poor judgment (or are connected to the elites agenda and made sound judgment to move your agenda forward). I only wish we had paper ballots and honest people not bought and paid for, counting the results because then the American peoples choice would be heard.

[DUyellow]

4. this is what she has been doing for the past 2 weeks.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. They won't get it.

Clinton doesn't care if Democrats win the White House, unless she's the one who wins it. With Obama all but assured the nomination, she's going to get in as many licks as possible to make it very difficult for him to beat McCain. I wasn't convinced of this a month ago, or hell even a week ago, but I think it's becoming more and more clear: She wants to run again in 4 years.

[SoFlaJet]

9. I've been saying it for over a month now

my Blarney friend-they are already positioning themselves for 2012, knowing they HAVE no shot to win this time. They WANT McCain to beat Obama so they can try again in 4 years-disgusting excuse for a democrat and all the Hillary-crats who refuse to see it are NOT democrats-they are the same as the people that supported Joe Lieberman

[HeraldSquare212]

8. Exactly - that's what will happen if he's nominated, and it will hurt big time in the GE

It's all about the Clintons, nothing else. And don't forget: Penn only loses if Obama wins the GE, because someone from his company is advising McCain, too.

[ecstatic]

10. And I hope Obama would then slam both McCain and Clinton

so hard on there so called "experience" that they are forced to retire and leave the public scene forever.

[npincus]

11. HRC doesn't give a rat's ass... destroying OB's viability as a candidate

is what she's bent on.

[democrank]

12. Don`t try to reason with

the DLC wing of the Democratic party.

[DearAbby]

13. Listening to the radio today

they keep replaying the audio to this, and I have to say...if this was unintentional then it showed extreme poor judgement. If this was intentional, it is a betrayal to the party.

[Emillereid]

14. I concur. Hillary's statements will damage our nominee and they will be used

by the repukes and severely hurt our chances of taking back the WH. If she didn't realize the effect her words will have, she should have - she's not that stupid!

[truebrit71]

17. This is why I dislike her so much..it's ALL about her....

...and those crocodile tears in NH about "caring for the country", fuck that dear, I'm not buying...

You're a nasty, vicious political operative out to promote only yourself and you don't care who or what gets destroyed in the process...

That is why I hope you get your ass kicked from one side of Texas to the other tonight...

I'm done with your guuter politics...I expect that from the rethugs..I do NOT expect that from a former first lady, ESPECIALLY one that has been crucified by her political opponents for YEARS because of her husband...

Shame on you....

[adigal]

18. I think Hillary and Bill decided they want Obama to lose

and then she will run again in 2012, hoping that Democrats are too stupid to recall what she did to Obama this year.

Scarily, I think she is correct.

[karynnj]

29. I don't think that 2012 is likely Trust is hard to regain when you lose it

It is far easier for someone with whom you have no past experience to gain your trust than for someone you trusted, defended - even after you found they were lying, who then showed a different side of themselves that showed that you were wrong to have ever trusted them. I know that sounds melodramatic, but that was where I was with the Clintons a few years ago. I seriously think I could never trust them again. (In fact, young adult kids saying - accurately - "you defended them when you had to know better." hurts.)

This is a gamble to win this year. They will likely next argue that through this and other things Obama is too damaged and HRC is the only solution.

[Jim Lane]

31. If Obama loses the GE, it will be time to start the "Spitzer in 2012" group on DU

Although maybe Richardson would by then have improved his campaigning skills....

I just know I'd be very unlikely to support Clinton for the nomination, unless she makes it clear this fall that she's going all-out to elect Obama.

[Johnny__Motown]

20. I don't know if Clinton supporters can grasp this. We have been making this argument for weeks now.

[Divernan]

23. HRC's numbers ARE highest with the less educated.

[JimGinPA]

24. LOL

I think I might be xeroxing that line from time to time.


:rofl:

[Divernan]

28. Be my guest.

[TheWraith]

30. Kicked and recommended. It's disloyalty to the party and the voters, pure and simple.

She betrayed the basic trust of Democratic Party unity, and respect for the will of the primary voters. She basically said "Take me or take a Republican."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. Obama Response:

"You saw how effective that was the first time that empty line tried being used against me. Feel free to borrow as many of my previously defeated opponent's lines as you'd like. The people didn't buy them then, and they most certainly won't buy them now".

See how easy that fucking was?

Anyone overdramatizing this to think it would hurt Obama at all is a friggin naive fool. Get a grip people, it's enough already.

[scheming daemons]

36. Gotta admit.... that's a pretty good response... ;-)

Kudos.


Still..... there's nobody to respond to it when it is parroted endlessly in the Sean Hannity echo chamber.... Alan Colmes? Shyeah... right.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Thanks. But Trust me, There Will Be FAR Worse Than That Being Said In The Hannity Echo Chamber.

But fret not: No matter who our nominee is, no matter what is said or done during this primary season, we will thump the shit out of McCain in November. No doubt in my mind. After all this primary shit is over, we will for the most part all come together and move forward with all hands on deck, and we bring our message to the voters and get them out to the polls in RECORD BREAKING numbers. I have no doubt of this. It has been 8 years of sheer hell and there will be NO stopping our momentum and conviction in the GE. McCain is gonna get the fuck run over. I promise you that...

[apocalypsehow]

35. They simply don't care. Like HRC herself, many of the Clinton supporters around here have basically

decided that if Hillary can't be the Democratic nominee, the White House is not worth having. Their posts increasingly indicate that they would be just fine with a President McCain, sadly. That's what unfiltered hatred does to a person's soul.

[Laelth]

38. Very well-made argument.

Hillary failed us.

:(

-Laelth