i have heard from two people, obama doesnt put hand on chest with pledge

[seabeyond]

i know it is bullshit and i havent even missed with this bullshit, cause it is such bullshit but 13 yr old son is hearing it from kids in school and we need to know what this bullshit is about. apreciate the info.....

[ingac70]

1. It's about him...

not putting his hand over his heart during a horrid rendition of the national anthem.

[Eric J in MN]

2. This comes from a photo which was actually of the National Anthem.

Most people don't put their hands over their hearts for the National Anthem, but Obama was photographed standing near people who did that, while he wasn't.

[NC_Nurse]

3. Neither do I. So shoot me.

I can't believe anyone gives a flying fuck. :eyes:

[madrchsod]

4. i don`t....am i in trouble?

[soleft]

5. I couldn't believe it, a friend at work told me he was a muslim

My jaw went slack.

[HeraldSquare212]

6. I read he's actually put up clips on his website showing him with his hand on his heart during the

pledge, just to combat this.

[apnu]

7. Bullshit! Show them this video!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=svo9mutE6TM

[seabeyond]

32. used pictures below, your site, and snopes all on one paper kids

kids in both schools are taking them to show the kids that are wrong. appreciate

[Lone_Star_Dem]

8. RW email BS

Here's the snopes on it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

[tekisui]

9. There is one picture of Obama with Richardson and Hillary.

Richardson and Hillary have their hand on their heart. Obama's hands are to his side. It's not even clear what was being played. They were not reciting the pledge. It may have been the National Anthem or God Bless America.

It's garbage. Spread by RWers.

[Beausoir]

10. If he makes it to the GE, there will be plenty more of this.

[JimGinPA]

11. It's From An Email Smear Campaign nt

[msongs]

12. who says the pledge anyway? it's religious idolatry. creds to obama if he doesnt nt

[Bucky]

16. cute

Obama says the pledge. I say the pledge. Please tell me of any large organization or culture that doesn't have its rituals.

[ngant17]

33. The Pledge of Allegiance was originally from a Christian socialist

and he is expressing the ideas of his cousin who wrote "Looking Backward" and "Equality".

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm
In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

[ellacott]

13. Give him this

http://phrequency.squarespace.com/network/2008/1/9/obama-rumors-exposed.html

[seabeyond]

23. told son. he actually got his heart. other dude missed it, must not be american

thanks

[Bucky]

14. I heard that one of my fellow social studies teachers was telling her kids that

She's getting a polite, but direct note from me.

[FrenchieCat]

15. You mean this?

[seabeyond]

17. got it guys. thanks.... n/t

[phantom power]

sounds like this year's version...

of that fucking stupid viral email about how soldiers wouldn't salute Clinton. Whatever.

[Adelante]

18. Here is a good link

Political Smears and the Internet
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/401/political-smears.html

[seabeyond]

31. thanks, saving this

[keep_it_real]

41. Here's the link to the photo

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035,00.html

[blogslut]

19. Make sure they're corrected

I liked what Stve Croft said to the man in Ohio:

"You know that's not true, right?"

[seabeyond]

34. have the pictures from above, snopes and the video address all on one paper

for kids to take to school tomorrow

[lapfog_1]

20. don't get out much???

Here...




Of course, it wasn't the pledge, it was the national anthemn... and one isn't supposed to have have ones hand over their heart for that.

And he wasn't wearing a flag lapel pin either!

[woolldog]

21. Pass these videos/links on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6bKaVW-ls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvil4LLcpnc&feature=related

[Qutzupalotl]

28. ^^ MUST SEE ^^

[Bluerthanblue]

22. It might be interesting to know why people really think this means

anything important.

Bush plays all the media games- wears all the costumes- pretends to be mr.Patriot himself- yet, have his actions shown this to be true?

Remember the picture of Laura and him standing on the flag while saluting?


Bush wore the air national guard uniform- He 'looked' the part- but he went AWOL- What matters? Looks? or Actions?


peace~

[Kutjara]

24. As other posters have said...

...the photo in question is from a performance of the National Anthem, not from a recitation of our homespun version of "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer."

Anyway, isn't it about time we did away with that silly Pledge? It's bad enough making kids swear corny loyalty oaths every morning just so they can go to school, but when adults have to regularly place their hands on their hearts and dedicate themselves to the national flag, lest they be regarded as Unamerican, well, it all seems a little too close to fascism for my liking. Especially when just about every word in it has been turned into a lie.

[Ian David]

25. According to one email I got, he also doesn't shake after he pees. n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

36. Well, that's another mouthful of soda I'll have to clean off the keyboard.

:rofl:

--p!

[seabeyond]

38. i thought it was cute too.

[Green Mountain Dem]

43. That's because.....

he doesn't pee that often. He gets a very rare French wine which is made from a special grape which helps him not to have to go so often.
It's a PeeNo More and it is very expensive.

I heard it on the grapevine...just sayin!

[Omega3]

47. well, that's unfortunate for limo drivers in Chicago!!!!

[Kokonoe]

26. He just doesn't want to cover up his flag pin.

[keep_it_real]

27. The picture shows

Clinton and Huckibee (sp) with hands over heart while they are playing the National Anthem, while Obama has his hands in front of him. It is not required to cover your heart at the National Anthem. It is a very mis-leading photo if you don't know they are playing the National Anthem.

[Gore1FL]

30. The silly part is

none are facing the flag.

[Harry Monroe]

29. So what!!!

I put my hand down my pants while pledging because I am so excited about the pledge and want to show my patriotism!!!:sarcasm:

[seabeyond]

37. so what? it is a lie. i want these children to see ANOTHER lie by their republicans

they have seen so many in this area. the children at the schools are talking more about democrats positively than ever before. this is another lie and i want them to see it for what it is. and because my son spend a lot of time on this issue and so many other social issues we want the facts and he wants to be informed.

[Harry Monroe]

44. Exactly. It IS a lie.

And those who believe it won't be voting for Obama anyway. Some of the idiots out there voting are dumb as rocks; witness the 19% who still think Bush is doing a good job. There will always be a certain percentage who you will NEVER convince otherwise. And trying to smear Obama for his lack of patriotism for not reflexively doing robotic symbolic things such as the hand over the heart or not wearing a flag pin is total bullshit. I agree with you there. True patriots love this country enough that they will speak out when they see things wrong with this country and try to work to correct the injustices. My above post was meant to be sarcastic. Sorry you missed it.

BTW, I also think Obama should get a flag tattooed on his ass so he can tell all those idiots to kiss his ass; they can show their patriotism and honor the flag at the same time!!!

:spray:

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. I saw him put his hand on his heart and say the pledge

when he was here about a month ago. He laughed and demonstrated that he does indeed say the pledge. I would imagine there are plenty of videos online of him doing this.

[onenote]

39. I heard he doesn't put the toilet seat down after peeing.

Of course, I've heard that HRC pees standing up.

Go figure. There's a lot of bullshit out there. No matter who our candidate is we will have to work hard to fight it.

[Harry Monroe]

45. And THAT one is probably true!!!

I'm sure Michelle is pretty ticked about that. (the toilet seat thing) I know my wife is!!!

About Hillary peeing standing up, I've got no comment there, except to say that's probably bullshit!!

[gravity]

40. Those attacks are silly

They will only work on people who wouldn't even dream of considering him in the first place

It is the equivalent of saying Dems will ban the Bible.

[woolldog]

42. I guess you didn't watch 60 minutes this week?

It matters. Don't kid yourself. This garbage needs to be cleared up aggressively prior to the GE.

[Acadia Blue]

46. the repubs are into that and the lapel pin thing

[nonconformist]

48. If we learned anything from the swiftboat smears, something doesn't have to be true to stick.

And this is complete horseshit, and I say that as a Clinton supporter.

But it's out there, it's been making the email rounds for months now. And even though it's complete crap and easily debunked, it's already working. Expect more of these types of attacks if he gets the nomination.