Is it time for Obama to drop out for the good of the party?

[Seabiscuit]

Poll question: Is it time for Obama to drop out for the good of the party?

After suffering humiliating defeats to Hillary Clinton in Ohio and Rhode Island, and currently trailing Hillary by 23K+ votes in Texas, has the Obama bubble burst?

[jlake]

1. Yes, it is clear he can't compete in the big swing states that are needed in the GE.

[Seabiscuit]

4. As Hillary just noted, no President has ever been elected without winning Ohio

in the primaries.

[joshcryer]

6. Wow, damn. True?

[Seabiscuit]

12. I haven't researched it, but I don't think she would have included it in her Ohio victory speech

if it weren't true.

[John Q. Citizen]

76. It's another lie, or Hillary's just sloppy again. JFK won the

nomination without winning Ohio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1960#Democratic_Party_nomination

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

89. Thank you

For looking that up,

Your post is not getting nearly enough attention..!

[roguevalley]

113. three thumbs up for mccain and an ad that has been distorted in

color and facial features to make Obama more 'negroid' hardly makes her the one. that ad is on her website.

[Jed Dilligan]

102. There were four elections before there was an Ohio

so no, it's not literally true.

[Ka hrnt]

40. I believe so...

I remember in '04 (and '00?) them going on and on about it...and it is my home state.

[high density]

15. Well Obama can put that BS to rest in November NM

[Spider Jerusalem]

23. And the Red Sox couldn't win a World Series without Babe Ruth.

[Seabiscuit]

28. Not while he was alive, they couldn't. n/t

[Dob Bole]

48. No Democratic president has won the popular vote without Texas...

and that's clearly not going to be an option next time. Jimmy Carter was the last to do it.

[Seabiscuit]

54. Hillary's now winning Texas by over 51K votes.

[Seabiscuit]

70. Make that over 83K votes now.

[DuaneBidoux]

107. I may not be following you: Clinton never carried Texas and got both popular vote counts.

[Cant trust em]

32. The GE and the primary are very different beats. nt

[rjx]

34. I'm not worried

McCain is a different contest. And if Obama gets the nominee, he will really appeal to many republican voters by putting republicans in his cabinet. And most of the Hillary supporters would cast their vote for the democratic nominee. PLUS democratic voter turnout has been 50% more than the republican turnout.

[trueblue2007]

37. He called McClain already? That is STUPID and presumptuous.

[CalGator]

49. like Virginia, Colorado, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Washington, Missouri, Iowa, etc.? -nt

[mattclearing]

78. Cause Hillary has a shot in hell at winning Texas again? n/t

[muntrv]

2. Let's see the delegate count before swan diving to conclusions.

[Fran Kubelik]

3. No.

You aren't serious, are you?

[Seabiscuit]

73. No.

Just doin' a little payback.

[Umbram]

5. Humiliating is losing a 30 point lead to begin with. Nice try.

Keep the good spinning up.

[joshcryer]

11. Prove a 30 point lead in any credible poll 2 weeks out. She was never that high in credible polls.

TX didn't even begin polling until 2 weeks ago and she was *BEHIND*.

[anamandujano]

31. Every time they mention it, they add another 10 points or so.

[Tektonik]

55. What's humiliating was that he was even down by 30 in the first place

See we can both play this game.

[readmoreoften]

59. Don't bother. They'll just change the rules. /nt

[slick8790]

7. Let's take a look at post super tuesday records, eh?

Obama: 12-2
Hillary: 2-12


But clearly Ohio and Rhode Island are far more important.

[AZBlue]

8. Of course! The person with trailing big in delegates SHOULD drop out!

Oh wait...that's Clinton.

[readmoreoften]

9. No, but it's time his supporters got their arrogant asses humbled.

I hope their candidate goes on. I just wish they personally would STFU.

[Jamastiene]

14. ...

:yourock:

[Cant trust em]

38. Sounds about right. I support Obama but it got out of hand

11 victories in a row was great, but it don't mean shit until the end.

[Seabiscuit]

71. Bingo! That's the entire point of this silly poll.

To remind them that "what goes around comes around".

[skipos]

10. 1 question for you:

who has more delegates, more votes and more states?

[Jamastiene]

13. Thank you for this poll, Seabiscuit.

I voted yes just for some payback. :P

:popcorn:

[Seabiscuit]

17. You're welcome. That's the whole point of the poll:

to give the trampled upon a moment of payback.

[moobu2]

16. Obama needs to get on back to Chicago

Where he knows how to game the Chicago political system.

[high density]

20. Yeah he gamed all of those states he's won so far

Great argument there.

[Seabiscuit]

72. He could even run for the state legislature and make a career out of it!

[high density]

18. Humiliating defeats?

What about the Obama 11-0 run with the humiliating defeats that Clinton had?

[Yossariant]

19. Yes, he should drop out. His fans are very concerned that we have a nominee asap.

Obama needs to go now.

[GetTheRightVote]

21. What you do want half of this party to vote or what ?

I am not even voting if she is all there is on the ticket.
I can not stand her, she has lied, ugly, negative ads is her game.
She will make no changes in this existing system and the war will
continue as well as nafta and more jobs will be stolen from Americans
in their own homeland. This can not be accepted anymore or this recession
will only continue and grow to deeper depths.

[Seabiscuit]

82. Translation:

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Only If The US Should Have Surrendered To Germany & Japan In WWII

Note - the person winning is usually not the one that drops out.

[lastliberalintexas]

45. We didn't quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!

Sorry, I'm just spreading a little levity on this board tonight. :)

[backscatter712]

24. You want humiliating?

Just wait until November.

We couldn't unite tonight. The GOP did.

They're going to rip us to shreds while we continue in the circular firing squad.

Bend over and get ready for President McCain. You've earned it.

[Seabiscuit]

74. Translation:

[wisteria]

This whole post and poll is a joke isn't it? Clinton deludes herself if she thinks

winning a couple states after losing 11 in a row will gain her the nomination. The numbers don't add up unless you use fuzzy math.

[Seabiscuit]

75. Translation:

[stevietheman]

Hillary needed supermajority victories in 3 or 4 states tonight.

She didn't get these victories. She lost big.

There is no way she can catch up with Obama now.

[Dinger]

25. From A Strong Hillary Supporter, No.

I think I understand your sentiment, but let's be serious.

[Seabiscuit]

27. It's not a sentiment, really. Just payback.

A little rubbing it in for all the rubbing it in the Obama folks have been engaging in for the past 2 weeks.

[Seabiscuit]

26. As ugly as Obama supporters are when he's ahead, they're even uglier when he gets clobbered.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

29. Ain't that the truth! Sore Winners AND Sore Losers ...

... just no pleasin' some people!

[Mezzo]

30. Yes, Obama should drop out now.

sic

[Milo_Bloom]

33. After losing 20 point leads, Clinton should certainly drop out.

[Drifter]

35. Are you high ?

Every minute Hillary stays in the race, diminishes our chances of taking back the Whitehouse.

There isn't a single Republican that is going to cross the isle to vote for Hillary over McCain, and if you think we are going to win without that, you are living in a fairy tale.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have been officially hoodwinked, and Rush Limptard is going to take credit for it.

Cheers
Drifter

[Seabiscuit]

50. No, and I'll never touch what you've been smoking.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

36. Nah, Scorched earth works both ways...I'm looking forward to seeing

the Hillary having to explain her dirty laundry....

[TheZug]

39. Maybe I'll drop out of the party with him.

Along with everyone else who can't bear to have Hillary Clinton as our standard bearer.

[Seabiscuit]

42. Geez ... you're weak. The right response is we will stand together no matter what.

Should Hillary be nominee you know that Obama will stand with her to defeat the Republicans. The same would go for Hillary should Obama be the nominee. Stay strong.

[TheZug]

53. I would have gladly voted for any of the Democratic contenders.

But I don't know if I can vote for her. It pains me. I'll go into that booth and vote down the line for the Democrats. But if she's at the top of that ticket I may just leave it blank. Call me an asshole. Whatever. I can take it. But I don't think I can vote for her.

[Seabiscuit]

60. "Call me an asshole"?

O.K. :hi:

Seriously, keep your mind open because what you may feel now may not be the way you feel in the GE. I am an Edwards supporter, but I have decided I will vote for either Hillary or Barack in the GE (whoever the nominee may be) because we would be seriously fucked with another Republican administration.

[Invidious]

43. Yup...

If Hilly is really the BEST we can do..I weep for the party. She will get SLAUGHTERED in the GE..you just don't win with 50+% negative ratings.

[Seabiscuit]

46. Hmmm...

Did you get lost on your way to Freeperville, or are you just having another bad day?

[Invidious]

52. ahh..So I'm a Freeper now

Because I point out facts. Thanks for that..makes it that much easier to join the MAJORITY of Americans that don't like HRC or her followers. :-)

[Seabiscuit]

62. "facts"? "Facts"?? "FACTS"???

OMFG!

:rofl:

[Invidious]

77. Go look up her unfavorables sometime. kthx :-)

[satireV]

106. You're a Freeper

because you repeat Freeper spew.

and you mean it.

[ericgtr]

41. How many losses in a row is that now for Obama?

After suffering 12 humiliating defeats to Obama Hillary doesn't drop!

[Dob Bole]

44. Yes, he should quit while Clinton has only one possible state left that she could win.

Fat chance of that. See you in Wyoming and Mississippi, biotches!

[Seabiscuit]

47. UPDATE: HILLARY NOW UP BY OVER 51K VOTES IN TEXAS!

Tweety must be crapping his pants by now.

[Thepricebreaker]

51. UPDATE: Hillary gains a crappy 20 delegats total if she runs the table.. still down 150...

[ronnykmarshall]

56. LOL!!

Good for you.

Piss 'em off!

[Seabiscuit]

61. After how many dozen or 100's of threads demanding Hillary drop out, it's pretty funny

to watch so many heads exploding after just one payback poll, isn't it?

[Bitwit1234]

57. He only really won the caucus states and some piddling ones

and we see tonight what they are trying to do in Texas the same things they did in the other states. Distributing cards and signing people out who haven't even attended. Slipping in cards to give Hillary's opponent the rock star.... controllers of the caucus....that's the kind of sneaky stuff they have done all along. TONIGHT IT WAS MADE PUBLIC THE CROOKED STUFF THEY HAVE BEEN DOING.

They were cited in Ohio for having gangs approaching voters and challenging their right to vote. The election committee from Ohio rebuked them on record.

[LittleClarkie]

58. That was stupid when people said it about Hillary before TX and OH

and it's still stupid when you say it about a man who is STILL ahead in delegates.

[robbedvoter]

63. Gander, meet goose - and no, no one should drop before primary is over

[zaj]

64. 2 different questions... Which one do you want answered in this poll?

[Seabiscuit]

66. You get to choose.

It's not a serious poll. Just a little payback for all the tons of threads over the past few weeks demanding that Hillary drop out by a slew of overly cocky Obama supporters.

[Seabiscuit]

65. Breaking News: HILLARY TAKES TEXAS!

MSNBC just declared Hillary the winner in Texas with 75% of the vote in: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

On edit: She's ahead by about 83K votes now with 77% of the vote in.

[trynotto_giveuphope]

67. Gee? Who's Voting Yes and Who's Voting No?

Guess we know why we're getting all these big state split decisions.

[ConcernedCanuk]

68. As of this post Obama is still ahead by 89 delegates - no time to quit

.
.
.

From CBS


Current Delegate Count:

OBAMA 1,464

CLINTON 1,375

http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/index.shtml

[TacticalPeek]

69. K&R

:kick:

[Meshuga]

79. Humiliating defeat?

Explain that.

[Seabiscuit]

81. Allrightyreedy...

All the TV pundits and all the Obama people on DU were predicting whopping victories for Obama in all four states. Even Bill Clinton was saying she needed to win Texas and Ohio to stay in the race. Right here on DU people were calling for Hillary to pack her bags and go home and not even bother with Tuesday's election.

They all said Obama's momentum was unstoppable, his victory inexorable, his coronation imminent.

The name Hillary Clinton was becoming synonymous with the words "drop out".

If that's what everyone was expecting, I'd say it's pretty damned humiliating for them to see him lose Rhode Island by 18%, Ohio by 10% and even Texas(!!!) by 4%. Everyone but Clinton conceded Obama had Texas in the bag.

IOW, Clinton is alive, happy and kicking, and it is she who now has the momentum, while Obama's mojo is sputtering. The events of the past week undoubtedly had much to do with it. Blame it on his interview about Rezko. Blame it on his "wink, wink" with Canada over NAFTA. Blame it on his performance in the debates. Blame it on Hillary's 3 a.m. ad. Blame it on SNL and The Daily Show. But blame it on someone or something, so the Obamanoids have something to curse if they no longer have something to swoon over and get all arrogant about.

[Perky]

83. I do not know of a single pundit who predicted a whopping victory

for Obama in any place other than Vermont.

[Seabiscuit]

84. Tweety's been telling Hillary to pack her bags for weeks now.

ALL the bobbleheads on CNN and MSNBC was talking about her "dropping out" and predicting she'd lose all four states, and Texas by a big margin, and that even if she eked out a narrow victory in Ohio, her goose was cooked.

And right here on DU, not a day went by without some Obamanoid starting a thread about her dropping out before Tuesday for the good of the party, and predicting that Tuesday would be her Waterloo.

NOT ONE MSM bobblehead even remotely considered the possibility that Hillary would win Texas.

[Perky]

90. That is not what you said before. You used the word "landslide"

[Seabiscuit]

95. I did? I can't find a post of mine with the word "landslide" in it. The worst hyperbole

I could locate was "whopping victory". Meaning, to me, that if Obama won all 4 states, or even 3 out of four, even by thin margins, it would be a "whopping victory" because it would be enough for the MSM pundits to declare that her campaign was now dead meat, and we'd see several dozen threads a day right here in this forum calling for Hillary to drop out.

Apparently you interpreted the words "whopping victory" as "landslide" (as if she won all 4 states by huge margins, which, of course, she didn't).

OTOH, I found one Obama poster here today who claimed that all Hillary got last night was a "statistical tie". Now that doesn't even qualify as hyperbole. It's like calling a hurricane a cloudy day.

[Baclava]

112. Everything you say is true.

These "drop-out" flame threads were started by the Obamabots and now it's backfiring in their faces.

How humiliating.

[Meshuga]

85. I agree that she is alive, happy and kicking

But I still fail to see how this defeat was humiliating. It was pretty close and it doesn't close the delegate count by very much. At least that is my perception. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a big, if not huge, win for Hillary since it keeps her alive and kicking but not a reason to say it was humiliating to Obama.

[Shakespeare]

93. You are incorrect. They were NOT predicting big Obama victories.

In fact, the results went pretty much in line with what they were predicting, which was a Clinton win in Ohio and Rhode Island, a close race in Texas, and an Obama win in Vermont. Her net delegate gain is in the single digits, which does her no good at all.

Considering how much ground Clinton LOST over the last few weeks, I'd be a little hesitant if I were you to crow about huge victories. Was it a relief for her to win? Of course. But not a surprise, and not a coup.

She's still behind in delegates, and the math doesn't show any possibility of her gaining the lead. It may or may not mean a brokered convention, but she's still behind, and will likely stay behind.

**My usual disclaimer: I'm neither a Hillary nor an Obama supporter, but will vote for the eventual nominee.

[Seabiscuit]

96. Only on the day before the primaries did the MSM tone down its anti-Hillary

rhetoric and cite some polls showing tight races. Up until then they were trumpeting major victories for Obama, and predicting Hillary's demise.

[Shakespeare]

99. Simply not true.

There was speculation whether Obama would take Texas (and it looks as if he will once the caucus has concluded), but they ALL followed the polls that showed Hillary leading in 3 of 4 states.

[redqueen]

92. BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!

I missed that... just voted and then stated how frickin silly the notion of him dropping out is... aahaahahaha I missed the "humiliating defeat" part.

OMG... that is priceless.

Obama's campaign predicted she'd win those states... I love how this is being spun as some kind of huge shock... or even a setback...

:rofl:

[VolcanoJen]

80. Humiliating?

You're an ass.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. You Have Brass Ones

I apologize in advance if anybody thinks that's sexist...

[book_worm]

87. Umm who has lost 12 of the last 15 races? and it will be 14/17 by this time next week

[Seabiscuit]

97. Translation:

[Shakespeare]

103. That's not whining.

And I'm curious why you think it is. Obama has won more states and leads in the delegate count. Pointing that out in response to your absurd suggestion that he drop out of the race is just a bracing reality check for you.

[Seabiscuit]

104. Can't take a joke, can you?

Waaaaaaaaaaaah!

[Shakespeare]

105. Oh, but you haven't said it's a joke.

And based on your other posts, it seems pretty evident it's not a joke. It was an attempt to rile up Obama supporters with an utterly absurd suggestion.

Oh, and I'm not an Obama supporter, btw. Just a stickler for keeping things in a reality-based world.

[Seabiscuit]

114. What is it about the word "silly" don't you understand?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4893098&mesg_id=4896807

[Alter Ego]

88. Fuck no.

You people keep thinking that the GE and primaries are the same animal--when in fact they really aren't. By this logic, I could say that since Kerry won so many states in the '04 primaries he should be President.

[redqueen]

91. I can't even believe this is being asked... Hill's win in TX was predicted months ago.

He's still ahead. He's still not crawling in the sewer in a desperate attempt to stay even SLIGHTLY relevant.

So... um... no, he shouldn't.

[CitizenRob]

94. How is this in ANYWAY a reasonable questoin? He is ahead in the del count.

Hillary supporters get more and more ridiculous with their word twisting. You represent her really poorly. Make your arguments for why she should stay in the race and still win, not why the current leader should drop out just because it would make it easier for your 2nd place candidate to suddenly be in first place.

[VotesForWomen]

98. i believe some fissures are appearing in the bubble. nt

[amborin]

100. given yesterday's humiliating defeats, Obama should drop out of the race

it's destroying dem chances to remain in the race any longer

Hillary has won crucial states that are determinative of GE possibilities

Obama can be Hillary's VP and run in 2016

[Raine]

111. Why? Clinton didn't drop out after 11 humiliating

defeats so why should Obama when he as more delegates.

[Johnny Potpie]

101. Are you joking?

It's quite obvious that more people are onboard with Obama. Hillary cannot catch up mathematically and offers nothing much different than the GOP on alot of issues. She has her goals for National Healthcare, but Obama does too. She is also on record for supporting this war!! The real question is, should Hillary leave the race for the good and unity of the Democratic Party? I say, yes!

[Seabiscuit]

116. See post #71.

[Vinca]

108. Why would the person who is winning drop out?? Odd question. nt

[DuaneBidoux]

109. Clinton is the one with the nearly insurmountable task of taking delegate lead.

It would take a miracle of epic proportions (not to say she can't under any circumstances do it) to take the lead in delegates even up to the convention and it looks like he will end up with more delegates from yesterday's results than she won. Of course there are always the superdelegates who can make up their own mind independently and that could end up making it even more interesting than it already is.

If anyone should drop out for "the good of the party" it should be Clinton.

(but I'm not saying anyone should drop out for the good of the party)

[Seabiscuit]

119. All that matters right now for Clinton is that she performs well enough to stay

competitive. Then it's up to the Superdelegates (regardless of the DNC's ultimate decision w/r/t Michigan and Florida) and who knows, by Convention time, Edwards may even be a factor. Neither candidate can reach the number of pledged delegates needed to clinch the nomination between now and then, and delegate totals will then become irrelevant, according to the rules until the Superdelegates make their final decisions.

Like it or not, that's how it works. Clinton doesn't need any "delegate lead" to win.

[Raine]

110. LOL

enough with the jokes :rofl:

Of course not. :-)

[walldude]

115. Judging from the votes I'd say not

but fuck the majority right?

Nothing like a "humiliating defeat" while retaining the lead to burst someones bubble. :rofl:

[superkia]

117. As long as he doesnt try to make the republican candidate look...

better than his opponent, he should stay in. If he starts trying to destroy the Democratic party while boosting the republican candidate, he should step down.

[walldude]

118. Kick...