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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:29 PM
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Poll question: Maybe Hillary does have more experience
but, let's say you're picking a new CEO for a company

Candidate A is relatively untested, young, idealistic and full of ideas

Candidate B is a former top executive of Enron

Which do you choose?


So the poll question is, true or false the person with the most Washington Experience would also be the person who has contributed the most to the current state of affairs - war, bankruptcy, unchecked scandal,
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:30 PM
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1. So Now enron Is Hillary's Fault? Did You Like path to 9-11?
Let me guess, you thought it had some merit.
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:32 PM
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2. No, that's what's called an analogy
having more experience doesn't necessarily make you more qualified.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:26 PM
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11. silliness. fake argument. no one said that. n/t
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:35 PM
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3. Hillary has experience riding Bill's coat tails while Bill was getting experience riding Monica. n/t
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 08:39 PM by invictus
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:51 PM
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4. Dull mind?
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:37 PM
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13. Try to debate issues without resorting to personal insults n/t
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 09:40 PM by invictus
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:55 PM
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5. I can't understand the question well enough to vote
Looks like a butterfly ballot to me!

:P
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 08:59 PM
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6. Sorry, but
your poll question is ridiculous, not to mention insulting.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:29 PM
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12. What does Enron have to do with this poll.? Candidate B is
the wife of a former US president.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:22 PM
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7. Even David Brooks, huge Clinton fan, agrees with your premise.
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 09:23 PM by AZBlue
Op-Ed Columnist
A Defining Moment

By DAVID BROOKS
Published: March 4, 2008

The Democratic presidential primary campaign began around Christmas 2006, and it may end Tuesday night. But of all the days between then and now, the most important was Nov. 10, 2007.

On that day, the Democratic Party of Iowa held its Jefferson-Jackson dinner and invited the candidates to speak. There were thousands of Democrats sitting around tables on the floor of the Veterans Memorial Auditorium in Des Moines, and rowdy thousands more up in the stands.

Hillary Clinton gave a rousing partisan speech. Standing on a stage in the middle of the arena with her arms spread and her voice rising, she welcomed the next president and declared: “We are here tonight to make sure that next president is a Democrat!”

She described how change was going to come about in this country: through fighting. She used the word “fight” or “fought” 15 times in one passage of the speech, fighting for health care, fighting for education and women’s rights. Then she vowed to “turn up the heat” on Republicans. “They deserve all the heat we can give them!” she roared.

(snip)

Clinton rode the passion of the crowd and delivered an energetic battle cry. And in many elections that sort of speech, delivered around the country, would clinch the nomination.

But this is a country in the midst of a crisis of authority, a country that has become disillusioned not only with one president, but with a whole system of politics. It’s a country that has lost faith not only with one institution, but with the entire set of leadership institutions. The cultural context, in other words, allowed for a much broader critique, a much more audacious vocabulary.

And Barack Obama leapt right in.

He spoke after 11 p.m. The crowd had been sitting for four hours. In the previous months, Obama had been criticized for being bland on the stump. But this night, he unleashed a zealous part of himself that has propelled his candidacy ever since.

His first big subject was belief itself. Instead of waging a partisan campaign as Clinton had just done, he vowed to address “not just Democrats, but Republicans and independents who’ve lost trust in their government but want to believe again.”

Then he made a broader attack on the political class, and without mentioning her, threw Clinton in with the decrepit old order. “The same old Washington textbook campaigns just won’t do,” he said, in a now familiar line. He said it was time to “finally tackle problems that George Bush made far worse but that had festered long before George Bush ever took office — the problems that we’ve talked about year after year after year.”

(snip)

Clinton had sounded like Old Politics, but Obama created a vision of New Politics. And the past several months have revolved around the choice he framed there that night. Some people are enthralled by the New Politics, and we see their vapors every day. Others think it is a mirage and a delusion. There’s only one politics, and, tragically, it’s the old kind, filled with conflict and bad choices.

Obama sketched out a different theory of social change than the one Clinton had implied earlier in the evening. Instead of relying on a president who fights for those who feel invisible, Obama, in the climactic passage of his speech, described how change bubbles from the bottom-up: “And because that somebody stood up, a few more stood up. And then a few thousand stood up. And then a few million stood up. And standing up, with courage and clear purpose, they somehow managed to change the world!”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/opinion/04brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:24 PM
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8. The wife of the former top executive of Enron
To make the analogy more realistic.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:24 PM
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9. Poll is confusing
Should give you a choice between candidate A or Candidate B
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:26 PM
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10. she only has 1 senate term more. and he had state senate, one term more than her....
how does that make her more experienced?
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:43 PM
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14. Hillary doesn't have more experience. She is using Bill's experience as her own and hoping ...
... that no one will notice.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:45 PM
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15. but people are going along with it as if she has been in politics longer than obama and
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 09:45 PM by seabeyond
it isnt factually correct.
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