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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:15 PM
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HRC won't raise cap on SS. Obama will!!
I'd like to keep as much as possible of my earned income. No cap for me Mr. Obama. Hands off.

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WATERLOO, Iowa - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton marked Veterans Day by calling for new assistance programs, but said she would move more carefully than her rivals on dealing with looming shortfalls facing the Social Security system.

Her move came as rival Barack Obama said he would lift the income ceiling on the Social Security tax. Currently, only the first $97,500 of a person's annual income is taxed; the cap is scheduled to rise to $102,000 next year.

"I know it may sound good at first blush," said Clinton. "If you look at all the complexities of this, I think it's much smarter to say: Look, we're going to deal with the challenges by fiscal responsibility and we're going to use a bipartisan commission. And we're not going to do it by further burdening middle-class families

In an interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," Obama said increasing the income ceiling would allow relatively well-off taxpayers such as himself to pay a little more to rescue the system. Clinton rejected that argument.

"If you lift the cap completely that would be a $1 trillion tax increase," Clinton told reporters after a Veterans Day event.

Clinton said she would initially end the practice of borrowing from the Social Security trust fund. She said more responsible fiscal practices could bolster the economy, which would in turn make the fund more healthy.

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:16 PM
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1. K&R! Go Hillary!
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:26 PM
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15. I'm totally for raising the cap - I don't even know if there should be a cap at all.
Make them quazillionares pay!
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:28 PM
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17. Dupe. Delete.
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 07:28 PM by jlake
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:28 PM
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18. I could get behind that - but Obama's plan does not lift it completely -- only
tax the upper middle class more.
There should be a donut hole so that the uber wealthy pay their share, but the middle class is not gouged.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:32 PM
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27. $102K for a single earner is "middle class"?
man, I would love to have lived the kind of life that would let me see it that way.
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:17 PM
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2. Technically Obama can't raise the cap on SS
Only congress can.

But you know that.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:17 PM
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3. I support raising the cap. n/t
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:18 PM
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5. Me too.
That's the best way to keep it solvent IMO. That and getting out of Iraq.
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progdog Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:23 PM
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12. I agree
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:18 PM
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4. Good for him - it is a horribly regressive tax.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:19 PM
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6. I've gone over the cap many times in thelast 10 years and lemme tell ya --
it doesn't hurt. At all. It was, like 700 per month I would have LIKED to had during Oct-Dec, after I'd passed the cap, but if ya can't get by on 120K or so a year, you have issues.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:19 PM
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7. I am in favor of raising the cap but I don't make more than 100,000
However, even if I did I'm in favor of protecting social security particularly for those who need it most
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:24 PM
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14. I think it's already over that,
102,000 for 2008.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:20 PM
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8. $102,000 for one wage earner?
$204,000 for combined husband/wife is middle class?
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:21 PM
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9. I'm an Econ major, and I support lifting the cap, but,
with the bubble exception for those earning between the current cap and $150,000.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:22 PM
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10. heaven forbid that people making over $100,000 a year pay taxes on it.
I support progressive tax policies.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:23 PM
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11. If you're making over $100k, you can afford to give a little more to the starving elderly.
Oh, wait. You were just trying to smear Obama as being a "tax and spend liberal." Nevermind.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:23 PM
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13. I'd like to keep as much of my income, too...
Except I make way less than the capped amount, so my whole meager salary takes the full hit.

If you'd like to switch places, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:26 PM
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16. You do realize the vast majority of us make less than the cap, right?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:30 PM
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19. What's wrong with getting rid of the cap?
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 07:35 PM by rocknation
As Obama pointed out to her during one of the debates, eliminating the cap would affect only an additional six percent of U.S. wage earners. More important, EVERYONE could pay a LOWER rate!

:bounce:
rocknation
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:31 PM
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20. Where in the world is $204,000 middle class?
Beverly Hills, maybe? Upstate New York? (No, scratch that, I know someone who lives there.) Rhode Isl...aha.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:32 PM
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21. how does raising the $102,000 cap per wage earner "further burden the middle-class" ?
in one respect, i do hope hillary is the next potus- seeing as how much i LOVE being able to say "i told you so"... and there are a LOT of clinton supporters who will get a rude awakening if/when the dlc candidate gets in.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:32 PM
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22. I presently exceed the cap...
...but not by much. I support lifting it. Why the hell is there a cap anyway? If you are claiming it is income, shouldn't it be taxed accordingly? Those making 100k plus annually usually have retirement plans and savings, those beneath often struggle to buy groceries. Bring some equity into the system.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:32 PM
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23. I support raising the cap. As did all Democrats, before HRC.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 07:33 PM
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24. You forget the AP reporter who heard her say a 'donut' might be a good idea.
that's one of Obama's possible courses of action. and, by the way - I'll pay more if it goes through, and am very happy to do so.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:29 PM
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25. I would like to see a different structure
Leave a cap in place, but open it back up to those making over 500,000 or maybe over 1million in salary. Maybe have a structure in place where a business wouldn't have to match on the higher amounts.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:31 PM
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26. We went over this in another thread: you're not remotely rich enough to be affected
We need to raise -- for that matter, eliminate -- the FICA cap. Yesterday.
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