Obama supporters- RELAX. He WILL be the nominee, no question.

[adoraz]

Let me start by saying Hillary did great tonight. Congrats to Hillary and her fans.

BUT, at the same time she did poorly. Most likely, neither will gain any delegates today. That should not be acceptable for Hillary on a day she needed to win so much.


Obama supporters, make no mistake, the next day or so will be tough. Hillary supporters will go crazy. The press will make it into a big deal, etc.


I think what we are worried about is her picking up momentum.

Well heres the thing, it won't matter.

I would be shocked if Wyoming or Mississippi results were effected significantly by this, and those are the next 2 contests. Wyoming is a caucus, all about organization. In South Carolina, Obama being down after 2 contests only caused more blacks to go for him. Those races won't be affected.

Then there will be a long 1.5 month wait for PA. By that point, Obama would have won 2 in a row most likely (1 in a row at worst), and I don't think Hillary's winnings tonight will be a factor.


I know, it sucks. I wanted tonight to be a knockout. Point is, she probably would have stayed in no matter what. We need to get over it and just move on.

Just relax guys and get through the next day or so. Hopefully there will be some endorsements and some more wins coming up. :)


Really, if the delegates were split and she claims a moral victory, the only thing we have to worry about is momentum, and tonight shouldn't be a factor for the upcoming contests.


If Obama wins Wyoming and Mississippi by decent margins, and splits the delegates today, I can guarantee you that Clinton would be pressured heavily into leaving leading up to PA.

[rosetta627]

1. UR right

Good analysis.

[Nitrogenica]

2. It's about delegates.

[mzmolly]

35. Exactly. DELEGATES will decide this election.

DELEGATES. And I expect Obama will still lead in that area at the end of the day/night/week.

[saracat]

3. I really don't see Obama winning either Mississippi OR Wyoming now but hey whatever.

but ain't nobody ready for a coronation on either side and this is a GOOD thing. This is a Democracy.

[truebrit71]

8. Those two are almost locks for Obama...

...

[IDemo]

26. The entire Northwest is Obama's

Idaho had the largest percentage win so far at 79%. He won Washington state with 68%. He will win Montana, Wyoming, and Oregon with no difficulty.

[thewiseguy]

32. If Obama can not win Mississipi then I will streak naked

[davidinalameda]

34. do we want to see you streak naked?

just curious

:bounce:

[thewiseguy]

36. Thats for Mississipi voters to decide!

[davidinalameda]

38. LOL

posts like these are worthless without pictures!

[southern_dem]

44. No offense

but as a Mississippi voter I'll do my part to make sure you don't have to. :P

[ButterflyBlood]

4. That's what I've been saying all night

Hillary can't spin the delegate math.

[sjdnb]

5. Never underestimate the intelligence of the

American people ... you do so at your own peril. While you may consider us un-educated, we are not stupid.

We don't buy spin, we don't like hype for hype's sake, and we are smart enough to dig for the truth underneath the crap handed to us by the media and celebrities.

[skooooo]

6. riiiiigght.....

uh huh. we've never bought the spin.

:eyes:

lol

[sjdnb]

10. Gore won in 2000, Kerry won in 2004 -- only

political/judicial incompetence allowed Bush to take/remain in office .. are you blaming us for that?

[skooooo]

11. not talking about that in particular...

we bought the war hook line and sinker (except obama).

and yes, i blame the american people for bush. who else should be blamed????

[sjdnb]

14. Well, as a Gore campaign chair for my district, I'd have to blame

the FL Election Commission (aka K Harris et al) and the Supreme Court .. seeing as AG won the popular vote, convincingly.

[truedelphi]

28. A judicial coup that handed the Presidency to Bush

Not the intention of the voters at all.

[skooooo]

30. it shouldn't have even been close

[nonconformist]

25. Maybe falling for that spin taught some people to look at things more critically, no? nt

[thereismore]

22. Uhm. Yeah, and Bush* never won about 50% of the popular vote... yeah, Americans are smart. nt

[Tarc]

7. Yep, pass around the kool-aid, y'all need a refresher

So much for "the winning streak", eh? :rofl:

[adoraz]

13. why be an ass? shouldn't you be happy?

if you are so happy about your candidates' position in winning the election, why troll this thread?

just go elsewhere and celebrate. this thread isn't for Hillary supporters, but I even congratulated her at the beginning and said she did very well tonight (in a spin sense).

[Indenturedebtor]

15. Oh?

And what if she loses TX? The cities aren't in yet and if the title of "winning" matters regardless of delegates what then?

I recall her saying (back when she was up in teh polls by almost a 30 point margin) that "Oh and TX are my firewalls, we need to win big there". Hmmmmm ;)

[skooooo]

count the delegates..

and then talk to me about koolaid!

:-)

[Maat]

9. I agree.

Obama needs to call attention to their differences - emphatically - during the next few days, including the fact that she seems to have forgotten that preemptive wars are illegal and immoral, as is voting for resolutions that enable them.

[mmonk]

12. I know.

I'm more worried about a damaged party in November. I will start looking to Canada for my boys if McCain should win. That will present a hardship on my kids and my family.

[lligrd]

16. It Is Not Her Winning Tonight That Bothers Me

It is the way she did it. I'd have no problem voting for Hillary in November if she won fairly (despite her IWR and other votes) but I sure the hell won't vote for her if she wins using these despicable tactics.

[RememberWellstone]

17. Florida and Michigan

You left out 2 and when the big Mo happens it is hard to stop.

[AZBlue]

18. K/R

You've elegantly said what I'm too tired to try to say. As a matter of fact, I'm going to bed. 'Nite all!

[rug]

19. I doubt a loss in Wyoming will stop her from collecting all those votes and delegates in PA.

[adoraz]

23. but consider this

there is a 1.5 month period between MS and PA. 1 and a half months. the polls will constantly be changing then. that period is so long that really anything could happen.

especially if the delegate math favors Obama, people WILL be calling for her to drop out.

tonight was exciting for her, but lets see how well that holds up when people realize she really gained nothing.

[rug]

29. People clamoring for her to drop out smacks of desperation. And it's bad PR.

I think the long campaign in PA will be good all around because it should substantively address the economic and domestic issues which have been gutted by Bush's war. At the end the Democratic contrast to McCain will be stark.

[MaraJade]

37. Pennsylvania (my home state) is solid Hillary country. . .

No way will it every go for Obama. He's already lost here. Too many wise old
older folks. . .

[meow mix]

20. we'll take it. its ours.

[Scurrilous]

21. K & R

:thumbsup:

[jasmine621]

24. Never count hillary out until she says "I quit!".

She can lose MS and WY and if she wins big in PA it will make a diff. The superdelagates will have to look at the popular vote AND WHERE the candidate's wins came from. Hillary wins the big states that the Dems need to win the GE, Obama wins where the Repukes will wipe Dem butts. Super delegates should not be foolish and they should not be afraid. The ones who have jumped ship and switched to Obama from Hillary may have done themselves and the voters a disservice. Dodd, for instance, quit his own race early and then jumped on the Obama bandwagon. I believe he was foolish in both instances. The mob mentality is dangerous and the hype is an opiate. Hillary really stands the best chance of beating McCain in Nov despite what the haters keep trying to spin. She can go toe to toe on Iraq and beath the shit out of him on what to do now to get the troops home. He is totally lost when it comes to the economy and Obama identifies with the elites too much to satisfy the working men and women. If Hillary can pull out wins in W.VA and PA, it's a different ball game. Super delgates are not obligated to go with the person with the delegate lead nor should they. I think the geography and the popular vote numbers should mean much more.

[adoraz]

27. I said it before but I will say it again

there is no way in hell that the Supers will overturn the pledged. UNLESS it was close (which it isn't, its a 160 difference), then under circumstances you listed they might.

MS will likely cancel out any lead for her in PA anyways.

[MaraJade]

31. And the Hillary supporters will leave the dem party. . .

Hope you will feel this happy with McCain as POTUS. . .

[MaraJade]

33. Your ARROGANCE and disregard for Hillary supporters

will sink the entire Dem party. Just wait.

Just because Obama gets the primary nod does not mean by any stretch of your little imagination that
he will win the presidency. You have angered millions of people who support Hillary and disregarded
their concerns. They don't buy the pie-in-the-sky and they will take revenge in November.

[PITBOS]

45. and HRC always ranks the highest for total dislike in any poll

[Corkey Mineola]

39. A ROUND OF KOOL AID For EVERONE!!!! N/T

[depakid]

40. "no question." Actually, there are a lot of questions

#1 being -who's supporters are willing to fight against those who've proven time and again to be the real enemies... and not pander to them in vain hopes of "converting 25+ years of propaganda?

[Johonny]

41. Can't relax

The win tonight hurt Obama. It showed negative campaigns work against him. If the GE comes down to made up senarios and fear then the GE is going to be one huge turn off.

[melody]

42. Not nearly early enough -- we'll have no single nominee and we'll lose now

I have zero hope.

[ficus1]

43. McCain won the election tonight

With Hillary winning the popular vote in Ohio/Texas this will now go all the way until the convention. Too many supporters of each candidate will either sit out the election or vote for McCain, because, no matter how this ends, one side will feel cheated. Tightly contested presidential primaries always result in general election losses. 1968, Humphrey/McGovern, Reagan/Ford, Kennedy/Carter, Mondale/Hart.

[writes3000]

46. I'm really afraid you're right.

Because I gotta tell you, after the last five days, I can't say I feel like voting for Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying I won't. But I'm so disgusted watching a Dem attack another Dem this way - I really don't want to condone it.